Final Fantasy 7 Advent Children

[Gaspard]

I just got some news on the new final fantasy movie and I just tought I would tell everyone.All the playable characters are on it but Im not sure about
Cait Sith. Even Aires is on it. I read that Aires comes back from the dead
and before that she visits him in his dreams. Zack the person that saved cloud will be on it I not sure how though because hes dead. Even the Turks will show
their faces in the movie. Most importintly Sepheroths clones are the reason
its called advent children. But 3 of the clones manage to make an army to
destroy the world. With Aires coming back from the dead Sepheroth
came back with her.Thats all the information I got though.

[Pretentious]

Man, this movie will suck more than the game it's based off of.

gg Square, gg.

[Tash]

Man, this movie will suck more than the game it's based off of.

gg Square, gg.

I'm afraid I agree. (Except for that whole thing about the game sucking. Overrated: yes. Sucked: no.)

Why do they need to bring everyone back from the dead?

[Pretentious]

Gotta squeeze that cow dry of every ounce.

I mean, I'm not against sequels. I absolutely LOVED FFX-2 (despite never playing FFX) because there was just a sense of fun and light heartedness that seems to be non-existant in video games (especially RPGs) nowadays. It was nice to sit through a game that was goofy and didn't take itself too seriously.

Advent Children though...ugh. As if the environmentalism tossed in our faces every five minutes and the convoluted, horribly uninteresting plot of the game weren't enough, now we've got something that seems to be nothing more than every "deep" and "meaningful" anime ever done...right down to everything being grey and lifeless looking. Wonder how long it'll take for the evil, Christian-esque religion to show up.

[Artimus Gigan]

FYI Caitsith already died once...he's mass produced RC doll so it's more or less null(he was also alive at the end of the game)

Besides the Aeries thing is only rumored....nobody really knows if it's A) Flashback, B) Ghost, C) Aeries Model RCX-91 Custom Upgrade, D) Aeries really just came back from the dead


NOBODY HAS A CLEAR IDEA WHAT WILL HAPPEN

Though those Speh clones are probably just shortlived cannon fodder...they're not individualiostic enough to warrent being seperate longstanding characters...

think of them like stormtroopers...

All though what's really going around is that AC is just a really long introduction to Final Fantasy 7-2...

it's a set up...I mean they already have DoC set to go, so it's almost a given.

It's also not the first franchise to capitalise on a sequal in the series, Capcom has done that alot with Street Fighter II...

[James]

Gotta squeeze that cow dry of every ounce.

I fail to see giving what fans have been asking for years as squeezing a cow dry. If there was no interest and they were still peddling a franchise, fine. FF7 was massively popular, and while you may not like it, it's possibly the best game I've played in 23 years of game playing.

I mean, I'm not against sequels. I absolutely LOVED FFX-2 (despite never playing FFX) because there was just a sense of fun and light heartedness that seems to be non-existant in video games (especially RPGs) nowadays.

I agree with you there P. FFX-2 was WOEFULLY underrated. Get past the intentionally cheesy feel and then is a vibrant and non linear game bursting to get out. It does what I felt FF games were failing to do from FFVIII onwards: It gave a feeling of freedom. There are loads of side quests, loads of challenges and the story is fairly non linear from get go. I loved FFX for it's story and game system, but it was very, very rigid. FFX-2 gets too little praise simply on the basis of the main characters - IMO.

It was nice to sit through a game that was goofy and didn't take itself too seriously.

"Right on", as we Brits don't say.

Advent Children though...ugh. As if the environmentalism tossed in our faces every five minutes and the convoluted, horribly uninteresting plot of the game weren't enough, now we've got something that seems to be nothing more than every "deep" and "meaningful" anime ever done...right down to everything being grey and lifeless looking. Wonder how long it'll take for the evil, Christian-esque religion to show up.

Well, I think it's a matter of waiting till we see and not to judge it as rubbish or greatness when we have so little to go on. I have no issue with environmentalism as long as it's done right. We'll see. I'm hopefully. FF generally offers good quality so I remain confident this will be interesting at the very least.

[Artimus Gigan]

Pom Poko set the bar for all extremely enviromental messages in films to be judged

Therefore if it doesn't take the time to have the main character turn to the viewer and make a speech on the enviroment...it's therefore palletable


I think Arjuna pulled the enviromental message off with style, little tid bits here and there(asside from the PSA on the DVD) mixed with the constant action and character stories, it worked even though it was heavily opinionated...

So I mean it's entirely possable to have a movie or series work well with an enviromental message and come off as good...

Then again FFVII only had bits and pieces of the enviroment message in the game, most of the time it was SAVE THE WORD WITH GREAT JUSTICE AND GET ULTIMATE POWER BY MAKING CHOCOBOS HAVE SEX!

Yeah there's the whole fandom surrounding the game. but even though I've beaten pretty much the entire series I choose to ignore them...I mean I can't even stand those people...

[Gaspard]

I do think that they should have left everyone dead exept sepheroth.
There is some stuff that I did think was gay.
But I have a really bad fealling that Tiffa is going to be killed off.
But I think they should have thought about making FF 6 first or insted
of making a sequal they should have made pre sequal about
when sepheroth was good it sounds alot cooler.

[Artimus Gigan]

I do think that they should have left everyone dead exept sepheroth.
There is some stuff that I did think was gay.
But I have a really bad fealling that Tiffa is going to be killed off.
But I think they should have thought about making FF 6 first or insted
of making a sequal they should have made pre sequal about
when sepheroth was good it sounds alot cooler.

OK first off

No groups of high paying populice have any intrest in 6, infact no one aside from the people who either played the SNES or out of curiosity got the Anthology version really know about it

7 is still considered by most TEHGREATESTFFGAMEEVAH and therfore much like other franchises they are more willing to do a venture on it because it is more likely to make a profit return

Also sepiroth being goody goody in the beginning would sound like they ripped off star wars...

Also you can't kill Tifa....for she is sheilded by round rubbery objects able to deflect the harshest of blows. It's pretty much is the same case with The Grimmace...because he IS a round rubbery object able to deflect even the harshest of blows

[BrendaBat]

I'll definately pick this movie up. Even if the story sucks; at least it will look pretty. :anime:
I'm curious about what the dub will be like. Anyone here have any info about it? Will Mr.T play Barret?

I'm afraid I agree. (Except for that whole thing about the game sucking. Overrated: yes. Sucked: no.)

My sentiments exactly. I was lucky because, when I played FFVII (around 1999-2000), I was unaware of how massive its hype was. And I was such a newbie to RPGs that I managed to avoid the Areis spoiler. If I had been exposed to the scary FFVII fanbase before I played; I probably would have hated the game out of spite.
I'm glad that a sequel is being made because the game's ending was too open. For goodness sake, I didn't get to find out if anyone besides RedXIII survived!

I mean, I'm not against sequels. I absolutely LOVED FFX-2 (despite never playing FFX) because there was just a sense of fun and light heartedness that seems to be non-existant in video games (especially RPGs) nowadays. It was nice to sit through a game that was goofy and didn't take itself too seriously..

Yeah, I loved FFX-2, too. It was fun, the story didn't confuse me, and it had more re-play value than all the other Final Fantasies combined. I beat the game 3 times to get the 100% ending and it felt like a fun challenge instead of a frustrating chore. A lot of anal fans dismissed this game without even playing it just because it was a sequel/it had fan service/it had pop songs/you could only have Rikku, Yuna, and Paine in the party/whatever.

I also thought that playing a female lead was a breath of fresh air. After a while, angsty teenage boys with big-ass swords get kinda boring.

[peacebyanymeans]

I want to see this movie just for the action sequences. The story sounds retarded.

[Artimus Gigan]

I want to see this movie just for the action sequences. The story sounds retarded.

Meh despite the fact that Spirits Within blew plotwise I can think of many other movies that have had worse plots and gave more mixed feelings...


like Brazil for example...seriously I don't even think anything is a bigger WTF

Though I did enjoy Time Bandits a bit more

In the case of FFX-2 I really enjoyed it overall. People intitaly thought that the all female cast= divine sluttery. But really everything was handled tastefully, the only scene that I can think of that was even the utmost hint of fanservice was the 15 second hot springs scene, and that didn't even do anything risque. Rikku's default costume was more or less not played up even though it was just essentialy a bikini with a miniskirt and was pretty much the most revealing of the outfits(but really those braided clamped sleeves were real strange). However FFX-2 also featured the hardest challenge of the series which was the Via Infinanto that topped it off with the hard as nails Trema battle. Allthough I did have to keep the guide close at hand as I checked off the completion events so I could get 100% the first time around.

[James]

I'm glad that a sequel is being made because the game's ending was too open. For goodness sake, I didn't get to find out if anyone besides RedXIII survived!

I've never understood this, as stories go, this was pretty straightfoward in terms of cause and effect. The end does tease you all the way through, but in no means does it leave it open at the end.

If it was a film people would have accepted the ending to be far more linear than game fans do. Possibly because the nature of games demands that every letter is crossed and dotted for people to accept.. maybe the nature of the genre.

FFVII spoiler..

Spoiler:

The whole ending teases you. You know the planet will either a) remove humans period, b) allow them to stay. There is no half way. At the end we see Holy failing and suddenly the living spirit of the planet attacking meteor as the living essense of planet and being defends itself.

Beyond that, the battle between the planet and meteor is raging war and we finish with the onlookers on the airship watching, waiting for fate to decide which way it will play...

Enter credits. Do they live or die? It looks ambiguous. TV and film do this a lot. Give you a supposed ending and then offer a more definate encore. The encore that follows shows that a) Red survived. Certainly looks like Red and his family. We see Midgar is no longer used, implying either humans have died, or humans have rejected their abusive pollution... then we have confirmation as it fades out - human laughter. Humanity survived. The planet didn't wipe them out. People live on. That's the end. How they live and what happed to our heroes was unknown... until now.

Beyond that, all the character stories were wrapped up on the previous disk (with the slight exception of Vincent which was left fairly open). Cid got to go into Space, Red became protector, Cait changed his naughty ways, Barrett dealt with Corel, Cloud found out who he was, Tifa got the chance to be open to Cloud (and implied naughty things) and Yuffie wrapped up her village tale.

In all, it was actually quite a rigid ending.

Yeah, I loved FFX-2, too. It was fun, the story didn't confuse me, and it had more re-play value than all the other Final Fantasies combined. I beat the game 3 times to get the 100% ending and it felt like a fun challenge instead of a frustrating chore. A lot of anal fans dismissed this game without even playing it just because it was a sequel/it had fan service/it had pop songs/you could only have Rikku, Yuna, and Paine in the party/whatever.

Yeah, boys have an odd frustration thing with FF. They seem to really LOVE some of the girls, but HATE others. There seems to be about three camps of boys who hate various women for being sexy/slutty/teasy. There seems to be a sort of adoration yet utter frustrated hatred of the girls. As if they are disgusted for liking them and somehow like to try and sexually belittle the characters to make themselves feel more in control.. it's weird. I don't particularly like Rikku, but she's just a game character and not much different to Sephie/Yuffie et al...

I also thought that playing a female lead was a breath of fresh air. After a while, angsty teenage boys with big-ass swords get kinda boring.

Totally. Especially after Squall.... ><

[Artimus Gigan]

I've never understood this, as stories go, this was pretty straightfoward in terms of cause and effect. The end does tease you all the way through, but in no means does it leave it open at the end.

If it was a film people would have accepted the ending to be far more linear than game fans do. Possibly because the nature of games demands that every letter is crossed and dotted for people to accept.. maybe the nature of the genre.

FFVII spoiler..

Spoiler:

The whole ending teases you. You know the planet will either a) remove humans period, b) allow them to stay. There is no half way. At the end we see Holy failing and suddenly the living spirit of the planet attacking meteor as the living essense of planet and being defends itself.

Beyond that, the battle between the planet and meteor is raging war and we finish with the onlookers on the airship watching, waiting for fate to decide which way it will play...

Enter credits. Do they live or die? It looks ambiguous. TV and film do this a lot. Give you a supposed ending and then offer a more definate encore. The encore that follows shows that a) Red survived. Certainly looks like Red and his family. We see Midgar is no longer used, implying either humans have died, or humans have rejected their abusive pollution... then we have confirmation as it fades out - human laughter. Humanity survived. The planet didn't wipe them out. People live on. That's the end. How they live and what happed to our heroes was unknown... until now.

Beyond that, all the character stories were wrapped up on the previous disk (with the slight exception of Vincent which was left fairly open). Cid got to go into Space, Red became protector, Cait changed his naughty ways, Barrett dealt with Corel, Cloud found out who he was, Tifa got the chance to be open to Cloud (and implied naughty things) and Yuffie wrapped up her village tale.

In all, it was actually quite a rigid ending.

Yeah, boys have an odd frustration thing with FF. They seem to really LOVE some of the girls, but HATE others. There seems to be about three camps of boys who hate various women for being sexy/slutty/teasy. There seems to be a sort of adoration yet utter frustrated hatred of the girls. As if they are disgusted for liking them and somehow like to try and sexually belittle the characters to make themselves feel more in control.. it's weird. I don't particularly like Rikku, but she's just a game character and not much different to Sephie/Yuffie et al...

Bah the fangirls are way worse than the males...

"EVERY SINGLE GUY HAS TO BE GAY AND MAKE OUT OMG OMG OMG"

But what's universal is that they act like the characters are real people, it's like those Hentai dating game fans, they refer to the characters and treat them like they're real. It's incredibly creepy...

I mean I usualy liek the characters because of how they're designed...usualy the designs seems to portrays their personas well...

[Gaspard]

Youve got a point about the hentie dating games.
They freak me out espclialy after I caught my friend x-friend
masterbating to them.
Its disgusting.
But about the game I thought FFX was a lot better than FFX2.
The story was just briliant.

[James]

But about the game I thought FFX was a lot better than FFX2.
The story was just briliant.

I agree FFX had a better story, but then games which are very linear and fixed tend to be done so to create a more clear and concise storyline.

FFX-2 was meant to be very non linear and that was it's selling point. The story wasn't the key drive of the game and as such is far weaker than a game like FFX which was designed to tell a story than be a true non linear RPG experience.

[peacebyanymeans]

Youve got a point about the hentie dating games.
They freak me out espclialy after I caught my friend x-friend
masterbating to them.
Its disgusting.
But about the game I thought FFX was a lot better than FFX2.
The story was just briliant.

wait, he's not your friend anymore, because you saw him masterbating to hentai...

I do that all the time!

[Gaspard]

wait, he's not your friend anymore, because you saw him masterbating to hentai...

I do that all the time!

Well that wasnt anything the sick thing is that I saw his boner.
Who wants to see that crap.
Other stuff was his constant lying like [ I turn into an animal at midnight ]
He was flirting with his cousin and he tries to steal my collection
of gamecube games.

[Pretentious]

FFX-2 was meant to be very non linear and that was it's selling point. The story wasn't the key drive of the game and as such is far weaker than a game like FFX which was designed to tell a story than be a true non linear RPG experience.

FFX-2, for as bad an overall plot as it had, managed to do characterization as good as I've ever seen. Even minor characters (I mean, Lucille is one of my favorite characters in the entire game). And Paine is one of the best new characters I've seen in, well, anythng. She really needs to be the archetype for the "aloof badass" character.

[Artimus Gigan]

FFX-2, for as bad an overall plot as it had, managed to do characterization as good as I've ever seen. Even minor characters (I mean, Lucille is one of my favorite characters in the entire game). And Paine is one of the best new characters I've seen in, well, anythng. She really needs to be the archetype for the "aloof badass" character.

I think non-linear pretty much means lofty plot...I mean look at Zelda for instance...same plot for pretty much all the games

It was pretty much "here's what happens after big initial evil". It was character driven instead of story. Everything was broken up into segments and episodes. I mean Vegnagun wasn't even heavily featured until the final parts of the game. They didn't even have a cop-out ending(people were claming that they were going to take "it was just all a dream route"), I mean they pretty much resolved everything that was left hanging from the other game...

Thoguh it has one of the best damn endings ever....and probably the best after credit outro...

Also I was epcting Vegnagun to be some sort of Mammoth shaped thing with a second form being some sort of evil machine angel....but it was a giant evil machine Butterfly you took out in segments...


I mean I'd take another FF game in the vein of X-2....just as long as they make it easier to get 100%....I kept having to check and double check and make sure that I didn't press any buttons to zoom thru the text...I think they could do a FF8-2, that's got a fairly big following...or a FF7-2(or that could be a given)

Also I lived the lightning quick battle system...I mean I finished off most rounds in about 10 seconds