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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Liu View Post
    ShawnHopkins' original point is that some of those older people would be making porn about anything, no matter how overtly sexy or plain it was. If people are making Teen Titans porn, I do not think that the right answer is to cover up Raven, Starfire, or Beast Boy.

    Besides, the number of people who have watched cartoons with sexy characters drawn in them for decades without any serious deleterious side-effects. The number of people making porn about cartoon characters is vastly smaller than the number of people watching them, but you seem to be viewing the extreme minority as the norm.

    I also can't help but notice that you're zeroing in on the women exclusively, when characters like Tarzan or He-Man are running around in even less clothing. It cuts both ways.

    To answer the original question, no, I don't think that putting sexy characters in cartoons is some subliminal attempt to get kids to think about sex early.

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    A lot of parents object to how Raven and Starfire dress.

    They showed Lola Bunny flaunting her body in Space Jam-that was intentional.

    In Toy Story 2 they made jokes about Mr. Potato Head cheating on his wife with Barbie dolls.

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    That may be true, but covering them up or simply getting rid of them won't accomplish diddlysquat. Like I said earlier, it's impossible to prevent people from viewing things sexually. It's going to happen, regardless whether said cartoons are censored or not. To reiterate: anyone can be offended by anything. As long as there are fans, there will be fanservice. You can't stop people from drawing "sexy" pictures of cartoon characters any more than you can stop the rain.

    If something offends you, don't look at it. Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    A lot of parents object to how Raven and Starfire dress.
    Then those people don't need to be watching the show, and they have the option to simply turn it off when it comes on. The majority of kids don't care how those characters dress, and kids are the ones whom Teen Titans was aimed at, not uptight parents. Similarly, there are also a lot of parents who don't find Starfire and Raven's wardrobes the least bit offensive. Again, different strokes for different folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    I was raised Christian-my parents objected to me taking sex ed so I sat outside the classroom.
    Maybe thats the problem? I'm not trying to be mean but you seem to be very obsessed over something that should be completely normal.

    Oh yeah and Rule#34 of the internet is "if it exists theres porn of it". You will find porn of EVERY cartoon ever made on the internet.

    Inuendo flies through a kid, I know since never did I notice it until a few years ago as what they look as a kid you don't even notice like mentioned on the other thread, even as an adult its just a cartoon. Even as a kid watching anime with fanservice I didn't notice until I was in later grades and by 4th-6th grade kids already know and talk about it in school and not because of cartoons believe me. I hate it when people grow up and forget they learned about sex early in their childhood and act like its a bad thing that shouldn't be learned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    A lot of parents object to how Raven and Starfire dress.

    They showed Lola Bunny flaunting her body in Space Jam-that was intentional.

    In Toy Story 2 they made jokes about Mr. Potato Head cheating on his wife with Barbie dolls.
    They are pretty basic costumes, they aren't exactly revealing. Do your kids have to go blindfolded when they go outside? Are they not allowed to watch the Olympics? Since you'll see more revealing outfits there that are not even supposed to be sexy its just what you use in the sport. Also Lue is correct in that you seem to have double standards as a more revealing man with muscles all over not also "inappropriate" by your crazy standards?

    I'm 22, I saw Space Jam as a kid never did I think of anything of Lola Bunnie except that she was supposed to be the "hot" girl and Bugs love interest, the way she is drawn is introduced just sets that up I never saw anything sexual about it.

    Toystory is just a fun gag and everyone can understand the joke, theres nothing sexual about it.

    Again you are seeing way too much into it maybe because you were deprived and think anything to do with it is wrong. Trust me they are just cartoons.

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    I really doubt that little boys are going to care about Jessica Rabbit, Hello Nurse or any of those over people until there like 13. So they are okay for "kiddie" cartoons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    A lot of parents object to how Raven and Starfire dress.

    They showed Lola Bunny flaunting her body in Space Jam-that was intentional.

    In Toy Story 2 they made jokes about Mr. Potato Head cheating on his wife with Barbie dolls.
    Which parents? The kids obviously didn't notice or care that much. Most of those things fly over kids heads and are just little jokes for adults to catch. I didn't even notice that about Mr. Potato Head until you pointed it out, and since I haven't seen the movie since I was 12, that proves my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlgeaX View Post
    Check out any Greg Weisman show like Gargoyles or Spectacular Spider-Man for what Greg calls "writing on multiple levels"
    Especially W.I.T.C.H., which has plenty of attractive girls and sexual references in it.

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    As I said before in the "stacked females" thread, kids aren't really effected by sexual innuendo as long as it isn't too explicit. Below a certain age most kids are completely indifferent to all things sexual. I watched Animaniacs as a kid and I never had any strong reaction to Hello Nurse, I understood that she was supposed to be attractive in the same abstract way that I understood pandas like bamboo but I personally was never in anyway aroused or exited by her. I was much more interested in the Pinky & The Brain shorts to be honest.

    As for Teen Titans, Raven and Starfire's costumes were no more reveling or suggestive then what you'd see at any high school gymnastics competition. Plus sexiness is not directly proportional to how much skin one presents to the world, it is just as much if not more so a matter of attitude and presentation. In all five seasons of Teen Titans I never saw anything that lead my to believe that the creators intended to present them in a sexual light.

    And Maverick, it's a bit disingenuous of you to start half dozen threads about "animated sirens" in the space of a week and then turn around a condemn cartoons that dare to feature attractive women.

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    Who Framed Roger Rabbit is not for kids. It's not full-on "adult" animation, but it's a definite PG, intended for all film-viewing audiences with parental guidance expected.

    The other characters you mentioned don't seem overtly sexual to me, just "attractive". (Lola Bunny being attractive to Bugs Bunny, of course.) There's nothing subliminal about the concept of attractive women.

    What can be a problem is when anime series are imported to America, as some anime series we perceive as being "for kids" are not necessarily considered so in Japan. And of course, there are cultural differences. But this seems to be less of an issue now, with shows like Naruto being quite clearly aimed at teenagers instead of being aimed at kids with lots of edits that leave a few questionable aspects intact. (For a counter-example, Rurouni Kenshin aired as a TV-Y7 show with edits, but there were still some things, such as certain acts of violence and Shishio's busty assistant, that seemed a little inappropriate for kids. See also Tenchi.) And then of course there's Adult Swim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverstar View Post
    Then those people don't need to be watching the show, and they have the option to simply turn it off when it comes on. The majority of kids don't care how those characters dress, and kids are the ones whom Teen Titans was aimed at, not uptight parents. Similarly, there are also a lot of parents who don't find Starfire and Raven's wardrobes the least bit offensive. Again, different strokes for different folks.
    But there are people who complain that they are dressed a bit too racy for a kids show-I've seen them discuss it on other forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    But there are people who complain that they are dressed a bit too racy for a kids show-I've seen them discuss it on other forums.
    Then those people should find different shows for themselves and their children to watch.
    Those people's opinions don't speak for everyone, and while they're free to think what they want, not everyone feels the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    But there are people who complain that they are dressed a bit too racy for a kids show-I've seen them discuss it on other forums.
    There's a word for those people:

    Idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregX View Post
    There's a word for those people:

    Idiots.
    Starfire is dressed like an alien go-go dancer and Raven is dressed like a Goth lolita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    Starfire is dressed like an alien go-go dancer and Raven is dressed like a Goth lolita.
    I thought that was a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdeath View Post
    I thought that was a good thing.
    No-and that's why there's so much TT hentai/porn.

    People will lust after the girls in Pokemon, or Sailor Moon, or other female characters in kid shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    No-and that's why there's so much TT hentai/porn.

    People will lust after the girls in Pokemon, or Sailor Moon, or other female characters in kid shows.
    There'd still be porn of it anyway. Sorry to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NelStone View Post
    There'd still be porn of it anyway. Sorry to say.
    What about the Princess in Atlantis? Was making her sexy necessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavericker View Post
    Starfire is dressed like an alien go-go dancer and Raven is dressed like a Goth lolita.
    Then don't watch it.

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    CHANGES THE STATION!!!!! Imagine that, reverend, you can actually change the station. It's called freedom of choice and it's one of the liberties this country was founded upon. Maybe you could look it up sometime if there are any libraries left after you've finished Burning All the Books!"

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