Note for the old-timers here...

[The Mad Hatter]

More new KWB shows premiered this weekend, which manage to elicit absolutely no response from those of us who were around when KWB was kicking serious butt.

Meanwhile, we've all gone ape over Samauri Jack.

Looks like we've officially moved on from the network that gave rise to this club...

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

New WB shows premiered?

(looks at previous statement) Hm, not the best thing to say.

[James Harvey]

That's a good point. I can remember talking about the newest episode of ANIMANIACS or BATMAN in here. As soon as BATMAN BEYOND leaves the net after this year, I'll have no reason to watch KWB anymore.

[Anthonynotes]

Outside of Batman Beyond (and maybe Jackie Chan ocassionally) there isn't anything on KWB of interest, at least in a way that appeals to older viewers like A! did....between no humor based shows and an action lineup aimed at single-digit-aged viewers, not much of interest to me on there anymore. Of course, IIRC, back when KWB started up, Cartoon Network was in its infancy (and hadn't yet started airing the shows people here are going gaga over like the PPG's and that "Samauri Jack" show, and the upcoming JLA 'toon)...quite the flip-flop.

-B.
Will probably have to spring for cable to get to see the JLA cartoon/the PPG's...though he probably won't spring for HBO/Showtime (despite shows on there I wanted to see)...

[Narfpinky]

Haven't watched KWB in about 18 months. Last thing I watched was The Sliced and Diced, Rearranged and Mangled Big Cartoonie Show.


>>Note for the old-timers here...

Sure makes me feel older than I am, poit.

[Sveven Dvorking]

Originally posted by Narfpinky
Haven't watched KWB in about 18 months.

I watched Kids WB last weekend. I haven't watched anything on Kids WB other than new Pokemon episodes in who-knows-how-long.

Since Pokemon and Digimon are both returning for another season, why take chances with new stuff?

[Jowy Blight]

Since Pokemon and Digimon are both returning for another season, why take chances with new stuff?

Beacuse Pokemon and Digimon won't be around forever (thank god!). I mean Fox Kids is having enough problems as it is, and Pokemon is almost finshed. So KWB needs something new they can milk til there's nothing left.

[Vin]

Boy were those the good ol' days. I remember that Hatter. I've changed my username various times before settling on this one, but I've been here for 3 or 4 years. It's been a long time coming. I'm actually thankful we are shifting to focusing on CN than Kids' WB! Kids' WB! has certainly gone to the dogs. We are the WBA shows anyways?

[Psycho Fox]

Yhea KWB is mostly dead now. I don't watch it any more.

"WBA made KWB. WB screwed it up"

[Jowy Blight]

With Samauri Jack and JL at CN's side, CN will have quite a bright furture. As for KWB, the less said, the better.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

Maybe if WB never canceled shows like Animaniacs, P&tB, Histeria, and any other Silver Age stuff it would not be in this mess...
....CN prospers because it treats it stuff with respect....exception being Scooby Doo, but every other show CN has it gives a chance....THAT'S why it does so well.

[James Harvey]

I can remember when the travesty that was THE BIG CARTOONIE SHOW was the huge talk around here, and I wouldn't blame you. What they did was beyond forgiveable.

[The Mad Hatter]

And before that, our biggest complaint was that Histeria didn't live up to expectations. Nowadays, that show could blow much of the lineup out of the water.

[Anthonynotes]

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
And before that, our biggest complaint was that Histeria didn't live up to expectations. Nowadays, that show could blow much of the lineup out of the water.

NO kidding to both the Cat and Cheney Dubya Bush-y HAL-Ain't-Here-y Big Boring Uneventful Year 2001 Show... (yeah, so I'm gettin' rusty....it's been awhile since I made up one of these names) and Histeria...now, even that slice-and-diced excuse for a clip show would probably be much preferable over the likes of Cubix/Pokemon/etc...

As for being glad re: a shift to CN, it's kind of distressing that the only good stuff to talk about from WB these days requires paying $30-40 a month for cable to watch it (let alone talk about it)...and since I don't have cable (yet, anyway), it doesn't make it too easy for me to talk about stuff like the PPG's/"Samauri Jack" (or actually, talk about it at all period, not having seen "Jack"). Then again, I guess AOL-TW would be getting money from me to fund their Poke-centric stuff in a way, since the local cable co.'s Time-Warner cable....

-B.

[Craig Marinaro]

Well, with JL, WBA seems to have officially switched over to CN. KWB has made it painfully clear that neither WBA's higher-brow shows, nor the fans of said shows, are welcome at their network. Nothing left but to move on.

I remember back when many of us used to tune in to the first few episodes of WB shows like Max Steel or Generation O!, even though we knew they'd be wretched, for pure laugh value (or at least, I did ;). But like a great joke that's been told one too many times, it's boring now.

We're at the tail-end of the '90's animation resurgence at this point...TV animation is reverting back to the cheapo cliches and platitudes that it leaned on in the '70's and '80's, but there are thankfully a few minds left in the animation world who haven't forgotten the lesson that a high-quality product can be worth the extra effort in the long run (Tartakovsky, McCracken, Groening...probably a few others). Glad we've got something.

-C
As opposed to live action TV, where I see absolutely *NOTHING* to interest me this coming season...

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Craig
We're at the tail-end of the '90's animation resurgence at this point...TV animation is reverting back to the cheapo cliches and platitudes that it leaned on in the '70's and '80's, but there are thankfully a few minds left in the animation world who haven't forgotten the lesson that a high-quality product can be worth the extra effort in the long run (Tartakovsky, McCracken, Groening...probably a few others). Glad we've got something.

Well I have to say that foreign animators are one step higher. R&D into better and better 2D animation software has allowed them to cut time and money for production making the suits more willing to experiment IE Watership Down, Redwall on the higher end of animation quality and Quads and others for uhhh lower end that use the software to really go cheap. You go to the small studios in Toronto now and you'll see Amiga 4000Ts and G4 Macs where simple animators desks were before

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

Sigh....those old animator's desks, replaced by cold machines....what happened to the good old days? But really, it's a pity the new animation rennasaince did a 180 and went into a dark age...no wonder animes are have really gotten popular.

....and Histeria! was always good!

....sorry. It's pretty much the only show worth watching on KWB, in my opinion....and my fav WB show overall. But still....what you said is true....even the Big Crappy-stupid-sappy-overall-clip-showey is preferable....BTW, I have not heard a single Gen. O! advertisement in a month....

...who knows? Maybe WB could get pathetic enough start showing old SchoolHouse Rock! Then again, Conjunction what's your function has a better ring to it than what WB could serve right now...

[Anthonynotes]

>>>Well, with JL, WBA seems to have officially switched over to CN. KWB has made it painfully clear that neither WBA's higher-brow shows, nor the fans of said shows, are welcome at their network. Nothing left but to move on.
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Apparently so...

>>>I remember back when many of us used to tune in to the first few episodes of WB shows like Max Steel or Generation O!, even though we knew they'd be wretched, for pure laugh value (or at least, I did . But like a great joke that's been told one too many times, it's boring now.
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Indeed....

>>>We're at the tail-end of the '90's animation resurgence at this point...TV animation is reverting back to the cheapo cliches and platitudes that it leaned on in the '70's and '80's, but there are thankfully a few minds left in the animation world who haven't forgotten the lesson that a high-quality product can be worth the extra effort in the long run (Tartakovsky, McCracken, Groening...probably a few others). Glad we've got something.
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Well, while the big animation frenzy's clearly running its course---outside of the "Simpsons" still being on the air and Cartoon Network, Saturday Morning/weekday afternoon animation does seem to be on a bit of a backwards slide...though the fact that Sat. AM is probably more or less dead/dying at this point (between NBC having pulled out of the race years ago and the three-hour educational requirement, CBS is only airing educational shows, leaving the competition between ABC [and an all-Disney lineup], KWB, and Fox) might be another factor. However, I think that thanks to the people you mentioned, the bar for TV animation's been raised overall, and even the most banal episode of a banal program like "Recess" is still probably better quality-of-animation-wise/writing-wise than some of what was churned out when I was a kid (that "Yogi Bear in Outer Space as a space-cop and doing disco dancing" show, anyone? :-)


>>>As opposed to live action TV, where I see absolutely *NOTHING* to interest me this coming season...


Um....uh...well, there's that "Smallville" show I want to see...uh, even if it does look to be "Dawson's Creek-with-superpowers" and Lex is the only interesting looking character. Beyond that, I guess there isn't anything else live-action (animated, the JLA cartoon is probably the only thing I want to see...). And I don't want to spring for pay-TV channels like HBO just to see what the fuss over "Sex and the City"/"The Sopranos" is about....


-B.

[The Mad Hatter]

That's true... the animation resurgence may be over, but I think we've got a way to go before we slip into another animation dark age. Cartoon Network is still churning out lots of good stuff, from JL to PPG to Samauri Jack to Space Ghost. The Simpsons continue to air, and despite our griping remains funnier than most live-action TV shows. Not to mention King of the Hill and Futurama. And, as was suggested, even the cruddiest shows on One Saturday Morning and Nick have more life to them than the average fare from the 70s and 80s. Things are slowing down, but we do have some outlets.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by BorgeoisBuffoon
Sigh....those old animator's desks, replaced by cold machines....what happened to the good old days?

What is wrong with that? you rather them go with Poké ripoffs? see those as you put it cold machines reduces the risk to aceptable leves for the suits