"Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths" News & Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

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  1. ABrown

    ABrown Well-Known Member

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    I was going to mention how these DC Universe movies are pg-13, but then Batman Beyond:ROTJ popped in my head.
     
  2. Dayspring

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    Seconded. Thanks, Toddman! :D

    As for your question regarding the point of making a DCAU with new style and VAs, I would say to continue the story itself, but by taking it into a "new, fresh direction." Though this would piss me and many fans off, at least we'd have the story element thriving again, which some (myself included) would argue is the most important of the four elements of the DCAU.

    Luckily we've received official word from Dwayne McDuffie that this is not a non-DCAU World's Collide, or even DCAU with different VAs and art style. It's just an Earth Three-inspired story, meaning a general Crime Syndicate and Good Luthor story.
     
  3. A.J

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    Theres something I cant understand and its why do they refuse to bring back the DCAU...I mean, yeah the last series ended 3 or 4 years ago and yada yada yada but so what!? Why cant they just continue it with a DTV movie, some DTV mini series or something? With the DC Universe giving us a wide range of options now, why to not include the DCAU and change the only one movie for JL to another DC Universe flick. It isnt like there arent any more stories to tell or that they dont have public would run they day it comes out to buy it (Hello, the JLU Mattel line is still on!!!! geez)!!! If this Crisis on Earth 2 turns out it was the JL Worlds Collide movie Im going to be mad indeed, whats the big need to NOT make it DCAU?!? Dont tell me they ran out of stories and it all ended with Epilogue because you know that aint the reason.
     
  4. Toddman

    Toddman Hulk not good with words.

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    I'm not one to disparage the value of actual stories and storylines, but I feel the strength of the DCAU was best represented when all of the ingredients that it made it special were mixed together. It's hard to place any one of those above the other, because they worked in harmony so well.

    And I'm curious, what are the "four elements" of the DCAU you're thinking of? Visual style, voice talent, storylines, and...? :confused:

    Also curious where you read this?



    Toddman
     
  5. James Harvey

    James Harvey The World's Finest
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    The World's Finest has an update on the upcoming Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths direct-to-video animated feature. Click here or on the image below for more.
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    Additionally, due to the nature and content of the update, please keep your posts civil and within the confines of Toon Zone Forum rules. Please do not post any improper or inflammatory material, as disciplinary action will be handed out if necessary with no exceptions made.

    I also want to remind users to keep this thread on-topic. Any off-topic discussions can be spun out into separate threads.
     
  6. Toddman

    Toddman Hulk not good with words.

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    That would seem to make it official:

    So when do we start burning Greg Noveck in effigy?

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    Just kidding... (sort of)



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  7. Dayspring

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    Sooooooo confused. Exactly how much did they "morph" the WC script that Dwayne McDuffie no longer considers it as inspired by JLA: Earth-2? On the DC forums (linked to earlier in this thread) that it wasn't based of JLA: Earth-2; they just took the idea of Earth Three (pre-Crisis) and ran with it.

    Maybe Dwayne couldn't tweak it, came up with a new CS+Good Luthor story, and Novek didn't know it was a new one?

    EDIT: @James Harvey: Wait, what innapropriate material? I don't want to accidentally post something unwittingly.
     
  8. Stu

    Stu Marvel Animation Age Webmaster
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    I can't say I blame them - they are more likely to attract higher sales with a new Justice League than continuation of an old one - chances are the JLU fans will be buying this regardless - I know I will.

    I can't tell who the character designer is from the images shown, but I would like to compliment him on his Superman. That is a sweet Man Of Steel.
     
  9. Antiyonder

    Antiyonder Amalgam Universe Overlord
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    Frankly I don't really mind this movie's development as long as after it's release, Timm gives us the full synopsis (juicy spoiler details of course) on how this would have played out for the lead in to JLU.
     
  10. DisneyBoy

    DisneyBoy Searchin' My Soul

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    I hadn't read that comment from b.t. about World's Collide being "vastly different" from A Better World. Interesting to hear...but I can't imagine how that is, seeing as how I've never read the script ;) The two seem very similar to me.

    I'm always happy to boost your spirits Fone. Don't let the negative Nancys get to you. Sure, the DCAU is taking a coffee break...but it's not the first time.

    And as for whoever said making it DCAU would only please the "50 or so" of us here on these boards - please note the following:

    A) There's WAAAY more than 50 of us here, between past members who no longer post, and eventual members-to-be who lurk.

    B) Just yesterday someone told me how much they loved Justice League Unlimited. Someone who isn't some crazy DC fan...just a fan of cartoons in general.

    All this to say - it won't be forgotten, and I'm sure there's more to come.

    My heart still goes out to Fone though, for all the hard fighting he's done to keep the DCAU alive all these years. I still remember the Gotham Girls webisodes petition, man. YOU helped get those babies released on the Birds of Prey set :)

    There is SO much material to bounce off from I could have seen it running another 20 years without getting stale.

    Well, maybe not another twenty years. I could see maybe one more six-year stint. I could have easily seen two more seasons of JLU. And the tie-in comic running ad infinitum, along with Batman Adventures. But alas...
     
  11. ABrown

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    I think that there's a lot of people like myself who in 2007 were furious that these DC Universe movies weren't DCAU movies. And as 2008 went along and went into 2009, people like myself started to adjust to these DC Universe movies. And now, like myself, have no problem with them.

    For me, Wonder Woman is the only one that I'll put anywhere around the level of Batman:MOTP, Subzero, or Batman Beyond:ROTJ. And Batman:GK is the only one that I didn't like at all. I view Green Lanter:FF, Superman Doomsday, and Justice League:New Frontier as being around the same level as Batman:MOTB and Superman:BA.

    So I'm ok if this isn't a DCAU movie, since I liked Wonder Woman more than some of the DCAU movies anyway.
     
  12. Pfeiffer-Pfan

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    Well... I don't think the Justice League from The New Frontier set the world on fire.

    Considering how protective Bruce Timm was of this script, i'm surprised he let it slip out of DCAU continuity. Especially considering we have seen this kind of story told a million times before...

    So what exactly do we have here?

    A Green Lantern that should have been John Stewart etc etc etc...

    Basically this should be DCAU but it's not?

    Eugh... I really don't want to sound like a raving DCAU fan nut but to quote Mr Timm from The Brave and the Bold, ''meh!''
     
  13. bat313

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    Thank you Toddman, for saying everything that i have ever wanted to say to all the people who keep harping "just let the DAU die already!" I've wanted to but all those B.T. quotes together for awhile. It drives me crazy, just because we love the DAU doesn't mean we hate the DCU dvd's. We jsut want the DCAU revisited again. I also can't stand the poeple who say, B.T. wanted it to end. He never said that. He said he was relieved that it was over because it was so hard to top themselves each time but he had a whole season planned about the future JLU in batman beyond time if they were renewed. Man, i would have loved to see that! Plus i would have loved to have gotten all the Mattel figures! Don't even get me started on that line. B.T. should get 25% of the profit because it's his slick design that makes those figures so appealing and they are still going strong!
     
  14. Bat-Fan Beyond

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    One more time...


    So now, let's all bow our heads in a moment of silence and lay to rest The DC Animated Universe. It set a standard in animation entertainment that will forever be there in our hearts, our memories, and our DVD collections.



    DCAU
    1992-2006
    R.I.P.
     
  15. darkdetective

    darkdetective Former TZ Reporter/Reviewer

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    Curse you, Noveck, for taking away one of the last chances for the return of the greatest animated superhero universe ever made. This is something I'll never forgive.


    ...but life goes on I guess...
     
  16. Toddman

    Toddman Hulk not good with words.

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    Are you still saying that Mr. McDuffie has stated that JL:CO2E is not a flatout re-working of WC? Because I don't see a quote like that from him anywhere.

    You're welcome. We probably all need some form of catharsis to help us digest (or stomach even?) the demise of "Worlds Collide" specifically and the final nail in the coffin of the DCAU. Sorry to say that I don't share Disney Boy's level of optimism about a return one day...

    By the way regarding the quotes, there's also one floating around out there from the 2007 Comic-Con in which b.t. reiterates the same thing again, but I couldn't find that one... :p

    According to a published interview in '06, Timm actually said that was just one of a couple of possible directions an additional season of JLU might have taken. They were also considering a season long time-travel adventure.


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  17. Toddman

    Toddman Hulk not good with words.

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    The only design from the image linked above that I really dig is the one for Superwoman. That looks fantastic.

    That image is most definitely not authentic, however. I wonder if any of the pre-production work that was completed before the original "Worlds Collide" DTV was shelved will ever be revealed?

    Here's the info on what had been completed before it was put on hold (from The Watchtower fansite):



    So while Bruce Timm definitely did come up with some original character designs, they aren't the ones from above. I wonder if any of those designs will be reflected in the style of JL:CO2E, or if Timm's work from that project will ever see the light of day?

    I'm also very curious about the voice cast that was originally assembled. Is it possible that since that job never came through, those actors were used later on in different roles for JLU's last season?

    Maybe Michael Beach as the original choice for Power Ring? Or Alexis Denisof as Quick? Perhaps James Remar as Owlman?


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  18. b.t.

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    let's see if i can do this without pissing anyone off unduly....fingers crossed!

    yep, CO2E basically IS the old WORLDS COLLIDE script -- it's like 95% or more intact -- major difference being the swapping of john stewart for hal jordan -- and since john didn't have a very big part in the original script anyhow, it didn't impact the overall story in any important way (we'd just come off "Starcrossed", remember, where he'd gotten some major face-time, so we felt it'd be good to let him take a bit of a breather)

    WORLDS COLLIDE was always intended to be "Continuity Lite", to appeal to the broadest audience possible, to be comprehensible to people who hadn't necessarily seen every episode of JL or people who didn't even get Cartoon Network -- (remember, at the time, the season set dvd's were still a ways off) -- so there never were very many overt continuity callbacks in the script to get rid of

    as to why we didn't just make it a straight-up "DCAU" film? simple answer : ZERO interest from the folks at Home Video in re-visting the old continuity -- they've invested several million dollars in establishing the new "DCU" dvd line as its own thing, so why muddy the issue by bringing back the old continuity?

    putting it bluntly, getting a "DCAU" version of WORLDS COLLIDE green-lit just plain wasn't gonna happen at this time -- PERIOD.

    so -- i could've just waited another five years to see if anybody at Home Video changed their minds (and run the risk that they might NEVER do so) -- or i could grab this opportunity as my last best hope of getting WC on the screen practically intact (but with new designs and new voices), and obviously that's what i chose to do

    and by the way, regardless of what gregory says in that video clip, it was totally my idea to dust off and tweak the WC script for the DCU series -- he's blameless here -- any effigies that get burned will have blonde hair, glasses and very tall foreheads, okay?

    and as for whether or not the DCAU continuity is "dead" or not -- believe me, i very much appreciate that so many of you guys have so much love for the old series, from BTAS through JLU (i do too) -- but frankly, i doubt that we'll be formally, "officially" doing another movie or tv series set in that continuity -- but i suppose anything's possible -- i just hate to see you guys getting your hopes up for DCAU Ressurrection Day, every time we cast kevin conroy as batman or whatever

    at the moment, i'm thoroughly enjoying making these "one-off" DCU movies, and don't have any burning desire to re-visit the old continuity -- again, anything is possible, so concievably that could change someday -- instead of saying "THE DCAU IS DEAD", maybe we can just say it's in a state of suspended animation until further notice...?
     
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    Thanks for all the info, glad to see World's Collide is still being made in someway.

    It's sad to see the DCAU in 'suspended animation' but alas it's time to move on.

    I'd have to say all four (including MOTB) of the movies you listed are leaps and bounds above Brainiac Attacks. The characters alone were done a lot better in the DCU movies, for instance in BA Lex Luthor was a bumbling fool, but in Doomsday he was a brilliant, selfish mad man.
     
  20. mgr91686

    mgr91686 knowledgable John Wayne fan

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    I really don't have any problem with the fact that these aren't DCAU connected, the only problem I have is I get insanely bitter when anybody else but Conroy voices Batman in something that's in anyway done by Bruce Timm.

    As long as Bruce Timm continues to make these I will always be interested enough to give them a chance. Although I am considering making a federal case out of the lack of Conroy.

    In my opinion just about anything Timm does is worthwhile and the fact that he cares enough to actually listen to the fans and that he actually seems to care about anything and everything connected to his projects, from initial conception to finished product. And the biggest plus is he takes the time out of his busy schedule to explain the various executive and creative decisions to fans who are sometimes aren't very rational at all. I like it when he takes the time to respond to us.

    Bruce Timm is the greatest promotional tool that this DTV series has, and I look forward to his future projects. However the wait for each movie kills me.
     
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