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Discussion in 'The DC Comics Animation Forum' started by James Harvey, Aug 15, 2017.
Good point but Return of the Joker was awesome.
It was, but that whole movie seemed more natural to me than some of the PG-13 stuff in Batman and Harley Quinn. I don't have a problem with that stuff, it's just more of how it's used.
It's been awhile since I thought about this movie but I think the point was always to make a comedy, not a typical DTV. But I wonder if this movie would have been better received if it was a stand alone with new designs instead of going back to the classic.
I actually think you're 100% right, I bet it would have been, at least a little. Granted, this isn't me saying I dislike the movie, or dislike that it can be considered DCAU, I just think it has some problems. But I digress, that's been covered a few times.
Using the classic designs made the borrowings from "Harlequinade" and other episodes more obvious (and thus emphasized how derivative and pointless the film was), but different designs wouldn't have made weak gags funnier.
That's true in a way, but certain jokes would have seemed less out-of-universe for a lot of people if that movie was its own universe/style, and not being compared to the shows that came before it. It'd be easier to laugh instead of thinking, "...well, y'know, that's kinda odd for <insert character here>" Although I wasn't initially referring to the gags directly, as much as the PG-13 content in general.
It would have taken away a lot of needless distraction and talk about continuity and characters like Harley and Ivy being recast (even though Sorkin had long retired). I think that muddled the initial reception to movie more than anything. I agree with you it wouldn't have necessarily made the weak gags better but it would have been divorced from animation fan nostalgia and judged on its own merit the way the Batgirl prologue in Killing Joke was criticized. Imagine if Killing Joke was done in the Timm style, the negativity for that prologue would have soared.
It may be a bit delayed, but Watchtower Database has finally released our timeline analysis of the movie
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