One Piece Manga 582+: "The New Era Begins!" (Spoilers)

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  1. Neo Ultra Mike

    Neo Ultra Mike Creeping Shadow of "15000"+ Posts

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    My thoughts on OP 893

    Cover Page: Continuing on with the Leo arc, the dwarves check out they're ship some more... huh now I'm reminded of when the Gorgonites were given a ship by Alan at the end of Small Soldiers to search for they're homeland except here it's going to be dwarves just searching for adventure. Though 5 points if one of them while sailing out goes "I hope we don't get hit by an iceberg" or mentions Encarta... remember when Encarta was a thing? Cause I do.

    Review: At first I was honestly kind of wondering how to feel about this chapter. As this is the first time in OP where we actually get the old shonen cliche of the "this is a manly fight to the death between two men we're fighting with our honor and pride" between Luffy and one of the villains that actually showed the villain in a sense being honorable about it. I mean the whole battle of men thing was kind of mocked or made kind of as a joke with Franky vs Senor Pink in the battle of Dressrosa when they kept tosing the word around and making over the top ridiculous speeches about it while launching stuff like baby bombs and nipple lights so it was sort of a lampoon. This isn't the case with this fight as at least this part isn't supposed to be a joke and at first kind of seems odd for someone like Katakuri to do. Who is shown yeah to not be like the most vile or horrendous monster in comparison to how evil and backstabbing most of the rest of his family is, but is still someone who is about efficentley wiping out a threat as quick as possible with his future sight and moving on. However when thinking about this whole entire encounter and this particular part I realized something that made it work. And it wasn't just the "haki is built up fighting stronger opponents" thing or whatever Rayleigh that honestly does feel kind of there to justify Luffy getting stronger without really training here. But rather something that connects at a character level and honestly does raise Dogtooth up as a character, even as a villain;

    The pride of doing the job himself and wanting to see it through to the end.

    Because honestly on one level, taking this blow and ending the fight here should still be a perfect mark on Katakuri's record. The only reason Luffy lasted so long is because of how many time he's run away or how other people have gotten in the way like the whole "hiding out to regain my haki" strategy seen with Brulee. Really feels only natural for karma to come back around to Luffy to loose a fight in a sense at the beginning he had no chance of winning and kind of lucked into lasting this long. However to Katakuri at this point having fought Luffy for so long and having constantly seen him evolve and get stronger and survive his assault over and over, is more determined to ever to win on his and only his terms. It's obvious he doesn't particularly care how the rest of his family see him at this point and even before he seemed to hold up this image more for the sake of just generally being left along and wanting to do things in his own way. And even though he would still hold claim winning the battle this way, he doesn't see it as that if someone else got in the way and made him deal a critical blow he didn't earn. Honestly it's like going through a level of Bloodbourne and at the very end someone hacking they're way into the game to deal a strike on a foe you've been trying to hack away for hours: even if you hate that foe and want him to die you want it to be on your terms and not have your victory cheapened by the actions of an outsider. Most other main villains wouldn't care about such a thing but to people with a pride of they're strength and abilities to do anything I can see this bothering Katakuri and honestly him spearing himself and removing his mask to tell the others not to interfere does make a lot of sense and honestly does explain Flambe's role in this fight: she was here to really show the difference between Katakuri and the rest of the family in terms of how they deal with problems. The others probably would just seize on the Straw Hats or anyone else in an instant of weakness not caring how much it was earned but Katakuri wants the fight to be his own and wants the win to come from him. Especially from someone who has proven now to be on his level and not just a lot of the weaker opponents he can instantly house in a second. It does work and showing bits of his pass and him walking and thinking as Flambe is either praising him or dissing his looks work especially the ending of the two unleashing conqueror's haki to knock the others out.

    So honestly this chapter is actually fairly solid for what seems like it going with this shonen cliche as it actually in a sense deepens the villain a bit more and makes this battle feel more important. I've been championing before that Luffy vs Katakuri should end in a loss for Luffy so they can have a rematch battle in Elbalf (again obvious the Straw Hats will get away and the Big Mom pirates will wind up chasing them there and be the major villains of that arc as that just makes too mense for them not to do) and I still feel that way but having it end in a way where Katakuri wasn't satisfied and felt it was fully earned so he would also welcome a rematch fight makes sense now so kind of hoping that happens but still solid chapter. Really I don't know why people are getting bored with this fight since other things are happening in chapters that don't focus on it and the ones that do are actually quite good.
     
  2. Radical

    Radical The Face of Evil & Epicness!!!!!

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    Chapter 893 was pretty sweet, Katakuri's great character development,

    Leo and his crew inspecting their ship, sweet.Luffy vs. Katakuri continues, poor Luffy did took a nasty bruise, but still stands to be invincible to fight back, great of Luffy.Flampe attacks, but her needle attack was sweet though, and nice seeing Luffy's training with Silvers Rayleigh.Nice of Katakuri to have honor to want Flampe to not inferfere which was great, this a battle between the men dumb fangirl, hehehehe.Katakuri stabbing himself was crazy/hardcore, and in Katakuri's flashback, I pity him next to Pudding on getting bullied due to his sharp teeth.Flampe wanting to expose Katakuri's real face, it will fail though, but nice of Katakuri being honorable though.Both Luffy/Katakuri knocking out Flampe and her minions with the Conqueror's Haki was pretty sweet.Both Luffy/Katakuri continuing their battle respecting each other was great.
     
  3. Neo Ultra Mike

    Neo Ultra Mike Creeping Shadow of "15000"+ Posts

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    OP 894 is out and here's my review.

    Cover Page: The Tondatta instead of going on they're pirate journey are now escorts to the Dressrosa royal family for the Reverie.... I guess that's why they're arc hasn't really involved them leaving the country yet. That reminds me we still need to see this reverie. Will it be this year or will Oda somehow extend this story even more to next year? Have to wait and find out I suppose.

    Review: Well it seems like the very least we're drawing closer to the climax of this battle between Luffy and Katakuri as it ends with Luffy going Gear 4 "Snake Man" so yeah guess there are multiple variations of Gear 4 like people predicted after Tank Man so curious how that will go. I admit I actually do like the montage of the two battle of Luffy taking serious licks but still standing and occassionally getting a bit of a hit in. Part of me would still like to see Katakuri win or at least the two tie and him be someone we see as a warrior again but let it be said that if Luffy wins this is one he certainly earned and this is certainly him expanding on all of his limits. I also liked how this started with a Rayleigh flashback and those "oh I sense anger" when Luffy like accidentally smashed the guy's lunch was funny and I do like expanding on the strength and talk of Haki. Part of me was "isn't it a bit too convientant they talked about someone who can see the future" but I guess it's a Haki power other people have and obviously this bit was chosen because it pertains most to the flashback as it's not like the two just had that one talk over the... two years of training. So that works.

    The rest of the chapter were also showcasing other bits happening over the two hours. Most were amusing as I liked the Fire Tank pirates continuing the chase with the cake and Chiffon getting them to go quicker (though aren't they still planning on killing Big Mom so where does the whole "if she survives and comes after" attitude come from? Yeah I know we know they're going to fail but they aren't suppose to know that), Jinbe and Nami managing to evade I guess Smoothie's water soaking blasts (yeah for Smoothie finally doing something. She better be a character saved more for another arc though I swear), Sanji going with Pudding on the carpet to help rescue Luffy (so yeah he also better get into a battle during all of this as well) and honestly I think even Oda was bored with how many members of the Big Mom family as him introducing them as "30-34 members etc" and "yadda yadda yadda" proves he was kind of bored coming up with designs and ideas for personalties though I like actually seeing Snack and a lot of them being "ugh really all of us were gathered for this? I'm taking a nap."

    So yeah funny bits and good action as we do really seem to be heading to the climax now so curious how that shakes out exactly but good chapter here.
     
  4. zoombie

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    Chapter 894

    My thoughts on the latest chapter of One Piece.

    I think we are headed for the climax of Luffy / Dogtooth, about stinking time. Well than I think in a chapter or two it will be over.

    Now the cake delivery I think Ciffon she is not going to let Bege just leave the Strawhats out to dry here, but Bege like all of yours knows they will be fine anyway. Big Mom she is not even human anymore.

    No Brock she is not a giant, if not we would have fewer problems with Big Mom temper.

    So Sanji and Pudding are not really married? It would be interesting if they were.
    So are we going to fight the whole family, looks like.
     
  5. Radical

    Radical The Face of Evil & Epicness!!!!!

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    Chapter 894 was pretty sweet, Luffy's Gear 4 new technique comes, sweet,

    Leo and his Tontatta dwarf crew being the escort for King Riku was sweet.Luffy's flashback with his training with Silvers Rayleigh was great on how he has to learn to use his observation haki great/properly.Luffy vs. Katakuri continues while trading blows while Luffy gets a hit on Katakuri, sweet.Chiffon wanting to go to Fluffy Island, cool, and Big Mom gets more thinner, strange/interesting.The Strawhats escaping from Smoothie which Smoothie has a great crazy ability becoming a giant, yikes:eek:.Sanji and Pudding off to search for Luffy was great, nice with Pudding worried.In Cacao Island with the Charlotte siblings guarding, Snack finally shows himself after recovery, sweet.Nice that Luffy gets up and shows his sweet new technique from Gear 4, SNAKE MAN, awesome:D.
     
  6. PapaGreg

    PapaGreg Drinking my sorrows

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    This is literally one of the best fights in the series and its suck that Toei is going to animate it one day
     
  7. zoombie

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    Chapter 895

    My thoughts on the latest chapter of One Piece.

    So the Luffy / Katakuri fight reaches it climax. That is pretty much it. Just a lot of fighting, which I am sure a lot of people like, and I don't mind either, it is a quick read.

    So the fact we have no chapter next week, lets me to believe next the week the fight will conclude. Either Luffy will win or I guess a draw. Will Luffy has won Katakurii respect at least.
     
  8. Neo Ultra Mike

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    OP 895 thoughts

    Cover Page: The Harujdin mini arc finally starts with the ship heading away from Buggy since yeah remember they were once his most powerful troops but now they serve Luffy. I don't know what makes me feel more sorry for Buggy: that or his face here is his first time in a 100 chapters he had an appearance... and he only previously had an appearance a 100 chapters before that. Granted it's not like he's supposed to be a reoccuring every week villain but he must be mad that he seems to only appear at most now every couple of years... granted not like he appeared a super lot of times in the manga in the first "half" of the series but still.

    Review: Well seems like this was the last full on chapter of the fight and I have to say chapters like this prove that honestly it's not that Oda can't write action anymore it's just that we usually don't see this sort of spectacle on display and it's only reserved for a very rare occasion. But this certainly being one of them makes sense and it looks honestly just really cool and impressive. Seeing the whole Snakemen being Gear 4's speed form and it having Luffy's fists constantly bouncing off or twisting and gaining speed to strike his foes is honestly really neat. One of those things we sort of saw before as more an accident like fighting Eneru except now more serious and vicious. However like with Doflamingo getting the first gear 4 I like how this isn't a total clean sweep victory. It gets some good hits in but Katakuri realizes what's happening pretty quickly and strikes back on his own and his roll in a ball Donut and spike grab Luffy to toss in the air and hurl him down looks like a really painful and powerful attack so it's clear he's getting his shots in. Also like Luffy's reaction to that is to pretty much just let out all the frustrations he's had throughout the fight about being hungry and being annoyed Dogtooth is still standing and wanting him to fall before a big old back and forth slugfest which we really haven't seen before. Honestly I think one other big reason haki became a thing is because Oda wanted that sort of fight with Luffy and his opponent but since Luffy is made of rubber no standard just impact shots are supposed to hurt him but now with Haki that's different and honestly it works here, especially the two charging they're last attack and only seeing the after math not being sure who won. Again part of me hopes it's a tie to leave things for a further rematch down the road (i'm sure everyone would want to see another one of these fights albeit shorter in the future) but again, Luffy put his all into this and this was not a cheap or easy encounter and was by far if not his hardest fight overall, certainly the one that pushed his limits the most since the time skip.

    So yeah really good action chapter. Sad next week will be a break but honestly after stuff like this Oda's earned a bit of time off though with this fight pretty much over the arc should be wrapping up pretty soon I'd want to hope.
     

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