The Greatest Historical Figure Ever/Up To This Point!

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    In the annals of human history, billions of human beings have walked on this planet. Yet, in the sands of time, which of us has become the most admired, the nicest, most important, most successful, or all around greatest person ever born? Well, we can’t really determine this. However, a group of people on an internet forum, with no official credentials will try. This is a contest for The Greatest Historical Figure Ever!

    Rules

    • I’m mainly following the Cartoon’s example of running a greatest thread.
    • I’m placing the Wikipedia article under each person so that no one is voted out for being obscure.
    • Please treat all historical personages who were not psychotic murderers with respect. Most military generals are not this.
    I also replaced Carlos Marcello with Frank Sinatra, so for all you Kennedy-conspiracy buffs, I apologize.

    ROUND 1

    1. Steve Ditko
    2. Paul McCartney
    3. Malcolm X
    4. Aristotle
    5. Michael Jordan
    6. Crazy Horse
    7. George S. Patton
    8. Karl Marx
    9. Epicurus
    10. Benjamin Franklin
    11. Walter Elias Disney
    12. Jesse James
    13. George Orson Welles
    14. Otto von Bismarck
    15. William Tyndale
    16. Cleopatra
    17. William Shakespeare
    18. Charles Darwin
    19. Douglas MacArthur
    20. Fritz Lang
    21. Arthur Wellesley
    22. Edgar Allen Poe
    23. Muhammad Ali
    24. Barnum Brown
    25. Roy E. Disney
    26. Herodotus
    27. Robert Kennedy
    28. Edgar P. Jacobs
    29. Kamehameha I of Hawaii
    30. Bill Finger
    31. E.T.A. Hoffmann
    32. Akira Ifukube
    33. Michel de Nostredame (Nostradamus)
    34. Paul Feval
    35. Elvis Presley
    36. Tenzing Norgay
    37. Noel Coward
    38. Hanna Barbera
    39. Pierre Elliot Trudeau
    40. Sun Tzu
    41. Hammurabi
    42. Vercingetorix
    43. Marc Anthony
    44. Zoroaster
    45. Andrew Lloyd Webber
    46. Christopher Columbus
    47. John Quincy Adams
    48. Edmund Hillary
    49. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
    50. Leonardo Da Vinci
    51. St. Nicholas of Myra
    52. Harry S. Truman
    53. Al Capone
    54. Boudica
    55. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson
    56. Hernan(do) Cortes
    57. Nelson Mandela
    58. St. George
    59. William "Buffalo Bill" Cody
    60. Imhotep
    61. Pope John Paul the II
    62. Michael Faraday
    63. George Washington
    64. Charles Dickens
    65. Abbott & Costello
    66. Bartholomew Roberts
    67. Robert H. Goddard
    68. Jim Carrey
    69. Cecil B. Demille
    70. Galileo Galilei
    71. Hannibal
    72. Joseph (of the coat of many colors)
    73. Pericles
    74. Benito Mussolini
    75. Alexandre Dumas
    76. John Wayne
    77. Horace
    78. Meiji
    79. Sophocles
    80. Duke of Marlborough
    81. William Blake
    82. Abram/Abraham
    83.Alexander Graham Bell
    84. Brigitte Bardot
    85. Jack Kirby
    86. Manfred von Richthofen (The Red Baron)
    87. Siddartha Gautma (Buddha)
    88. Socrates
    89. Marco Polo
    90. Charles Monroe Schulz
    91. Joshua Norton
    92. Marie Curie
    93. Catherine the Great
    94. Qin Shi Huang
    95. Humphrey Bogart
    96. George Lucas
    97. Richard James
    98. Mark Hamill
    99. Will Eisner
    100. George Harrison
    101. Mao Zedong
    102. Jean Lafitte
    103. Sitting Bull
    104. Edward Teach (Blackbeard)
    105. Jacob/Israel
    106. Josip Broz Tito
    107. Thomas Woodrow Wilson
    108. Ludwig Van Beethoven
    109. King David of Israel
    110. Casimir the Great
    111. Tutankhamun
    112. Alfred Hitchcock
    113. Harry Houdini
    114. Vladimir Lenin
    115. John Ford
    116. Mahatma Gandhi
    117. Akbar of India
    118. James Monroe
    119. Alexander the Great
    120. Sonni Ali
    121. Joan of Arc
    122. Mithridates the Great of Pontus
    123. Agatha Christie
    124. Jackie Kennedy
    125. Vincent van Gogh
    126. Kublai Khan
    127. Dom Pedro II
    128. Erwin Rommel
    129. Jim Bowie
    130. John Wycliffe
    131. Princess Diana
    132. Louis Pasteur
    133. Thutmose
    134. Mansa Musa
    135. George Armstrong Custer
    136. George Whitfield
    137. Abraham Lincoln
    138. Michel de Montaigne
    139. Charlie Chaplin
    140. Susan B. Anthony
    141. Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin
    142. Ronald Reagan
    143. Dr. Seuss
    144. Jerry Siegel
    145. Justinian I
    146. Bryan Talbot
    147. Jack Vance
    148. Virgil
    149. E.R. Eddison
    150. Issac Newton
    151. King Solomon
    152. Charlemagne
    153. Chiang Kai Shek
    154. Thomas Edison
    155. Gabriel Garcia Marquez
    156. Wilkie Collins
    157. Adam Worth
    158. Laurel & Hardy
    159. Constantine
    160. Adolf Hitler
    161. William, Prince of Orange
    162. Andrew Jackson
    163. Ramses II
    164. Charles de Gaulle
    165. Meriwether Lewis and William Clark
    166. Ayn Rand
    167. Ovid
    168. Marilyn Monroe
    169. Michael Jackson
    170. Simon Bolivar
    171. Xerxes I
    172. Louis XIV
    173. Thomas Jefferson
    174. Nikola Tesla
    175. Mustaka Kemal Atatürk
    176. Moses
    177. John Smith
    178. Martin Luther King Jr.
    179. Franklin D. Roosevelt
    180. Martin Luther
    181. Billy Joel
    182. William Wallace
    183. Suleiman the Great
    184. Roy O. Disney
    185. Queen Victoria
    186. Michael Crichton
    187. James Matthew Barrie
    188. Anne Hathaway
    189. Henry David Thoreau
    190. Herbert George Wells
    191. Dorothy Dunnett
    192. Michelangelo
    193. Shaka
    194. Fyodor Dostoyevsky
    195. Theodora
    196. Julius Caesar
    197. Maximilian Robespierre
    198. Jules Verne
    199. Lech Walesa
    200. Queen Elizabeth the I
    201. Phyllis Wheatley
    202. Hank Aaron
    203. Jonathan Edwards
    204. Joseph Stalin
    205. Ringo Starr
    206. Genghis Khan
    207. Cardinal Richelieu
    208. Theodore Roosevelt
    209. Chief Joseph
    210. D. W. Griffth
    211. Henry Ford
    212. Cincinnatus
    213. Cyrus the Great
    214. Che Guevara
    215. Moctezuma
    216. Bill Cosby
    217. Wild Bill Hickok
    218. Liluokalani of Hawaii
    219. James Madison
    220. James Dean
    221. John Adams
    222. Archibald Leach (Cary Grant)
    223. Nero of Rome
    224. Neil Armstrong
    225. Homer
    226. James Knox Polk
    227. Atilla the Hun
    228. Yeshua Bar Yosef (Jesus)
    229. Harun al-Rachid
    230. Harrison Ford
    231. Leonard Bernstein
    232. Mongkut
    233. John Pershing
    234.Lyman Frank Baum
    235. Mother Teresa
    236. Ernest Hemingway
    237. Babe Ruth
    238. Saladin
    239. David Crockett
    240. Sacajawea
    241. Steven Spielberg
    242. Fred "Tex" Avery
    243. Dwight David Eisenhower
    244. Elie Wiesel
    245. Liu Bei
    246. Confucius
    247. Ishiro Honda
    248. Plato
    249. Napoleon Bonaparte
    250. Ub Iwerks
    251. William Barret Travis
    252. King Arthur of Britan
    253. Jimmy Stewart
    254. Chuck Jones
    255. Joe Shuster
    256. Sigmund Freud
    257. Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
    258. Peter the Great
    259. John Milton
    260. Winston Churchill
    261. Tang Taizong
    262. Muhammad
    263. Albert Einstein
    264. Annie Oakley
    265. Audie Murphy
    266. Daniel Boone
    267. Nicolaus Copernicus
    268. John Calvin
    269. Osama Bin Laden
    270. Frank Sinatra
    271. Clark Ashton Smith
    272. Ulysses S. Grant
    273. F. Scott Fitzgerald
    274. Willy Mays
    275. Augustus Caesar
    276. Tom Stoppard
    277. Orville and Wilbur Wright
    278. Ho Chi Minh
    279. John F. Kennedy
    280. A. A. Milne
    281. Niccolò Machiavelli
    282. Bob Clampett
    283. Charles Lindbergh
    284. Amelia Earhart
    285. Francisco Franco
    286. Robert E. Lee
    287. Ted Kennedy
    288. Gideon Mantell
    289. Gilbert Keith Chesterton
    290. Anne Frank
    291. Mangas Coloradas
    292. Christopher Marlowe
    293. Zhuge Liang
    294. Jacques Cousteau
    295. John Lennon
    296. Bob Kane
    297. Saddam Hussein
    298. Stephen Sondheim
    299. Hadrian
    300. Cao Cao
    301. Stan Lee
    302.(pending)
    303.(pending)
    304.(pending)

    ROUND 2!

    1. Sophocles
    2. George S. Patton
    3. Cyrus the Great
    4. Louis XIV
    5. George Harrison
    6. Robert Kennedy
    7. Akira Ifukube
    8. Charles Monroe Schulz
    9. Harrison Ford
    10. Albert Einstein
    11. Vincent van Gogh
    12. Ulysses S. Grant
    13. Meriwether Lewis and William Clark
    14. Orville and Wilbur Wright
    15. Alfred Hitchcock
    16. Frank Sinatra
    17. Edward Teach (Blackbeard)
    18. Charlie Chaplin
    19. Muhammad Ali
    20. Sitting Bull
    21. Bob Kane
    22. John Adams
    23. Mark Hamill
    24. Hadrian
    25. Leonardo Da Vinci
    26. Muhammad
    27. Constantine
    28. Phyllis Wheatley
    29. John Pershing
    30. Abbott & Costello
    31. Jacob/Israel
    32. David Crockett
    33. Theodore Roosevelt
    34. Nicolaus Copernicus
    35. Andrew Lloyd Webber
    36. Alexander the Great
    37. Harun al-Rashid
    38. Roy O. Disney
    39. Siddartha Gautma (Buddha)
    40. George Lucas
    41. Ted Kennedy
    42. Leonard Bernstein
    43. Nelson Mandela
    44. Stan Lee
    45. Jim Bowie
    46. Billy Joel
    47. Zoroaster
    48. Thomas Edison
    49. Joan of Arc
    50. James Matthew Barrie
    51. Charlemagne
    52. Ronald Reagan
    53. Pierre Elliot Trudeau
    54. Confucius
    55. Benjamin Franklin
    56. William Shakespeare
    57. Issac Newton
    58. Queen Elizabeth the I
    59. Mother Teresa
    60. Charles de Gaulle
    61. George Orson Welles
    62. Jackie Kennedy
    63. Abraham Lincoln
    64. Boudica
    65. Neil Armstrong
    66. Louis Pasteur
    67. Catherine the Great
    68. L. Frank Baum
    69. Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
    70. Laurel & Hardy
    71. Dr. Seuss
    72. George Washington
    73. Steven Spielberg
    74. Martin Luther King Jr.
    75. Joe Shuster
    76. Simon Bolivar
    77. Jules Verne
    78. James Madison
    79. Malcolm X
    80. Plato
    81. Yeshua Bar Yosef (Jesus)
    82. Queen Victoria
    83. Marilyn Monroe
    84. Meiji
    85. Theodora
    86. Otto von Bismarck
    87. Chiang Kai Shek
    88. Wild Bill Hickok
    89. George Whitfield
    90. F. Scott Fitzgerald
    91. Crazy Horse
    92. Thomas Jefferson
    93. Julius Caesar
    94. Vladimir Lenin
    95. Ramses II
    96. Marco Polo
    97. Socrates
    98. Babe Ruth
    99. Che Guevara
    100. Michel de Nostredame (Nostradamus)
    101. Franklin D. Roosevelt
    102. Michelangelo
    103. Homer
    104. Elvis Presley
    105. Alexander Graham Bell
    106. Akbar of India
    107. William "Buffalo Bill" Cody
    108. Walter Elias Disney
    109. Moses
    110. Chuck Jones
    111. King Arthur of Britan
    112. Cincinnatus
    113. John Quincy Adams
    114. Audie Murphy
    115. John F. Kennedy
    116. Henry David Thoreau
    117. John Wayne
    118. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
    119. Ub Iwerks
    120. Aristotle
    121. Anne Frank
    122. Joseph (of the coat of many colors)
    123. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson
    124. Jonathan Edwards
    125. Chief Joseph
    126. Dwight David Eisenhower
    127. Herodotus
    128. Charles Dickens
    129. Galileo Galilei
    130. Bob Clampett
    131. Hammurabi
    132. Justinian I
    133. Virgil
    134. Edgar Allen Poe
    135. Winston Churchill
    136. Hanna Barbera
    137. Saddam Hussein
    138. King David of Israel
    139. Ludwig Van Beethoven
    140. Erwin Rommel
    141. Robert E. Lee
    142. Ovid
    143. Mahatma Gandhi
    144. Augustus Caesar
    145. Bill Finger
    146. Mangas Coloradas
    147. John Lennon
    148. Genghis Khan
    149. Abram/Abraham
    150. Bartholomew Roberts
    151. Charles Darwin
    152. Pericles

    Round 3




    1. James Matthew Barrie
    2. Crazy Horse
    3. George Lucas
    4. King David of Israel
    5. Nelson Mandela
    6. Mahatma Gandhi
    7. Sitting Bull
    8. Abram/Abraham
    9. Marilyn Monroe
    10. Martin Luther King Jr.
    11. Augustus Caesar
    12. Issac Newton
    13. Neil Armstrong
    14. James Madison
    15. Akbar of India
    16. Charlie Chaplin
    17. Cyrus the Great
    18. Billy Joel
    19. John Lennon
    20. Theodore Roosevelt
    21. Socrates
    22. Joan of Arc
    23. Alfred Hitchcock
    24. George Harrison
    25. Babe Ruth
    26. Thomas Edison
    27. John F. Kennedy
    28. Albert Einstein
    29. John Adams
    30. Yeshua Bar Yosef (Jesus)
    31. Mark Hamill
    32. Joseph (of the coat of many colors)
    33. Pericles
    34. Louis XIV
    35. David Crockett
    36. Franklin D. Roosevelt
    37. Galileo Galilei
    38. Muhammad
    39. Alexander the Great
    40. Charles Monroe Schulz
    41. Jacob/Israel
    42. Vladimir Lenin
    43. King Arthur of Britan
    44. Abraham Lincoln
    45. Jules Verne
    46. Leonardo Da Vinci
    47. Queen Elizabeth the I
    48. Ludwig Van Beethoven
    49. Edgar Allan Poe
    50. Winston Churchill
    51. Otto von Bismarck
    52. John Quincy Adams
    53. Steven Spielberg
    54. Louis Pasteur
    55. Chief Joseph
    56. Aristotle
    57. Walter Elias Disney
    58. Bob Clampett
    59. Homer
    60. George Orson Welles
    61. Moses
    62. Stan Lee
    63. Benjamin Franklin
    64. Siddartha Gautama (Buddha)
    65. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
    66. Thomas Jefferson
    67. Wild Bill Hickok
    68. Orville and Wilbur Wright
    69. Genghis Khan
    70. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson
    71. Julius Caesar
    72. William Shakespeare
    73. Vincent van Gogh
    74. George Washington
    75. Charles Dickens
    76. Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)

    ROUND 4!

    1. King David of Israel
    2. Stan Lee
    3. Mahatma Gandhi
    4. George Lucas
    5. John F. Kennedy
    6. Abraham Lincoln
    7. Queen Elizabeth the I
    8. Louis Pasteur
    9. Theodore Roosevelt
    10. Vladimir Lenin
    11. Orville and Wilbur Wright
    12. Yeshua Bar Yosef (Jesus)
    13. Socrates
    14. George Orson Welles
    15.Leonardo Da Vinci
    16.Alfred Hitchcock
    17. Abram/Abraham
    18. James Madison
    19. David Crockett
    20. Pericles
    21. Issac Newton
    22. Edgar Allan Poe
    23. Albert Einstein
    24. Muhammad
    25. Walter Elias Disney
    26. William Shakespeare
    27. Martin Luther King Jr.
    28. John Lennon
    29. Thomas Jefferson
    30. Chief Joseph
    31. Joseph (of the coat of many colors)
    32. Akbar of India
    33. George Washington
    34. Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
    35. Julius Caesar
    36. Siddartha Gautama (Buddha)
    37. Galileo Galilei
    38. Winston Churchill

    Round 5!
    1. Leonardo Da Vinci
    2. Alfred Hitchcock
    3. Edgar Allan Poe
    4.George Washington
    5. Theodore Roosevelt
    6. King David of Israel
    7. Buddha
    8. Yeshua Bar Yosef (Jesus)
    9. Martin Luther King Jr.
    10. Abram/Abraham
    11. Abraham Lincoln
    12. Albert Einstein
    13. Mahatma Gandhi
    14. Joseph (of the coat of many colors)
    15. David Crockett
    16. Queen Elizabeth the I
    17. Thomas Jefferson
    18. Socrates
    19. Galileo Galilei
    20. Walter Elias Disney

    Round 6
    1. William Shakespeare
    2. George Washington
    3. Davy Crockett
    4. Edgar Allan Poe
    5. Theodore Roosevelt
    6. Abraham Lincoln
    7. Wright Brothers
    8. Mahatma Gandhi
    9. Walt Disney
    10. Leonardo Da Vinci
    11. Stan Lee
    12. Martin Luther King Jr.
    13. Jesus
    14. Buddha
    15. Thomas Jefferson
    16. Socrates
    In our first match….




    …the Objectivist and reclusive comic book creator…
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    Stephen Ditko
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ditko

    …The famous pop musician that helped define a generation…
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    Paul McCartney
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_McCartney


    … the controversial civil rights activist…
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    Malcolm X (Malcolm Little)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X


    …and the famed philosopher of ancient times.
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    Aristotle
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle

    In our second match, there appears…


    …one of the famed sportsmen of our time…
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    Michael Jordan
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan

    …the person whose monument is still not done…
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    Crazy Horse
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Horse

    … a military genius…
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    George Patton
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Patton

    …and a German who was more popular in Russia and China.
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    Karl Marx
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx


    Steve Ditko
    Paul McCartney
    Malcolm X
    Artistotle

    Michael Jordan
    Crazy Horse
    George Patton
    Karl Marx

    1. Aristotle- One of the most influential Western thinkers of all time.
    2. Steve Ditko- I love Spider-Man and the Green Goblin.
    3. Paul McCartney- I want to see the four Beatles face off.
    4. Malcolm X- I'm more of an MLK guy myself.

    1. George Patton- One of the great military leaders.
    2. Crazy Horse- A great Native American leader.
    3. Michael Jordan- An idol when I was small.
    4. Karl Marx- I'm more of a democracy guy.


     
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  2. cradleman

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    okay, so i will be doing this part based off preferences, part based off of historical prominence.

    1. Aristotle: one of the foremost thinkers of all time. granted, a LOT of his theories were later proven wrong but at least he tried.
    2. Steve Ditko: conspired with Stan Lee to create the most popular current superhero, Spider-Man.
    3. Malcom X: very controversial, and his death created quite a stir
    4. Paul McCartney: yes he was influential in Rock and Roll, but that isn't quite the same as being influential in civil rights.

    1. George S. Patton: one of the greatest generals of all time
    2. Crazy Horse: one very cool Indian
    3. Jordan: yes, he's a great basketball player but i hate his guts
    4. Marx: not only was he a lazy bum, he came up with probably the worst form of oppressive government in the history of the world. neither of those things working in his favor.
     
  3. jph139

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    Match 1!
    1. Malcolm X ~ I love me some passionate orators. Was the whole "separation of the races" thing kinda extreme? Yeah. But, MAN, he certainly convinced me. Of course, as a middle class white guy, I don't think I was quite the audience... but... still!
    2. Aristotle ~ Guy was a PHYSICIST. In the HELLENISTIC ERA. Amazing, really.
    3. Paul McCartney ~ Probably my favorite Beatle, but, well, he ain't no Greek philosopher.
    4. Steve Ditko ~ I respect the guy's work and all, and superheroes as a major literary force, but... not quite a "historical figure," really.
    Match 2!
    1. Crazy Horse ~ My favorite Sioux! Such an ardent leader for his people. I mean, not a single photograph exists of him, because they never caught him, they never got to his body, and he never, ever wanted one to exist. Now THAT is something.
    2. Karl Marx ~ While the whole "violent revolution of the proletariat" - while really badass - is a pretty weak stance nowadays, the guy was a pioneer of workers' rights. Considering how horrible conditions were during the period (do I need to point you toward The Jungle?), that's something to get behind.
    3. George S. Patton ~ I'm a big fan, actually. Very interesting character, with some great insight into future Soviet-American relations. Of course he was also pretty horribly racist.

      "The difficulty in understanding the Russians is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of -, barbarian, and chronic drunk."

      Like, during the 1800s, I can buy that. But during WWII? Docks him some major points for me.
    4. Michael Jordan ~ Is he cool? Sure. Is he a great historical figure? Naaaaaht really.
     
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    1. Malcolm X (Though I'm more of an MLK fan myself, I have to give this guy the credit he deserves.)
    2. Aristotle (Big thinker, though he tends to think incorrectly....)
    3. Steve Ditko (Co-creator of Spider-Man, but not as much historic influence as Stan Lee. He'd be in 1st if I was certain he deserved to be in the contest....)
    4. Paul McCartney (I have respect for The Beatles, but he's got some competition here....)

    1. Karl Marx (My badminton partner!)
    2. Crazy Horse (Just hearing about now for the first time, but I love the Native Americans. They should've kept this land - it's unfortunate we killed them all....)
    3. Michael Jordan (First black basketball player, but I'm not a fan of basketball....)
    4. George S. Patton (Judging from the above quote, I hate his guts already.)
     
  5. Superpan

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    I'm considering that quote in my future voting, but I do find it interesting that threatening to kill his soldiers if they lag behind is okay, but virulent racisim that was unfortunately common for his time is what devalues him so? I'm not endorsing those disgusting views, but I find it interesting in studies of human history how many people are much more forgiving of killing than other cultural things.
     
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  6. The Huntsman

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    1 Aristotle
    2 Malcolm X
    3 Paul McCartney
    4 Steve Ditko

    1 Crazy Horse
    2 George Patton
    3 Karl Marx
    4 Michael Jordan
     
  7. The Cartoon

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    1. Paul McCartney (A personal hero of mine, as all of the Beatles are)
    2. Malcom X (One of the most influential people ever. I respect him greatly)
    3. Aristotle (Very influential)
    4. Steve Ditko (Just not quite up to par)

    1. Crazy Horse (Very important and brave, easily deserves to move to Round 2)
    2. Michael Jordan (The greatest basketball player ever)
    3. Karl Marx (Created communism I believe. Not a fan)
    4. George Patton (Also not a fan, and a bigger threat)
     
  8. SpideyFan914

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    Oh, really? Well then, I hate him even more. Seriously, why are people voting for this guy?
     
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    Frankly, I rather respect his entire military discipline. My favorite event - he goes to a military hospital and he finds a kid who had a mental breakdown there. Rather than commend him, like he did everyone else in the room, he slaps the kid around and tells him to get back on the frontlines.

    He's unfair and cruel and one of the greatest military heroes in recent history. One of the people who really reveled in warfare. People like that are worthy of respect, I think. Or maybe pity. All depends on your point of view.
     
  10. The Cartoon

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    I hardly consider that heroic. It disgusts me actually. I do respect that he was a great historical figure, but I really don't care. I can't stand the guy.
     
  11. cradleman

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    Patton was an A**hole through and through, but he was a damned good general. His morals were generally low, but he was such a great military strategist, and he loved his job so much that he was quite possibly the greatest general in WWII, and that is a group that includes Eisenhower and MacArthur. I will never be a fan of his character, but he stood up for what he believed and he's the main reason we won the war against Germany. that is why I voted for him. and for those voting Karl Marx over Patton, please. at least Patton was willing to do something, Marx never had a steady honest job in his life. he was a lazy bum who wanted everything for nothing. and his quote "religion is the opiate of the masses" sure won't win him any awards from me.
     
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    Before this gets out of hand, I just want to remind everyone to treat people with respect. With few exceptions, (basically any dictator with a mustache) I wouldn't call anyone on the list a complete monster and they should be treated with respect, unless you have legitimate evidence that they beat up your great-grandfather after insulting your mother. Otherwise, be careful what you post.
     
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    ...well, he was a political writer all his life. I can't say it's an honest job, but it's certainly a job.

    Now, communism DID eventually absorb aspects of a welfare state, but don't equate his desire for workers' rights with anything like that. This is a time period where people had to send their children to stand knee-deep in ice cold mud all day to open and close a door for a donkey in a coal mine without breaks and without food just so that the family could survive. And they couldn't do anything to change that because capitalists controlled the government. The only way to get a fair shake was violent revolution.

    Now, modern communism you can argue against - we've come a long way in workers' rights - but you can't apply modern ideals to the era.

    ...of course, I get the feeling this could get REALLY political, so, we should probably take care to tread lightly. Do our best to stick purely to historical fact and such without argument. Play nice and all.
     
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    I completely disagree. but this will get WAY political so I will refrain. just know that i cannot respect a man who is more concerned with writing down his (imo, wrong) ideas than supporting his family. my opinion.
     
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    Well, in my opinion, Karl Marx was one of the wisest philosophers around. The fact that communism doesn't work out is actually quite sad. But I don't blame people for that - I blame society and evil dictators.
    Patton, on the other hand, sounds like nothing more than a bully and a coward. Granted, I have no idea what he's done that people seem to consider good. Of course, I probably wouldn't care anyway, since I absolutely despise war with a burning passion.

    And by the way - this thread is titled "Greatest Historical Figure Ever!" It is going to get political....
     
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    George Patton: His morality issues aside, the guy did play a large role in saving the world from Nazis. That has to count for something, doesn't it?
    Crazy Horse
    Karl Marx
    Micheal Jordan
     
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    I'll update later tonight to see if anyone else wants to post, but for future rounds, I become easily bored and so may update after everyone who has voted in this first round has voted. Otherwise, it will be somewhere between 10 PM-12 PM. Here are the results so far for round 1.

    Steve Ditko- 5
    Paul McCartney-5
    Malcolm X- 11
    Aristotle- 14

    Michael Jordan- 5
    Crazy Horse- 17
    George Patton-12
    Karl Marx- 8

    So far, we've learned that Patton's winning despite being hated, you can be a great scientist while still being wrong, and that you cannot live down being the creator of communism. Also, Crazy Horse is awesome.

    Also to whether or not this thread should be political, I have no problem with those discussions as long as they don't offend an historical figure (except Hitler, Stalin, etc.). Just make sure its dignified.

    Now based on some comments this round, I'm off to write a speech on why Walt Disney should move on to round 2.
     
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    Why wouldn't Walt Disney move on? Does he have tough competition?
     
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    Well, he's up against Benjamin Franklin and Jesse James though I think he can beat the latter. Its just if Paul McCartney is voted out in round 1 for being historically insignificant and Walt was taken out pretty early in greatest character, so this makes me worried.
     
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    Eh.... I'd vote him over both of those guys.... And Paul McCartney wasn't voted out for being historically insignificant - he was voted out for having tough competition! Just wait'll John Lennon goes....
     
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