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    Didn't they try this already with the 3DO?
    Not even close. The 3DO was a single attempt at a console that failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daikun View Post
    Not even close. The 3DO was a single attempt at a console that failed.
    No, he's not that far off. The 3DO was a a set of standards that was licensed to and produced by multiple companies, and also pretty much open to any software developer that paid a small royalty fee. (even pornographers). It's not exactly the same because of the royalties the 3DO company collected, but the idea of decentralized hardware and software production is the same. The high initial price is, too ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Hopkins View Post
    No, he's not that far off. The 3DO was a a set of standards that was licensed to and produced by multiple companies, and also pretty much open to any software developer that paid a small royalty fee. (even pornographers). It's not exactly the same because of the royalties the 3DO company collected, but the idea of decentralized hardware and software production is the same. The high initial price is, too ...
    Interesting. I didn't know that.

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    I believe a similar strategy was employed with the Philips CDi, was it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cognitofalcon View Post
    I believe a similar strategy was employed with the Philips CDi, was it not?
    Sort of. CDi was developed by Philips and Sony to be a new disc standard, the interactive version if the CD. The idea was that the discs would work with any player that met the standard, and indeed many manufacturers made players.
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    Yeah.....what's supposed to be the appeal of those, again?! Why would anyone want one of these when they could get a standard PC and both game and do other things with the machine? One could hook a PC up to a television right now with the right equipment if you wanted to. I don't understand. Maybe a handful of years down the line cost will drive down and this will actually make sense.
    Manufacturers like higher margins on niche products which most computer manufacturers put gaming into (of course they sell far fewer gaming computers than business/general PCs so they aren't buying certain components in bulk). CyberpowerPC's prices seemed reasonable back when I was trying to price the cost to build a system. I didn't buy from them because I couldn't be sure of quality.

    The concept of SteamOS is to move away from Windows. Valve's biggest worry is that Microsoft will close off Windows and move everything to a closed-off App Store. A service like Steam couldn't exist.

    There's also some concern with the way Windows is heading with some design decisions such as the Metro UI (focusing on touch screen input) and the Windows Sound Stack (breaking old audio hardware).

    If Valve provides game support on Linux, it might attract more software on it such as video editing and office/productivity software.

    I think Steam machines are just for hype or for people who aren't comfortable modifying a system. Dual-booting seems a better method to transition from Windows to Linux. If Microsoft ever tries to close off Windows, SteamOS will be available as an alternative. SteamOS doesn't need to sell millions of units. It just needs to be available as a backup plan in case Windows is ever locked down. This is a long-term gambit on Valve's part.

    So don't go out and spend all your money on a Steam Machine just yet.

    See "Valve plays the long game again" for more on this.
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    The Master Race welcomes a new edition of the arcade classic, Gauntlet, to PCs this summer.



    This looks fun and the fact that it's being made by the developers of Magicka fills me with confidence that they won't screw this one up. Plus it's the first game in the new WB Games Vault line, which will be making games based on popular WB and Midway titles, so that's pretty cool. So many things to revive from the library are possible. A new Rampage game would be very sweet and there's been enough time since the World Tour version of the series to have a new take.
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    How much would it cost to build a PC to these specs? This is for Watchdogs.

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    Graphics: DirectX 11 graphics card with 2 GB Video RAM - Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 ti or AMD Radeon HD 7850
    DirectX: Version 11
    Hard Drive: 25 GB available space
    Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card with Latest Drivers
    Additional Notes: Broadband connection and service required for multiplayer mode. Supported Video Cards at Time of Release: nVidia GeForce GTX460 or better, GT500, GT600, GT700 series; AMD Radeon HD5850 or better, HD6000, HD7000, R7 and R9 series IntelŪ Iris™ Pro HD 5200
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    If you use buyxg.com you can customize a rig to a fair extent and see what various components cost as you go about it. I think the cheapest method might be their "AMD Eight Core Custom Builder" - I put the setup below together for $695, with the quoted core components (and a wireless network card added in under accessories). No operating system or monitor added in.

    If actually ordering from this place to have them build a PC for you (which I did once, & don't regret), at best you'd have to add on $65 for UPS ground shipping. Alternatively it's possible to get free shipping for the individual components from Newegg, provided one isn't like me and knows enough to be confident in getting everything needed and putting it together.


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    Hey, that's not bad, thanks. I'd probably build it myself, though. And if it's that cheap I'd throw more at it. I figure a new computer ought to at least be able to play current games on ultra.
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    Yeah. IMO, in terms of specs the two things you can't possibly overdo on this is video card memory and hard disk space. The second thing hasn't much to do with performance, but when Tomb Raider is 12 gigabyes and a beastly PC game like Rome Total War 2 demands 35 a dedicated library can add up real quick. And there's generally more bang for the buck the bigger you go.
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    Thanks for mentioning buyxg. I'd never heard of them before, but that is a pretty handy site. I'll have to give them a look when it's time for a new build.

    The msot I'd likely do for now is swap out my video card. My GTX 460 is nice, but it's getting old. That and I'd like to get an SSD at least for my OS and keep my SATA drives for data and stuff.

    Any SSD suggestions? I'm not really familiar with them, so I'm not sure where to start.
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    8 cores is a requirement? Wow, must be some game.

    As for OS, I'd recommend just outright buying a Win7 Ultimate full install. 8 is crap and will always be crap on anything besides a tablet. An os built for mobile doesn't benefit from eight cores.
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