1. Enter for a chance to win the Captain America Blaster Shield and two POP Vinyl figures from FUN.com! Details here.
    Dismiss Notice

"Black Lightning" Season One Talkback (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'DC Live-Action Movies and Television' started by The Penguin, Jan 16, 2018.

  1. The Penguin

    The Penguin All Hail the King!
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2001
    Messages:
    44,365
    Likes Received:
    19
    DC's first black superhero makes his live-action debut tonight at 9 p.m. ET on The CW. The premiere episode is scheduled to air again this Friday at 8 ET.

    'Like' on Black Lightning Facebook
    'Follow' on Black Lightning Twitter

    [​IMG]
    Jefferson Pierce (Cress Williams) is a man wrestling with a secret. As the father of two daughters and principal of a charter high school that also serves as a safe haven for young people in a New Orleans neighborhood overrun by gang violence, he is a hero to his community. Nine years ago, Pierce was a hero of a different sort. Gifted with the superhuman power to harness and control electricity, he used those powers to keep his hometown streets safe as the masked vigilante Black Lightning. However, after too many nights with his life on the line, and seeing the effects of the damage and loss that his alter ego was inflicting on his family, he left his Super Hero days behind and settled into being a principal and a dad. Choosing to help his city without using his superpowers, he watched his daughters Anissa (Nafessa Williams) and Jennifer (China Anne McClain) grow into strong young women, even though his marriage to their mother, Lynn (Christine Adams), suffered. Almost a decade later, Pierce's crime-fighting days are long behind him... or so he thought. But with crime and corruption spreading like wildfire, and those he cares about in the crosshairs of the menacing local gang The One Hundred, Black Lightning returns - to save not only his family, but also the soul of his community. Based on the characters from DC, BLACK LIGHTNING is from Berlanti Productions and Akil Productions in association with Warner Bros. Television, with executive producers Greg Berlanti ("Arrow," "The Flash"), Salim Akil & Mara Brock Akil ("Being Mary Jane," "The Game," "Girlfriends"), and Sarah Schechter ("Arrow," "The Flash"). The Black Lightning character was created by Tony Isabella with Trevor Von Eeden.

    Tonight's episode...

    "The Resurrection" - Series Premiere
    Tuesday, January 16, 2018 @ 9 p.m. ET/8 CT on The CW
    Almost a decade later, Pierce’s crime-fighting days are long behind him…or so he thought.

    CWTV.com - Black Lightning
     
  2. hobbyfan

    hobbyfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2002
    Messages:
    13,543
    Likes Received:
    158
    Good start. Cool soundtrack. It helps that Tony Isabella was very active in making sure Black Lightning was true to his original concept.

    In a way, it updates Isabella's original story from the late 70's, as this time Jeff Pierce had already been a hero before he signed on at Garfield High. The current comics have the story in Isabella's hometown of Cleveland, but a N'awlins suburb? To each their own.

    This may make the other Berlanti-verse shows look weaker than they are. It's that good.
     
  3. Road to Gotham

    Road to Gotham Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2003
    Messages:
    2,318
    Likes Received:
    72
    Yeah, BL is off to a good start. Like the street level feel.
    Also it was well cast.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2004
    Messages:
    22,678
    Likes Received:
    585
    Black Lightning "The Resurrection"

    I freaking loved it. I cannot say enough good things about this series. I have to see more before I'll be able to write more in-depth reviews, but I think this was awesome. *****.
     
  5. classictoonami

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2013
    Messages:
    268
    Likes Received:
    5
    I watched this show too it was a blast!!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Wonderwall

    Wonderwall Moderator
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    16,609
    Likes Received:
    115
    I liked it, I have one complaint though and it's probably one that can't be fixed and I feel will always hold it back. It's too clean, you want me to believe that this place has 100+ shootings in a weekend, yet it looks that nice. Not buying it. This show needs to look like The Wire. It's a similar problem I had with Constantine back a few years ago where things just look too "clean"

    Some of the dialogue was pretty cringey but not as bad as Arrow or The Flash which are just mind numbingly bad in that department. The suit also looks...pretty stupid, which is funny because the classic BL suit in the security footage looked pretty cool. Minor nitpick there.

    Cast is solid though, and the main villain in Tobias Whale has potential. I'll stick around as I feel that even though its got a few rough edges, there's some good stuff here. Oh and excellent song choice with "Ain't No Love in the Heart of the City" near the end.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. The Penguin

    The Penguin All Hail the King!
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2001
    Messages:
    44,365
    Likes Received:
    19
    If you're a TV-watcher/recorder only, there is no replay this week. New Black Lightning, tonight at 9 p.m. ET on The CW.

    [​IMG]
    "Lawanda: The Book of Hope"
    Tuesday, January 23, 2018 @ 9 p.m. ET/8 CT on The CW
    As the community struggles with the violence surrounding them, a glimmer of hope appears: Is Black Lightning back?
     
  8. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2004
    Messages:
    22,678
    Likes Received:
    585
    Black Lightning "LaWanda: The Book Of Hope"

    First off, that was not as good as last week. Which is something I expected. Second episodes are never as good as Pilots, especially if the Pilot is great. That is by design. No, what concerns me is that it was FAR less good than last week. Probably because of the lack of superhero stuff during most of it. To be honest, I didn't like most of the first Iron Man movie either for this precise reason.

    But once Black Lightning enters the hotel things turn awesome. The doorman is friendly and happy to see him and it's like he never left. The elevator operation is helpful too. They still have those?

    I hate that they are showing Jennifer smoking and drinking. That's imitable behavior and I'll glad her boyfriend objected to the drinking but I'm miffed nobody mentioned the smoking. If Pierce has a daughter who is a smoker, he is a far less present father than he should be. He has the weight of the world on his shoulders. But he seems to be failing his family in small but real ways.

    For the record, Jen's new boyfriend seems quite a bit too familiar with her for a NEW boyfriend, and he's a bit too pushy for my tastes. It was very sweet how he asked to be her boyfriend, but he was pretty controlling in the scene in the gym.

    I love the big grin on Anissa's face as she puts the pills on the counter at the drugstore. That said her entire world was just changed and for the better. For a show that deals a great deal with empowerment, that was an excellent moment.

    I regret Lala dying because he's pretty much Joe Chill this episode, and I would have liked that fact to have bitten him in the ass years down the line. If he hadn't so thoughtlessly shot LaWanda, Black Lightning would not be back, or at least not on a permanent basis. He was basically the spark that ignited the return. He basically shot and killed the Waynes in that moment, and it annoys me that he and seemingly nobody else will ever know that fact. They shouldn't have killed the character off for the sole reason that keeping him alive would have been awesome for the mythology in the long run. Which bums me out.

    I am not sure I like the idea of Black Lightning's powers being an addiction. Is that from the comics? Because I do not want to have to feel bad every time I see Black Lightning kick butt the way I do whenever Killer Frost shows up on Flash. I don't like having to worry about a hero's mental health simply because they are using their hero powers. That strikes me as a mistake.

    It was good, but last week was amazing, so perhaps good isn't good enough. ***1/2.
     
  9. hobbyfan

    hobbyfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2002
    Messages:
    13,543
    Likes Received:
    158
    Not so sure about the powers being an addiction. That's just a speculation on Lynne & Peter's part. It's more of a traumatic thing that made BL walk away the first time.

    Latavius is already gone, so is Lawanda. Let's remember this isn't the same as the rest of the Berlanti-verse shows, this falls more toward real life drama. Collateral damage in the war, that's all. Latavius getting killed by Whale is just story progression. Whale doesn't want him talking. Definitely the Kingpin clone he was meant to be, but not as big in size as in the books. Then again, they did the same thing with Kingpin (Vince D'onofrio) on Daredevil, reducing the mass in exchange for extra aggression.
     
  10. The Penguin

    The Penguin All Hail the King!
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2001
    Messages:
    44,365
    Likes Received:
    19
    Check in on the State of the City of Freeland on a new Black Lightning. Tonight at 9 p.m. ET on The CW.

    [​IMG]
    "Lawanda: The Book of Burial"
    Tuesday, January 30, 2018 @ 9 p.m. ET/8 CT on The CW
    As Jefferson Pierce tries to determine if the community can survive without the help of Black Lightning, Anissa starts to come into her own.
     
  11. hobbyfan

    hobbyfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2002
    Messages:
    13,543
    Likes Received:
    158
    Talk about taking back the night. Actually, a march like that should've been in the daylight.

    Krondon's facials as Whale prove what I've said before. Not only is Whale a Kingpin clone, but Krondon must've studied Vincent D'Onofrio's portrayal on Daredevil for effect.

    Apparently, Thunder's soon to debut. That should be good.
     
  12. Road to Gotham

    Road to Gotham Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2003
    Messages:
    2,318
    Likes Received:
    72
    The music on this show sure sets the mood for the scenes. Often the songs are good choices.
    The Dinner scene with Jefferson, Lynn, and Jennifer was funny. If I had a teenage son or daughter I would probably react the same way.
    That was a cool set design of the city that Gambi had built to use for their battle plans.

    Grace Choi makes her 1st appearance on the show.

    http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Grace_Choi_(New_Earth)
     
  13. Dudley

    Dudley Moderator
    Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2003
    Messages:
    28,056
    Likes Received:
    629
    And with a police escort. I saw a “march against violence” at my home town and the police were present.
    The police force on this show sucks. Why hasn’t SWAT or the FBI shown up?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  14. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2004
    Messages:
    22,678
    Likes Received:
    585
    I don't get a Kingpin vibe from Whale. Wilson Fisk was actually sympathetic, wanted what was best for the city in his own messed up way, and was loyal to the few people who were loyal to him. I get nothing like that from Whale. He's a monster.

    Black Lightning "LaWanda: The Book Of Burial"

    Last week was underwhelming but the show is back to great. They seem awfully stingy with the Black Lightning superheroics at this point, but this episode worked when last week's didn't, because the non-superhero stuff was actually interesting.

    Which was an understatement.

    Seriously. How awesome is Jennifer for telling her parents ahead of time where and when she planned to have sex for the first time? Jefferson complains that her doing that is "a white person's mess". But he's wrong. I suspect there are very few white girls Jennifer's age who are quite such fierce warrior goddesses. That was awesome.

    And I love Jefferson worrying poor Kaleel that he's going to give his daughter a sexually transmitted fungal infection based upon the way he dries himself in the shower. If that was the plan all along, Jefferson is the luckiest mofo ever. Because there is nobody I have ever heard of who actually dries their feet first, or uses the same towel that was on the floor. Every single time I'm seen someone take a shower in either a gym or on TV, the hair is the first thing dried, followed by the body. Then the arms and the legs and feet last. Jefferson's entrapment there would only work on maybe one person in a hundred.

    I like Reverend Holt a lot. I like Reverend Holt because the show is willing to say he isn't perfect. When Henderson points out he owns an expensive watch and a silk handkerchief, suddenly his motives are a bit suspect to me. Until he completely without pretense lays it on the line to Jefferson that he's actually doing it for the community. I love that and I love that I was allowed to be surprised by that.

    I question Tobias' wisdom as a mob boss. I think he probably sucks at his job. Yeah, his men fear him after he does stuff like impaling their hands on tables to send a message, but that is not how you earn respect or loyalty among your followers. Henderson is probably not the only clean cop in the city. Whale's shabby treatment of his men just makes it all the more likely one of them will flip because they'll stop thinking protecting a racist scumbag who stabs them for fun is actually worth it.

    Speaking of racist, I don't approve of Anissa dancing with another girl before she actually bothered to break up with Shanelle. But Shanelle immediately pointing out the girl was Asian to make her feel inferior shows that Anissa losing this creep was long overdue. I don't exactly ship and Grace yet. But it's hard for me to muster ANY sympathy for Shanelle as long as she is using racism to publicly humiliate another woman. So good riddance.

    Where are the cops at the march? C'mon people. I know they are dirty, but they aren't ALL dirty. Where is Henderson?

    I love Lynn apologizing at the end for suggesting Jennifer move in with her. Most people would not bother to do that. I can picture nobody on Team Arrow doing that besides Felicity. People tend to chalk moments like that up to the heat of the moment and don't really either explain themselves or expect an apology or forgiveness. People in relationships just sometimes say sucky things and would rather just drop it than admit they suck. But since Lynn acknowledged she was wrong, that means I'm rooting for her and Jefferson in a way I wouldn't be if she didn't do that.

    DC canon alert: Grace is reading a DC Outsiders comics and Anissa and her suggest that Supergirl is a fictional character, which pushes this firmly out of the Arrowverse. I am not dumb enough to believe they'll NEVER do a crossover (the DC Multiverse as set up on The Flash makes it inevitable) but it strikes me that by making all of the DC characters fictional in this universe, they are making it a LOT more complicated down the road when the producers cave and put Black Lightning in the yearly Crisis crossover. They are just asking for trouble with that. I think the writers did that to cast the die and said there will NEVER be a crossover. But they're gonna cave next season. I know it. And instead of looking fearless, they are going to have egg on their faces as they try to untangled what they just did.

    The producers also promised no superpowered characters ever in The Arrowverse during Arrow Season 1. And we see how that promise went.

    Plus, how can DC Comics be fictional in this Universe? Black Lightning is a DC character, as is Tobias Whale. If the show were based on Static, they'd have some wiggle room to make the Milestoneverse separate from the DCverse, but Black Lightning's a legit DC character. I don't understand why he and Whale are supposed to be real, and no-one else is. Have The Outsiders in the comic book seriously never heard of Black Lightning? Because that seems like an oversight to me. Just sayin'.

    This episode was still fabulous. ****1/2.
     
    #14 Fone Bone, Jan 31, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2018
  15. hobbyfan

    hobbyfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2002
    Messages:
    13,543
    Likes Received:
    158
    The first mistake from the writers on this show.
     
  16. Otaku-sempai

    Otaku-sempai Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2010
    Messages:
    1,687
    Likes Received:
    556
    That doesn't bother me; but, I was born in the Silver Age when the favorite comic-book character of young Barry Allen was Jay Garrick, the Golden-age Flash.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. hobbyfan

    hobbyfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2002
    Messages:
    13,543
    Likes Received:
    158
    Week 4:

    Nothing really special, other than Whale trying to mislead Khalil.

    Unlike Flash, which will either be in reruns or pre-empted for 2 weeks due to the Olympics, Black Lightning rolls on with new episodes all month long.
     
  18. reflection01

    reflection01 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2005
    Messages:
    3,292
    Likes Received:
    104
    Or plot point. All it takes is Jennifer saying to Henderson, “Where were you when Khalil got shot?”

    They’ve set up a lot of backstory to cover especially with Gambi, Whale, and Eve.
     
  19. Fone Bone

    Fone Bone Matt Zimmer

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2004
    Messages:
    22,678
    Likes Received:
    585
    Black Lightning "Black Jesus"

    I feel like the last ten minutes of that were not very strong. I was very surprised when the episode ended when it did, because Arrowverse shows usually build to that.

    I love the idea that Tobias Whale is a black albino. It will make rewatching the season a lot of fun. I will undoubtedly see his racial comments entirely differently now. Is his actor black and just wearing white make-up? Because just based on how he sounds and looks I feel like I should have figured that out before his sister showed up.

    I think his sister's plan to turn Kaleel is a good one... Or it would be if Tobias had let her in on a crucial fact: He was the one who actually shot Kaleel. I assumed if she had known that she would have done something entirely different and not involved Kaleel at ALL. She doesn't strike me as stupid, while Tobias does. And it's because Tobias is stupid which is why he's dumb because he never told her he was the shooter. Because she'd be smart enough to know that the truth would actually come out to Kaleel someday, and there is no amount of polishing that particular turd. If Sister Whale had known Tobias was the one who shot Kaleel, she would have kept him as far away from any plan to turn the city against Black Lightning as possible.

    Do you know what my favorite moment in the episode was? It might have been my favorite moment on the series so far. But the amused look on Cress Williams' face as Anissa talks up Black Lightning at the Henderson's dinner table was absolutely delightful. He's about to crack up, but for obvious reasons cannot. He wants to punch the air so badly, but he can't. It was very endearing. But it is obvious he has never been prouder Anissa was his daughter.

    Did Gambi actually recognize Anissa on the footage? Is that why he went to the crime scene? TBD...

    Here is a tough opinion: I don't think a kid who goes to school high and then attacks the principle is someone who shouldn't be expelled and not be able to go to college. Jefferson is pretty much the most amazing principle ever, but I saw the ending coming, and the thing I regret most about it was that Jefferson essentially wasted his entire political capital on that kid for nothing. The episode tries to play it like Bernard is going to get better, but even if he is, it is clear to me that Jefferson made the wrong choice in saving him rather than the future kids he could have wound up saving, who would have deserved his help.

    Don't worry, Anissa. I'm sure Black Lightning accidentally nearly killed some dudes when he started too.

    I love Two-Bit's negotiation with Black Lightning. Even if he wasn't Jefferson's friend, if I were Black Lightning, I would not have called the cops either. He argues the unfairness of the 3 strikes law. It's interesting that as he's negotiating whether or not he deserves to be knocked out, he gets on a bit of a political soapbox. If 3 strikes laws were applied fairly, and only counted towards really bad offenses, they'd suck, but they'd have a value as a deterrent. As it stands, a black man can spend his entire life in prison for being caught smoking weed three times. Two-Bit being a dealer of a dangerous drug is clearly way worse than that. But I also don't think it's something worth a life sentence.

    If Black Lightning had a better sense of humor, he would have allowed Two-Bit the selfie. It's hilarious that even the criminals love Black Lightning, and what he represents to the community. But Jefferson is probably thinking that the less footage of him that is out there, the less likely he is to get caught. But if he had posed, I wouldn't have faulted him. It was pretty funny.

    What was Lady Eve doing to that kid on the table? Scary.

    Good for the first three quarters, and sort of limped out at the end. ***1/2.
     
  20. Otaku-sempai

    Otaku-sempai Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2010
    Messages:
    1,687
    Likes Received:
    556
    Marvin "Krondon" Jones III really is an albino Black man, as was Tobias Whale in the original run of Tony Isabella's Black Lightning. Isabella has walked back on the albinism aspect of the character as being unnecessary and possibly distracting in his reboot of the comic.
     

Share This Page

  • Find Toonzone on Facebook

  • Toonzone News

  • Comic Book Solicitations

  • Toonzone Fan Sites


Tac Anti Spam from Surrey Forum