General Election 2008 Talkback (Please Read Rules Before Posting!)

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Who will you vote for President of the United States?

  1. Barack H. Obama (Democrat)

    72.7%
  2. John S. McCain (Republican)

    16.4%
  3. Other (Independent/Third Party)

    6.7%
  4. Abstain

    4.2%
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  1. The Landstander

    The Landstander Thanks ants. Thants.

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    Prediction Time

    Okay, one day left, time for EV predictions.

    I think Obama is winning but not the (complete) landslide that's been predicted. Predictions:
    - All the Kerry states, including PA, go to Obama.
    - Iowa and New Mexico flip easily.
    - A bit closer, but the midwest states of Colorado and Nevada and the ground game state of Virginia go to Obama's column, enough to seal the victory.
    - One of the bigger toss-up states go to Obama while the rest stay McCain. For the sake of argument, I think Ohio will wind up in Obama's favor while Florida, Missouri, Indiana and North Carolina stay for McCain.
    - Similarly I don't think any of the longshots for Obama (Georgia, North Dakota, Indiana, Arizona) will come through.

    All that considered:
    Obama/Biden - 311
    McCain/Palin - 227


    edit: d'oh!
     
  2. SirLemming

    SirLemming a playa in a world of NPCs

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    I don't think anyone will argue with you on that.
     
  3. Shawn Hopkins

    Shawn Hopkins TZ Member of the Year 2013

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    Shoot. You let his secret plan to rename Oklahoma after himself slip. He was depending on people not noticing.
     
  4. The Landstander

    The Landstander Thanks ants. Thants.

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    Also, Shawn, it was Ohio(bama).

    Well, fixed the typo, but now I'm wondering if this is still true when you use McCain's name.
     
  5. silverfox1027

    silverfox1027 Active Member

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    Um, I'm not sure where you're getting this info from. The only polls in which he underperformed were those in the Northeastern states and California (see: states he'll win anyway). He performed as well as expected in the industrial midwest and greatly overperformed in the Potomac region, the Northwest, and the South.

    In any case, I'm not a believer of individual polls, but when taken in the aggregate, they are good indicators of trends. And when every. single. poll shows Obama leading outside the margin of error, it's difficult for me to imagine any other reason for a McCain victory other than latent racism/xenophobia/Islamophobia/what have you. This is the definition of the "Bradley Effect," after all. I don't believe such a thing exists, but there's no precedent for comparison.

    As for tomorrow, predictions:
    Obama - 356
    McCain - 182
    -->Obama will hold PA, but narrowly.
    -->McCain will hold AZ, NC, MO, and IN, but narrowly.
    -->Obama will win in VA due to high turnout in NoVa.
    -->Obama will also win FL and OH due to high EV turnout.
    -->Surprises of the night? Obama victories in MT and GA, the former due to same-day registration and the Ron Paul effect, the latter due to ridiculously high black turnout. Other southern states (SC, MS, LA) will have single digit margins, again due to high black turnout.

    Biggest margin of victory for Obama: Washington, DC (95-5)
    Biggest margin of victory for McCain: Oklahoma (75-25)

    Clearly, I think high black turnout is the wildcard factor in this election.

    Thing I'm most excited for: Sarah Palin being shipped back to Alaska. I don't think I've ever hated a politician more than I hate her.
     
  6. BonyT

    BonyT Sisyphus in Hell

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    MAN you Dems are sly devils.
     
  7. SirLemming

    SirLemming a playa in a world of NPCs

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    "You dems" is also funny-sounding.

    FYI
     
  8. BonyT

    BonyT Sisyphus in Hell

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    Well, we aim to tickle your funny bone. Glad to hear from another satisfied customer.
     
  9. Shawn Hopkins

    Shawn Hopkins TZ Member of the Year 2013

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    Drudge loses it:

    http://gawker.com/5075098/drudges-last-campaign-bombshell-obamas-secretly-rude

    Pranking Sarah surprisingly easy.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6168777&page=1

    She won't release her medical records.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/03/palin-campaign-stonewalls-on-medical-records/

    McCain rallies are drawing literally thousand, well, at least one thousand.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...raws-small-florida-crowd-on-race’s-final-day/

    And finally, McCain himself is taking on Obama on this coal thing, which is just outrageous. McCain is no more a friend of coal than Obama is.

    http://www.umwa.org/index.php?q=news/mccain-no-friend-coal-op-ed
     
  10. The Huntsman

    The Huntsman Friend of Toon Zone

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    I encourage those who are registered to vote to actually go and vote tomorrow. Whether you support Barack Obama or John McCain, this is an extremely important election and it is in the best interest of the country for as many people to let their voices be heard. This thread may have become heated on one occasion or another, but tomorrow, the only wrong decision that you can make is not voting at all. That said, I have faith in the general public and I hope that we can keep this thread civil, regardless of who wins.
     
  11. BonyT

    BonyT Sisyphus in Hell

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    I was watching live coverage of McCain in Bristol VA today at lunch. He apparently drew a large crowd there, according to the reports (although I didn't hear an actual crowd estimate).

    Well said.
     
  12. Shawn Hopkins

    Shawn Hopkins TZ Member of the Year 2013

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    Or voting third party. Seriously. You might as well stay home and get high.

    P.S. That's sort of an MC Chris reference, not a reason to get mad at me.
     
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  13. The Landstander

    The Landstander Thanks ants. Thants.

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    =(

    No news story to link to yet but it's breaking now that Obama's grandmother just died.

    What a shame. :(

    edit: Got a link
     
  14. Kevin

    Kevin Active Member

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    I just heard about it. My deepest condolences go out to Obama and his family. Of all the days for her to pass away too.
     
  15. tb4000

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    RIP to her, indeed. I was hoping she'd be alive to see the outcome of this.
     
  16. Wounded_Dragon

    Wounded_Dragon Active Member

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    I'd hoped she'd make it to the day. It's just a feeling on my part, but it feels to me like that must've been why she was holding on.
     
  17. GWOtaku

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    Damn, that sucks. Needless to say, my deepest condolences go out there. Well, it's a good thing Obama made time to see her recently.
     
  18. Daxdiv

    Daxdiv Does this look like the face of mercy?

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    Don't worry, I'll do my part, It will be the first thing I do after I get out of class, or if class is canceled, I'll just go to my designated polling place. I just need to bring my card with me. I know who I'm voting for, and I thank this thread for the times it was civil to see fair and balance judgements from both sides of the field.

    As for Obama grandma dying... ohhh.... Sorry to hear about that.
     
  19. Zach Logan

    Zach Logan We are Maji!

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    This thread will stay open until midnight, then we'll have one final push.

    Make sure to get your votes in on the above poll before Election Day!

    Tomorrow we'll have a thread for just election day, since this thread is far too large to contain that, and we'll have a live AIM chat in addition to that if I can get that together!
     
  20. J'onn J'onzz

    J'onn J'onzz Best Male Member '08

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    My electoral prediction:

    Obama/Biden 356
    Obama wins Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico, Virginia, North Dakota, Nevada, Ohio, and Florida

    McCain/Palin 182
    McCain wins Arizona, Indiana, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina and Georgia

    Indiana, North Dakota, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, and Ohio could go either way, though.
     
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