Apu might be dropped from The Simpsons

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  1. Daikun

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebr...de-from-apu-in-wake-of-controversy/ar-AAwiTOZ

     
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    It's funny, before that documentary, nobody seemed to care one way or the other about Apu.
     
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    I didn't notice the Apu documentary until after the episode featuring that scene was aired. Whatever The Simpsons staff do about the situation it could go either way but if Hank is willing to step down I doubt they will be able to keep Apu around afterward, unless of course they get a new Voice Actor but rarely that ever happens.
     
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    According to what I heard in the news covering the issue, Indian kids were teased and being compared to the character.

    In my honest opinion, I don’t have a problem with Apu. I feel they’ve fleshed house him out over the years to be more than just an Indian with a thick accent working at a convenience store.
    But in terms of handling the character, giving him an overhaul (in whatever way that could end up being) would seem too obvious of a move to quell the controversy. I think it’ll be best to phase him off as quietly as possible.
    And by that I mean, reduced to non-speaking cameo appearances, probably avoid having him appear at the Kwik-E-Mart. If they can manage to avoid showing who teaches Bart’s class now, then surely can accomplish that.


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  5. Fone Bone

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    I hate the character and find him offensive. The best thing they can do is kill him off or have him move away. Somebody else can run the Kwik-E-Mart.
    That's actually not true. A more accurate statement is "No white people seemed to care one way or the other about Apu."
     
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    I saw the documentary, it was quite a bit one-sided but made some interesting points. One interesting observation I made; if you notice, almost all of the Indian-Americans in the documentary are entertainers who are trying as hard as they can to break common stereotypes, and really are going through the same struggle other minorities had to go through. But if you go onto the Internet, most working-class Indian-Americans, including the archetypical convenience store owners, range from liking the character to not seeing him any differently from any other Simpsons character. If anything, the only thing they agree upon is that the voice is grating. If there's any concession, at least having a VA that knows more about what they're doing makes sense.

    But for the time being, it's best to treat Apu no differently from any other Simpsons character as far as the majority opinion goes. As long as they have material that works, keep him around. If he stops delivering or becomes too much of a liability for the show, then they can start talking about change.
     
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    You might as well end the series if that happens.
     
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    I'm skeptical that they're really going to do something to be in line with current sensibilities. For a while now, both the Simpsons and Family Guy have made many clickbait announcements but in practice just end trolling the audience (The contest for the new character that they ended up killing in 5 seconds, the established "character" that was going to die, yet it was rather irrelevant; the divorce episode that end with non-sense; killing Brian in Family Guy only to revive it two episodes later, and so on). Kind of "pissing of all possible audience" instead of "propossing new stuff that people may eventually genuinely like".

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    The series has continued without Troy McClure, Lionel Hutz, Maude Flanders, and Edna Krabappel. It can manage without Apu.
     
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  10. ShadowBeast

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    I hope the character isn't dropped. I find the criticism towards the character to be nothing but PC-nonsense. The show is full of stereotypes anyway, so it's not like Apu is the only one. Apu hasn't even been in any major storylines in quite a while as well. We've gotten more Krusty episodes recently than Apu episodes. As for a white person voicing Apu, It's not like it isn't uncommon for a voice-actor to voice characters of different colors. Zuko from Avatar is voiced by a African-actor, and Cleveland from Family Guy is voiced by a white-guy. I certainly wouldn't have an issue of an indian voice actor voicing a character of a different race.
     
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    Political correctness is just another word for what my mama called "being polite". That should not be an unfathomable burden for anyone. If actual Indian people are really offended by Apu, he should be dropped. It's not like he's a good character anyways.
     
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    Actually, Dante Basco (voice of Zuko) is Filipino-American. The actor who played Zuko in the live action film (Dev Patel) is apparently English. Everything else you said is on point. Adding onto it, we have the titular Samurai Jack , a Japanese man, voiced by Phil LaMarr , an African American voice actor, and there's no controversy there. There should be no controversy here. I haven't seen the documentary, so I can't comment.
     
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    The guy who made the documentary put it like this: "Apu sounds like the white guy who makes fun of my father." You can't get more personal than that.
     
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    Huh, I thought I saw in a magazine that the voice-actor for Zuko was black? The magazine must've made a mistake :sweat:. Thanks for the correction.

    Exactly! People are making a big deal out of something that wasn't meant to offend, but to make funny.
     
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    It doesn't matter what the intent was, what matters is the effect that it had.

    "I intended to shoot an apple off my son's head, buuuuuuut..."
     
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    I wonder if FXX will stop showing Apu-themed episodes.
     
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    And it took how many years before the effect started to offend? Apu has been around since 1990. The show has other stereotypes as well. So why should one race get special treatment over others? At least Apu, when given focus episodes is written with heart towards the character.
     
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    With the looming Disney acquisition, I feel they should have a final season then a movie. I haven't watched the show in years, so I'm certain I can live without it.

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    You thinking Indians get special treatment on television is part of the problem.

    Here's the bottom line. Apu sucks. He's not funny and never has been. He's been one of the crappiest characters in the entire show (besides perhaps Moe) and I would think that without the Indian gimmick or accent. There is literally no downside to losing a character this unfunny and boring. If The Simpsons would be worse for it, I'd get the resistance. But Apu sucks and always has.
     
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    Doesn't matter. Minstrel shows and WWII Japanese caricatures were deemed inoffensive (or at least acceptable) at the time they were made.

    Because Apu is essentially the most iconic and recognizable Indian character in American pop culture. Technically, that's not really The Simpsons' fault, but Apu has become kind of the go-to Indian in the mind of many Americans. That and because The Simpsons decided to (poorly) respond to The Problem with Apu documentary.

    Anyway, for more insight on this topic, I recommend a series of videos MovieBob has made on the subject. The first two parts are up with part three to come soon.


     
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