Super Smash Bros 4 Speculation & Discussion

[jph139]

More than anything else... I'm hoping we get another Smash Bros. Dojo. I mean, Brawl was great - I don't have a single complaint about it, and I still break it out all the time. But the daily hype machine and speculations were as much, if not more fun than the final product. I haven't seen any other game get the same treatment, either, unfortunately.

[Astrolupine]

I'm a handheld kinda guy, so yes, bring on portable Smash.
I'm not quite sure if any new characters are coming, but *hint hint* another Metroid character, if you please.

With this and Sonic Generations, my considerations upon getting a 3DS has risen explicitly.

[Sirkenz17]

Bowser Jr. should be a playable, along with King K. Rool

Seconded on K. Rool.

And please let there be a Mario Galaxy stage on the WiiU version.

[Kiddington]

Request: make Fawful a playable character.

...please?

[Demonic Raven]

IF the WiiU can swing it, DLC would be an excellent idea. I say IF because the WiiU apparently won't have a Hard Drive, which means there won't be a great capacity for things like downloadable characters. We'll have to wait and see, but the prospects aren't exactly great.

Balance patches are what I'd love. Especially if they nerf Fox to oblivion.

j/k, but I really would love balance to be feasible this time.

Ooooh yes. Balance patches are necessary. Again, hopefully the WiiU will be able to swing that sort of thing.

The reason it's necessary, by the way, is because of.....METAKNIGHT. Good gravy, NERF NERF NERF NOW!

More than anything else... I'm hoping we get another Smash Bros. Dojo. I mean, Brawl was great - I don't have a single complaint about it, and I still break it out all the time. But the daily hype machine and speculations were as much, if not more fun than the final product. I haven't seen any other game get the same treatment, either, unfortunately.

Well, we have new Smashes on the way, and importantly...we have SAKURAI! Given how successful they were with drumming up hype last time using the Dojo, I doubt they would shy away from using it again.

The return of Japan Time, the return of Sakurai trolling, the return of confirmations, and speculation galore....goooood times.

[CyclonatorZ]

Firstly: really Nintendo, not even a tease of what we can expect, other than that we can expect this game at all?

Now, with that out of the way, here's what I want:

More Villians. I think the biggest problem with all the smash rosters is that they've been sorely imbalanced in favor of Nintendo good guys. Out of the 30+ character roster in Brawl, the only bad guys we had were Bowser, Wario, Ganondorf, Wolf, Dedede, and Meta Knight. I say keep all of them (yes, even Wolf), and add characters like King K. Rool, Dark Samus, Samurai Goroh, and at least one Metal Gear Solid villian (if Snake is returning). Another Legend of Zelda baddie would also be great, and reintroducing Mewtwo wouldn't hurt either. Between all of these new characters, the conflict in the potential new Story mode could get a lot more interesting. Speaking of which

An even better Adventure mode: Don't get me wrong, the Subspace Emmisary was an enormous step up from either of the previous games, but it was still a bit lacking in areas. The cast of normal enemies was limited to the generic Subspace goons and Mario characters, the stages got a bit repetitive at times, the actual world the story was set in was a bit boring, and Master Hand was reduced to being the dragon of the significantly less cool Tabuu. How to improve? One, add more enemies from series like Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, and maybe even Sonic. Second, create more interesting stages that are more closely themed after specific series. Have a stage that looks like the Mushroom Kingdom, a stage that looks like a Metroid cavern system, and so on and so forth. Three, give Master hand a more significant role, perhaps paired with Crazy Hand in one massive conflict. Oh, and last but not least: no giant maze of recycled areas at the end to pad out the length!

Better trophies: Okay, I think we probably all can agree that Brawl had some rather odd selections when it came to trophies. Some of the series (particulary Mario and Kirby) had far too many, while others (like WarioWare and Earthbound) had far too few. A more even distribution would go a long way towards improving the fanservice in an already fanservice-laden game.

A new significant gameplay element: this is the one that might prove the most controversial. Smash Brothers already has some of the best fighting gameplay around from my point of view, but after three series, it probably could use a bit of spicing up. There's all sorts of ways they could do this: making stages more interactive and/or destructible, allowing to attack in diagonal directions as well as horizontal and vertical directions, etc. But there's one idea that I thing could really be interesting without majorly altering the core mechanics: costumes. Rather than merely being skin overlays, costumes could actually play a part in the gameplay by altering certain attacks of characters. Mario, for instance, could have his regular costume, but also his ice suit, Tanooki suit, etc - and each of them would play a bit differently. I'm not taking about completely different movesets for each character, but just maybe changing one or two of their special moves and maybe a few of their smash attacks. I also realize this won't work with every character, as not all of Nintendo's stars regularly change costumes, but it could help to spice up characters who did. The ones I see working best with this are the mario brothers, Samus, Yoshi, and (if he is introduced) King K. Rool. However, since the movesets of some of the characters are largely made up, it could also extend over to less likely candidates such as Captain Falcon, Fox, and so on. Heck, some of the clone characters could simply be reduced to alternate costumes, particularly Wolf and Toon Link. Of course, this is only a rough idea of how it would work, but I think the idea has a lot of potential.

The return of Japan Time, the return of Sakurai trolling, the return of confirmations, and speculation galore....goooood times

Oh man, for all the frustration it sometimes caused me, I really hope JapanTime and the Smash Blog return in some form, as it would mean we'd get another round of the hilarious recaps that resulted from it. :anime:

[Desensitized]

Request: make Fawful a playable character.

...please?

Anyone not lisiting Fawful is wrong.

The #1 most needed Mario character.

Yes, even over Geno.

[Jave]

The boss villains in Subspace Emissary were a disappointment. The only Nintendo villains we got were Rayquaza, Porky, Petey Piranha and two Ridleys. I really hope we get more Nintendo villains as bosses in the next story mode. Characters like Zant, Kracko, the Black Knight, the Koopalings to name a few certainly deserve to show up.

[Blankments]

Considering the online focus Iwata mentioned of the WiiU, I'd be shocked if we didn't downloadable characters/stages. That was one of the most requested items for Brawl, and there's always some niche character that a bunch, but not the majority, of players want to have in it. Also, if guest fighters return, Mega Man is totally going be fighting Samus.

[Rynnec]

Request: make Fawful a playable character.

...please?

Anyone not lisiting Fawful is wrong.

The #1 most needed Mario character.

Yes, even over Geno.

I was so excited that I forgot about Fawful, shame on me. Okay, Fawful is now on my list. He's a villain too, so he'd make a great addition.

Here's hoping to more villains and females in this one.

[Kiddington]

Anyone not lisiting Fawful is wrong.

The #1 most needed Mario character.

Yes, even over Geno.

No doubt about that. The fact that he was omitted from Brawl is a crime in itself.

Do NOT make this mistake again, Nintendo.

[SSJ Jake]

Mainly I want Ryu as a guest character and Ridley as a playable character. After all if it wasn't for Street Fighter II, Super Smash Bros. might not even exist. As for Ridley he can be downsized to a playable character, especially considering he was originally no bigger than Samus due to programing constraints and that Bowser himself is downsized.

[Demonic Raven]

I'm happy that there's lots of people, and not just here, who are asking for Isaac or Matthew. I am seeing more demand for Isaac probably because he's more iconic. I think it would be pretty awesome if we got epic bearded Isaac, plus he wouldn't be like those other bishonen sword wielders. Awesome dad Isaac with a beard....hah!

I just realized that Sin & Punishment is in almost the exact same position as Golden Sun. It had a recent title, both series have characters with good potential in terms of Smash movesets, and we're not sure if they will include the more iconic father (Saki) or the more recent son (Isa). Either way, a Sin & Punishment character would also be an excellent addition. Hell, Saki practically had a whole moveset ready to go in Brawl (jumping around, shooting, and slashing) but he stayed an Assist! This time around is the perfect opportunity for either Saki or Isa to jump in.

[Radiant]

I'm happy that there's lots of people, and not just here, who are asking for Isaac or Matthew. I am seeing more demand for Isaac probably because he's more iconic. I think it would be pretty awesome if we got epic bearded Isaac, plus he wouldn't be like those other bishonen sword wielders. Awesome dad Isaac with a beard....hah!

I don't know. Given Isaac's role in Dark Dawn, I don't think that would be his age if he was chosen for this game. He would be the same age as he was in the original two.

I remember back in the pre-Brawl days (on another forum, I wasn't here... obviously.) we had this "Isaac for Brawl" topic and there would always be these members that would come in and say "we don't need another swordsman". I never understood that argument. Isaac's (and Matthew's) abilities are not limited to the swords. That's a very small part of how he attacks!

The moveset potential with Isaac/Matthew is great. I want to see one of them so bad. I would be so happy if the first trailer confirmed one of them right off the bat.

[Vyse]

I'm a handheld kinda guy, so yes, bring on portable Smash.

This. I'm, not sold on WU, but portable Smash Bros has been on my mind since Meelee. If there was one game that will force me into getting a 3DS, this was it other than a copy of Rock Band Unplugged. However, I am glad it will be a long ways off. My wallet would probably not handle it.

BTW, @Radiant, we did have a thread for Brawl speculations and pre-release news. It is the longest thread on VG.

[Desensitized]

The only other third party character I can see would be Mega Man. I'm still absolutely baffled that he wasn't in Brawl. Also now that Sega's brought back Classic Sonic, he better be a mute alt skin if he returns!

Stages I want back more than anything include some 64 stages. Bring back Peach's Castle and Dream Land, please. Smash 64's stages were so awesome. Melee stages... Bring back Onett, Big Blue, and Fourside. Everything else I can go either way.

[R-Taco]

Balance patches are what I'd love. Especially if they nerf Fox to oblivion.

j/k, but I really would love balance to be feasible this time.

Seconded times a million. No, TEN MAJILLION. A truly balanced Smash Game would be beyond super-cool.

[Punisher]

The number one thing that the new Smash Bros needs to improve upon is the online capability. Brawl's online was so crippled that it got less fun every time I played it. I think Nintendo would be wise if they included ranked and player matches, leaderboards, and-maybe-online based achievements/trophies. Not for KOing a certain number of people, maybe for a certain amount of time played online and things of that nature. The ranked and player matches would seperate the insane people that play online-you know, the Mario Kart Snakers and the like-and everyone else who just wants to have fun. And since games can move pretty quickly, make the online matches a best of four. Do away with the four bubble text taunts and include voice chat. If Nintendo did all of this, the new Smash Bros could very well be one of the greatest online multiplayer games ever created.

Realistically though, considering Nintendo's track record, I don't expect much, but will be very glad to be proven wrong on that assumption.

[McNugget]

IF the WiiU can swing it, DLC would be an excellent idea. I say IF because the WiiU apparently won't have a Hard Drive, which means there won't be a great capacity for things like downloadable characters. We'll have to wait and see, but the prospects aren't exactly great.

the Conduit 2 has a patching system and HVS is talking about patching new online modes (which theyve already semi done), levels, and theyve already fixed tons of glitches. if a third party company can do that on the wii, nintendo can easily do it on the wiiu, likewise im really hoping for balencing patches should need be, but hopefully that shouldnt become an excuse to rush the game out.

[Scirel]

Wii U Hard Drive is Irrelevent since it supports USB External Hard Drive, if I`m not mistaken.