It's been bothering me [chobits SPOILERS]

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RogueMartian

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So I was watching chobits and for those of you that don't know the story, get out, cause spoilers follow.

I have always had a problem with the idea of chobits, or the general idea that a machine and a human could be anything other than tool and user.

Okay so the general idea is that a guy can fall in love with a computer. But throughout the whole series Chii (for all her supposedly great persocom abilities) never does anything human. She occasionally breaks other persocoms and glows....that's apparently why she's so great....but, she never displays emotion other than straight "happy" "sad". She also never argues or complains or has a preference. I would have bought her as a human substitute if just ONCE she had said something like "I like pink more than green" or maybe if she disputed something. From what I can tell hideki can leave her in his house all day staring at a wall and she finds that equally as interesting as going to work and baking cakes or watching him do his homework. Watching the show I was thinking "you've got to be kidding me, surely SOMEBODY sees this". Nope, whole series and everyone just accepts that chii and hideki can be together.

So I'm asking anyone, did I miss something? Did Chii ever do something that was worthy of being loved as anything other than a really stupid puppy dog? Or should I just dismiss Hideki as a dumb hick and I should be glad he ends up with a persocom....cause otherwise i'm fairly sure he would procreate :p
 

Bunai

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your view fits the anime quite well lol

i think the manga expands a bit more on chi...face wise, but she really doesn't do anything that someone would declare "so human". then they try to make the reader/veiwer feel sorry for a persocom cause their memories can be erased...well a human can go through the same thing. i really disliked that part, i thought it was stupid.

really you can just look at it as "a guys fantasy" a girl like thing that can do what you want it to do with no questions really asked. but its trying to see "would you really want that in a girl?". like do you want her to have her own thoughts and feelings?
she is a learning robot...and Chobits never really goes far in that, you don't know HOW the relationship ends up or how far Chi/Elda progresses...i guess its up to the audience.

Plum(sumomo) and Kotoko are really the ones with an expand vocab and personality, they tell you if they dislike something or have an opinion on it.
Chi is just not that far ahead in this series...since its done in a short amount of time...i think it was done in a year. timeline wise.

its really about "what makes a human?"
and such...
i'm glad people have different views on the series. lol
i read one review a long time ago that said "Chobits is like Pokemon" there was more to it but i gotta find it lol
 

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RogueMartian said:
So I'm asking anyone, did I miss something? Did Chii ever do something that was worthy of being loved as anything other than a really stupid puppy dog? Or should I just dismiss Hideki as a dumb hick and I should be glad he ends up with a persocom....cause otherwise i'm fairly sure he would procreate :p
Chi's cute. What more do you need? :p

And because he chose a Persocom over another human, he can't really fulfill his primal urges. Otherwise, he would turn off Chi every night.

If he wasn't so stupid to hook back up Yumi & the bakery guy, he could have had her for a GF, but no. He's gotta be a nice guy...
 
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ChoBits is about memories... of humans. It's the human characters who struggle with something that can be programmed to seem a certain way. Minoru is never sure Yuzuki has a "ghost [or spirit] in the machine but perhaps [his] own feelings are proof enough." It's existential, in that ChoBits and humans really exist for one another in memories. The baker can never be sure his first wife sacrificed herself to save him but he chooses to see it that way. And it's key that Hideki does as well. Even "Hot for Teacher" (4get his name) speculates why get mad at ChoBits as a whole because of the possibility his GF was left for another woman just as real as her.
 

Bunai

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that was really the clever one. if it was a human he/she left for, would you react the same way (in anger/jealousy)? that memory erase one was sad, but its like amnesia happens to humans, so its pretty equal.

i say its debatable.


"Hot for Teacher"
ummm Takakos or Minoru?
 

KarlOlson

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I think it's an issue of the manga being better told than the anime for starters - the manga was basically using Hideki and Chii as foils for stories about various man/machine relationships, not just a silly fanservice show like the anime was for the most part, - and also an issue of what constitutes a good person between the two cultures - Chii was kawaii in the full connotation of the word; she wasn't just cute, she was also somewhat domestically talented and well-mannered. In the western context, that's kinda no big deal, but if I've got my cultural info straight, it counts a considerable bit more in Japan.

The big note is that in the manga it's clearly delineated that Hideki can't have sex with Chii, so the love has to be that of genuine nature. In a sense, it's basically a way of working with the last man-machine parable could be tackled by Chobits, which is can you love a machine as a person, not as a walking talking sex-toy? Hideki says yes, he can. In a sense, it doesn't even seem that weird given that are people, families even, out there who have bought Real Dolls and proceeded to treat them very similarly to Persocoms: purchasing them complete outfits, having picnics in the backyard with them, sitting them with the rest of the family at dinner. If people are willing to treat objects that only look fairly human as human, you only need about as much personality as Chii before someone goes head over heels. CLAMP is closer to reality than they may even realize with Chobits.
 

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Also, realise that Chobits are done by CLAMP, top dogs of the shoujo manga scene, and not someone like Ken Akamatsu, so there must be an agenda somewhere....
 

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AI comes to mind :)
David


Anyway, Chobits definitely invokes a lot of the same concepts AI does (which is sorta interesting as neither work had any effect whatsoever on the other.) Chobits just takes them in a slightly different direction, as it plays with the sexual relationship rather than the parental one (atleast as the main focus.) It also freely references some of the robotics issues Asimov played with as well (IE: Bicentennial Man type issues.) It's really what makes it more than most robot girl animes; it's got a real, classical sci-fi element.
 

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Leaping Larry Jojo said:
Talking about grimy love stories, you haven't seen all of Koi Kaze before you reviewed the first disc, have you, Karl? Do you really want to know how it ends? I mean, REALLY? :sweat: :evil: :ack:
Where you when this thread was made, by me:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=114686

I know exactly how it ends. This show is just lucky that it's characterization and storytelling-style are so superb that the fact that the story is seriously disturbed doesn't get in the way some how.
 

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Karl Olson said:


Anyway, Chobits definitely invokes a lot of the same concepts AI does (which is sorta interesting as neither work had any effect whatsoever on the other.) Chobits just takes them in a slightly different direction, as it plays with the sexual relationship rather than the parental one (atleast as the main focus.) It also freely references some of the robotics issues Asimov played with as well (IE: Bicentennial Man type issues.) It's really what makes it more than most robot girl animes; it's got a real, classical sci-fi element.
lol thats neat.:) [saves pic]
i guess Chobits has a softer approch then a lot of robot girl anime.
Chii wasn't built to be a battle bot, a maid, or a sex toy. she was built as a daughter.
Mahoromantic is a maid/battle robot LoL but she acts quite human, you'd think her to be a cyborg.

Leaping Larry Jojo said:
Chii is human by pathetic geek standards who have never had girlfriends. That's why this show works, because it targets that audience. Arguing for the fact that she is essentially a fantasy love toy is useless in this demographic context.
:anime:
it seems so, that if there is no fanservice involved no one would bother with it. oyi...just looking at Chobits Doujinshi and Japanese fanart can tell you that.
i think CLAMP said Chobits was a story aimed at a female audience, but was switched to a male demographic while it was running [manga].
like i posted above. she wasn't built as sex toy, but that certainly doesn't stop anyone from thinking of her that way.
 
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Bunai said:
it seems so, that if there is no fanservice involved no one would bother with it. oyi...just looking at Chobits Doujinshi and Japanese fanart can tell you that.
Doujinshi is based on things ranging from those suggested by canon to things completely out of nowhere. I'm not sure why One Piece characters pop up in IruKa doujinshi or why the Fellowship of the Ring are sporting afros and Playboy Bunny suits or what sick mind drew mom/kid incest with Iron Giant charas.

CLAMP began in doujinshi and I think that's a key part of their work.The shoujo get all worked up by the prospect of pure love that's about the person first and sex second. The shonen? Cute girls in flattering clothes and a girlfriend who buys her man porn. CCSakura's relationship with Syaroan is closer to the shouen rival shounen ai theory (think Ash/Gary). And the most recent Tsubasa had a fan servicey shounen ai scene.
 

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CLAMP began in doujinshi and I think that's a key part of their work.The shoujo get all worked up by the prospect of pure love that's about the person first and sex second. The shonen? Cute girls in flattering clothes and a girlfriend who buys her man porn. CCSakura's relationship with Syaroan is closer to the shouen rival shounen ai theory (think Ash/Gary). And the most recent Tsubasa had a fan servicey shounen ai scene.
never saw their Doujinshi's but i know they did start out like that.
for their work now; they seem to take a more, romantic, cuddly...coy, teasing love when it comes to characters love interest. they don't push it to a extreme or add nudity just for the hell of it. they have style.

but yes...sometimes the world of doujinshi can be scary:anime:
 

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Having watched Chibits Special again I can cleraly say that the real star of Chobits is Sumomo!

Motives or not, it's realy her that makes this while thing enjoybale. The bleavable story physics/motives is mearly a bonus.

And while we're at it, why does Chi sound like she has a cold in the jp version?

Anyway to answer the question at hand, let's be honset, it's made illisitly clear that
Chi, inspite of her Chobit self leaning capabilites is, inspite of that, a normal persocom, in layman's terms, a robot with a computer tacked on. This meens that motives are out of the question. She is programed to do x, y, z. (Being involved in a releationship with Hediki was basicly a rewite of her programing in respect to her creators, correct?) so if you want to look at it that way, that is what is going down with Chi

or, at least that's how I see it anyway, and I'm reading the manga so it might be a moot-point anyway.
 

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Conan-san said:
Having watched Chibits Special again I can cleraly say that the real star of Chobits is Sumomo!

Motives or not, it's realy her that makes this while thing enjoybale. The bleavable story physics/motives is mearly a bonus.
I have to agree. That's why Chibits friggin rocked.