"Star Trek: Discovery" Season One Talkback

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  1. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

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    I don't have another premium subscription. I do these things one at a time. I signed up for Showtime for Twin Peaks, and once that was done, I canceled it. I'm doing the same thing with All Access and Star Trek. I'm actually going to cancel between the month long mid-season break. If Star Trek is not going to air a new episode in December I don't need the service and I'm not going to pay for it. Subscribing to these services one at a time to get caught up on stuff makes it quite affordable.

    Edit: Also, I don't do piracy. I think it sucks.
     
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  2. DarkAngel

    DarkAngel Lord Vader

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    That's a fair approach. I might consider taking a break from Netflix for a month at some point down the road to get caught up on Discovery.
     
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  3. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

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    Star Trek: Discovery "Context Is For Kings"

    This was quite good.. It hit all of the right notes, and shows that even the TV-MA episodes are not going to be too tough to take. I am still a little unclear as to why that was TV-MA. Hannibal showed more gruesome stuff happening to live people on a weekly basis, and was TV-14. A couple of gross corpses don't quite rate to that.

    Love that Lorca has a Tribble. Harry Mudd foreshadowing?

    Interesting that this says that Burnham and Spock were actually raised together by Sarek and Amanda. Which raises questions about why Spock never mentioned he had a human adopted sister. Perhaps because she was the first mutineer in Starfleet history, he was ashamed of her.

    Andorians were also mentioned.

    Tilly is a bit obnoxious, but so was Barclay. I'm sure I'll get used to her eventually too. I love the idea that Starfleet has Aspies among them. Barclay sort of hinted that that was what was going on, but this makes the spectrum thing a bit more explicit.

    Saru continues to be cooler than cool, and I laughed at Lorca telling Stamets that Saru just called Burnham smarter than him. Great line.

    Speaking of which, I love the Kilingon putting his finger to his lips, and Stamets asking, "Did he just shush me?" I love that because that was the last thing I expected the Klingon to do.

    I'm going to like this series, and I'm totally willing to pay 6 bucks a month for it. ****1/2.
     
  4. DarkAngel

    DarkAngel Lord Vader

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    I love the look/feel of the show, that it feels distinctly different from past Trek shows. But I wish they'd slow down the pacing, better develop things, and spend more time with the characters.

    Right. And how big is this spore thing gonna end up being, because it also seems odd we'd have no mention of that, either. Has me wondering to what degree they care about how this fits in with shows set in the future.

    It bothers me that a huge deal is made of this mutiny, while it took up minutes at most of screen time. Again, wish they'd given a lot of this more room to breathe (or left it in backstory/flashbacks to allow the bulk of the first 3 episodes to develop the Discovery crew and its situation.

    So my free trial was still in effect yesterday, giving me a chance to see it. But that'll be it for me for the near future. I definitely want to see more. But I'm far from impressed with the plotting, pacing, and writing. From a quality perspective, I don't find it worth $6/month so far just for Discovery.
     
  5. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

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    Star Trek: Discovery "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not For The Lamb's Cry"

    This episode was a dud. I get messing with the Starfleet premise, but this episode shows that even Star Trek still doesn't get how to humanely treat animals. I'd call it a recent problem, but this has effected all five previous series too. Ironically, it is Seth MacFarlane's The Orville which gets the morality of caging animals better than Star Trek ever did. But Star Trek should NOT still be this backwards about the subject in 2017. No excuses, like the earlier Treks had.

    And how stupid is the security guard? After seeing what that thing did last episode, she lets it out of the cage to attack it with zero plan or back-up from a team of armed guards. And then Lorca stupidly tells Burnham "Don't let her death be in vain". As if it was Burnhum's fault that chick won a Darwin Award. What Lorca seemed to be saying is, "Whatever you do, make sure to do the same damn thing the dumbass security guard did that got her killed. We wouldn't want to insult her memory by acting intelligent."

    And can I just say how much the Klingons suck? I get the producers are trying to make them like Trumpistas, but that just makes them worse. The Klingons were not freaking cannibals on the old show, and even if the entire honor thing was actually only observed by Worf and Martok, and that's it, it still existed. If was still a Klingon ideal, whether the Klingons lived up to it or not. And entire Klingon ship betraying its captain for food shows how badly this version of them suck. Why does Star Trek think I want to see Donald Trump inspired Klingons? Why does that @$$hat get to ruin Star Trek the way he has ruined real-life? He only has that power if Star Trek lets him.

    And finally, I have to say Georgiou's will absolutely sucked. I get that it was supposed to, but those were the absolute worst chosen words for someone who wound up doing what Burnham did. I get that Burnham needs to be punished for how bad her actions were. But does it need to be this relentless and non-stop? We get it, already. She's filled with regret. Can we move on?

    If the first two weeks were sort of a prequel, and last week the second Pilot, this is the first episode in which the show is in a routine and shows us what to expect on weekly basis. And alarmingly, it's the first episode I outright disliked. I am officially worried. *.
     
  6. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

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    Star Trek Discovery “Choose Your Pain”

    Harry Mudd! Rainn Wilson did a pretty good job there.

    Saru was very unlikable this episode.

    I loved Stamets crazily laughing when he woke up.

    First F-bombs in Star Trek history. I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.

    Tilly seems to be rocking a major zit on her forehead.

    Archer, April, Pike, and Decker were all listed on the screen with Gourgiou as some of the greatest Starfleet Captains ever. Excellent Easter Egg.

    Good episode this week. ****.
     
  7. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

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    Star Trek: Discovery "Lethe"

    I kind of love Sarek's shame in this episode about choosing Spock to attend the Science Academy over Michael. Because it shows an essential Spock and Sarek theme: Spock routinely screws over Sarek for no good reason whatsoever, embarrassing him, and taking his position for granted. It's been that way since "Journey To Babel", and I like that Sarek's biggest regret about Michael probably only wound up being a regret because Spock was too much of an oblivious bastard to understand the sacrifice Sarek had made for him. God, Origial Series Spock SUCKED. Excellent to sort of tear open the wound here, and see EXACTLY why Original Series Sarek was so ticked at Spock for joining Starfleet in the first place. This is what a good prequel should do: Make the original canon better in hindsight. And this does.

    My favorite thing in the episode is the Admiral deciding to take away Lorca's ship when she did. Normally on TV, a man with PTSD assaults a woman before they realize they aren't a threat, the woman apologizes for spooking the man in such a fashion. That's pretty much Wolverine's entire shtick in the X-Men movies. But instead, the Admiral flips out on Lorca, calls him pathological, and decides to take away his ship. But the best part of this scenario is that the Admiral is also a therapist, so she should be one of those women who is understanding about Lorca's violent hang-ups. But she isn't because he hurt her. And damn, that should be every woman everywhere on TV in that scenario. And only upon seeing it here do I realize how sick the woman apologizing to the man for him grabbing her by the throat actually is.

    The Klingons suck and have no honor. I like the implication that perhaps Lorca isn't doing everything he can for the Admiral because she'll take away his ship when she gets back. But he's thinking about it all wrong. If I were him, I'd want to make sure it was me who did the rescue, so she'd see my value as Captain and change her mind. I don't mind the show showing Lorca being conniving and selfish about his career. But I'd kind of like it if he wound up doing the things that would most benefit his position and career if he cares about it so much.

    Stamets was fun this episode. I kind of wish the character had been this from the beginning instead of the buttwipe we were introduced to.

    Suffice it to say, this was a good week. ****1/2.
     
  8. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

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    Star Trek: Discovery "Magic To Make The Sanest Man Go Mad"

    Best episode so far. I think it was a good Star Trek episode, and one of those good Star Trek episodes where the crew outwits a seemingly much smarter villain. But unlike Picard and Data's victories with Ardra and Moriarty, I feel a LOT less good about the crew's win here. They seemed very sure footed upon welcoming Captain Mudd to the bridge. But it is simply put, NOT a Crowning Moment Of Awesome on the level Picard and Data always delivered. Because what if Mudd saw through that offer, and saw a hidden agenda under it, and simply killed the Captain and reset the timeline to simplify things? That particular gambit against Mudd would only work ONCE, and they kind of had to hope that everyone involved was a good enough actor not to crack under the deceit, or for Mudd to simply reset things for the sake of getting a firmer grasp of what was going on.

    I think Stamets revealing himself was a huge mistake, and this particular endgame would not have been so dicey if there was virtually no other change Mudd needed to reset the clock again. Michael revealing herself however was as clever as that was dumb, because it was the one thing that got Mudd to hit the Reset Button the final time the crew needed to put Stamet's plan in place.

    Suffice it to say, Stamets is now my favorite character.

    Apparently The Federation had contact with Betazoids before Kirk's time. That idea fits the canon, but it IS the first time it has been revealed.

    For the record, Stella is NOT the harsh looking middle-aged battle-axe Future Harcourt designs his robots after. She is quite literally more beautiful than any woman who ever appeared on the original Star Trek. I kind of think Harry's memory must be completely faulty if that how he remembers her.

    Michael's "So you'll know this is real" secret is interesting because I don't think that is a secret she should have shared. The scenario did not call for the secret to be that personal. I have a ton of personal anecdotes I have never told another person, not because it's a secret, but because it never seemed a big enough deal for me to brag about. For the record, I once saw a deer outside my window, and I once met Mike Barnicle in a donut shop. I have never told anyone either of those things EVER (this review is will literally be the first time I've revealed either to ANYONE) and those would have both worked equally well for a "Never told anybody" question, without making Stamets look at me as if I was the saddest human being in existence.

    As much I enjoyed the episode, there is a big "but" coming. I think the episode did extremely wrong by Harry Mudd. First off, he's too smart. TOS Harry was practically a cretin. I don't object to them messing with that, however. Making the character better, even if it's inconsistent, should be okay.

    But Harcourt Fenton Mudd is NOT a mass murdering psychopath. He's a scoundrel, but a scoundrel with a twinkle in his eye. He's a rogue conman, not a sociopath. And if Discovery IS canon, (and Paramount and CBS seem to be leaning that way, as badly as it fits) that means I probably won't be able to enjoy the old TOS Mudd episodes as much as I once did. A Star Trek prequel should NOT make "I, Mudd" less fun in hindsight. That should be Star Trek prequel 101. The fact that this might, means that as fun as the episode was, the writers ultimately need their heads examined. But hey, we finally got the real story behind Stella. ****.
     
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    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

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    Star Trek: Discovery “Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum”

    I liked it a lot.

    I didn’t quite get where things were going on the Klingon ship but it was interesting. The House of Kor, huh? This show is one big continuity headache.

    Saru’s behavior is so inexcusable because he has been holding Burma’s mutiny over her head since they’ve been reunited. You’d figure someone who felt that strongly about a subject would not entirely lapse their judgment based on the “Feelgoods”. What is ironic is that Saru is a bigger threat than the aliens who Burnham think is controlling him. They really are not and Saru is simply misreading them.

    I was bummed Stamets was back to being a grump. Silly me, I had assumed Stamets’ stern behavior in the first couple of episodes was due to his disapproval of Burnham. It turns out that was his default personality and the wonderful character we’ve gotten over the past few weeks was the abnormality. Which seriously bums me out.

    Fall Finale next week. I’ll have to remember to cancel my subscription until January. ****.
     
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    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

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    Star Trek Discovery "Into The Forest I Go"

    First appearance of female Klingon nipples. This is not the Star Trek nudity I was looking for.

    I think they are in the Mirror Universe. Stamets talking about parallel worlds was the giveaway to me.

    Pretty good fall finale but I'll be canceling my All Access subscription until January. ****.
     
  11. dumbfoolkid5

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    Will there be models of the ships for the public?

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  12. PicardMan

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    Discovery hasn't been merchandised yet, but I'm sure that will change. It's new and still building up a fanbase.
     

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