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    TMNT Talkback: Episode 4.25 (26): "The Ninja Tribunal" (Spoilers)

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    Episode 4.25 (26): The Ninja Tribunal
    Original Air Date: April 15, 2006
    Written by Michael Ryan

    Previously on TMNT: The Foot Mystics, bound by The Shredder's Heart of Tengu, are accidentally set free by Agent Bishop and Baxter Stockman. Meanwhile, The Ancient One, sensei and adoptive father of Hamato Yoshi, stands before a trio of shadowy figures, pleading for the turtles' lives.

    This week, on TMNT: Los Hermanos Hamato stand before the three-person Ninja Tribunal, on trial for their lives! Who exactly are these three judges, and what, if any, is their connection to the Shredder and the Elementals? What do they want with the turtles? Who are those four other ninja? Will Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth finally consumate their relationship? I hope so!
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    The Season Finale - Ninja Turtle style! Or, at least I don't expect it to be any other way for the end of our Season 4.

    Uh, so... I guess this is the last new episode that they'll be airing, eh? I hope it makes the most of this moment. Who knows if we'll ever have the Ninja Turtles be like this ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightwingAngelo
    Uh, so... I guess this is the last new episode that they'll be airing, eh? I hope it makes the most of this moment. Who knows if we'll ever have the Ninja Turtles be like this ever again.
    Where did you get that idea? A new season will start in the fall. It just won't necessarily be the next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22
    Where did you get that idea? A new season will start in the fall. It just won't necessarily be the next season.
    i'm certain nightwingangelo was referring to this being the last new ep of this season. sigh, 5 mos til new eps (minus the Lost Season dvds)
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    i'd be very surprised if this episode wasn't somehow self-contained. The only way they could skip an entire "lost" season is if there are no major dangling plotlines when the season ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarky
    i'm certain nightwingangelo was referring to this being the last new ep of this season. sigh, 5 mos til new eps (minus the Lost Season dvds)
    Exactly. I was referring to this Season, and the fact that Fast Forward has been confirmed for next Season. I'm just not sure whether it will be a long story arc or the way the series will be taken for good, that's where the uncertainty comes from.

    I'm well aware that this show has already been completed through Season 6... or even 7.

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    ha, i see a lot of people getting very pissed after this, can't say i would be though i don't know kind of a weak cliff hanger finale IMO, it'll be interesting how theyw i"ll pull of the FF if they're in the middle of the sea or how the "lost" season goes.


    btw this might be very old but i've been reading the archie comics and noticed that the mutated guy from Bishop's outbreak might have been a small nod to the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myself, last night
    i'd be very surprised if this episode wasn't somehow self-contained. The only way they could skip an entire "lost" season is if there are no major dangling plotlines when the season ends.
    So ah...that was open ended. They must be really sure the dvds will be released over summer if we're gonna fast forward after this.

    I don't even know how to rate this episode. Some interesting ideas, but mostly just exposition.
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    Noooo, this was no self contained episode but a start of the new story line. The Tribunial training the Turtles and their new allies so they can get ready for the battle with the real Shredder.

    This makes me so mad at 4kids right now. The team had the story planned, season five, the True Shredder season was going to lead into season six "Fast Forward." By doing this 4kids has thrown off the natural progression of the story line. Everything was leading into everything else.

    Now I have faith that the lost season even cut in half will rap up the True Shredder arc nicely though it will be a bit faster pased then they originally planned. I just hope the show lost season is released before Fast Forward begins.

    Also the Turtles were way to quick in trusting a group of people dressed as their worst enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpler Simon
    i'd be very surprised if this episode wasn't somehow self-contained. The only way they could skip an entire "lost" season is if there are no major dangling plotlines when the season ends.
    ahem...you were saying

    so it seems the real 5th season has the TMNT & their new allies facing the ancient Shredder & the Elemental Mystics in Japan

    note: the reverse Foot logo. I hope they cover this tidbit in the Lost Season

    Loved the Manhunters in this ep, great designs as well

    Curious to see why the Ninja Tribunal are garbed as the Shredder...or perhaps its vice versa. Perhaps the original Shredder was once a member of the Tribunal but defected...and as a show of contempt, he used the same insignia but flipped it upside-down out of spite. So much backstory...are we certain there's only 13 eps in the can for the true 5th season???

    as for Fast Forward, I'm certain it'll only last one season 26 eps. There's too much to deal w/ in the present timeline. Perhaps in their absence, Hun & the Purple Dragons have become a juggernaut in the NY underworld. And I'm certain there's more Y'lintian drama ahead.
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    What the heck? How could this episode NOT be followed up by a direct continuation? Did the network execs even watch it before making this decision?
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    Knotice there were five tribunal suits but only four were taken? The fifth probably belonged to the True Shredder.

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    Just like everyone else is going to say in this thread: 4Kids, you are out of your freaking minds for changing the season line-up. Idiots.

    ...

    Was Mikey's dueling nunchucks supposed to be a reference to the first movie, only with Mikey getting outshone this time?

    And how on earth do the turtles fit all of that stuff into the new lair? Splinter has a very cool room now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creativerealms
    Knotice there were five tribunal suits but only four were taken? The fifth probably belonged to the True Shredder.
    Yeah I noticed that too, but didn't put it together until you pointed it out.

    The lost season is 13 eps...we dunno if thats the first 13 eps of production order, if they compressed the main storylines into 13 eps, or if only 13 eps were ordered for season 5 (i remember an early toyfair report saying TMNT had reached 117 eps)

    Something else I'd like to mention is how absolutely kickin Splinter's new room is. The new lair finally has a warm, settled-in feeling.

    Also not sure why Donny still had the bandage in the beginning (made me think epy was out of order), did he have it on later?
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    Quote Originally Posted by creativerealms
    Knotice there were five tribunal suits but only four were taken? The fifth probably belonged to the True Shredder.
    i suspected the same Coop, check out my post just above yours
    great minds think alike, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slane
    Just like everyone else is going to say in this thread: 4Kids, you are out of your freaking minds for changing the season line-up. Idiots.

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    Was Mikey's dueling nunchucks supposed to be a reference to the first movie, only with Mikey getting outshone this time?

    And how on earth do the turtles fit all of that stuff into the new lair? Splinter has a very cool room now.
    yeah, loved the dueling nunchuck bit
    it's good to see Mikey get out-hot dogged for once: SERVED!!!
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    I got something of a "Mortal Kombat The Movie" feeling from this episode, fight/meeting on a big boat, taking them somewhere for "training", the blonde woman kinda reminded me (visually) of Sonja...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anwar
    I got something of a "Mortal Kombat The Movie" feeling from this episode, fight/meeting on a big boat, taking them somewhere for "training", the blonde woman kinda reminded me (visually) of Sonja...
    I thought the same thing. Blonde hair and green spandex with white & black stripes..
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    Well besides a decent fight this was rather dissapointing. And as for cutting out stuff this is quite a throwback to major episode removals in One Piece in which they continue as if the story has no kinks despite making so many along the way by cutting out and retooling episodes while leaving others as they were which causes strange conflict with the story line.

    And so my hatred is complete. 4kids screwed up TMNT. It took them a while granted but eventually it got treated like crap just like all the rest of their shows.

    Thanks heavens for Laird. I hope they get that Lost Season on DVD ASAP.

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    I actually happened to like this episode. Sure, it was open ended but the fights were well done and the Ninja Tribunal give a great sense of intrigue and really set you up for the next season.

    I really liked the Mokujins in this episode. Not only did they have a cool ominous theme, but they were tough and also fought fair. The turtles really got served big time by them.

    As for the new human allies, I don't know what to think of them. I'm going to have to give them a season to see how they fare.

    Did anyone also get a BIG "Secret Wars" vibe from this whole episode? Only replace the Beyonder with the Ninja Tribunal council members and there you go.

    Everything looks so well set up for the battle against the real Shredder next season.

    Yet, in 4Kids and all their greed, they want to bypass ALL this just to go for Fast Forward only to sell more toys. I'm with everyone else here now when you all say you are pissed this is happening. They should be saving Fast Forward for the season after the real Shredder, not bring it in now.

    TMNT is one of the most successful shows 4Kids even has on its block and they want fudge it up for the ploy of selling more toys? I'd like to see the Fast Forward season captivate my interest.

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    What can I say? It's a mixed bag for me. The season started off pretty weak with the one shot episodes dealing with the Ellintean backstories. The season got slightly better with Hun returning to the picture and Leo's angst taking control of him only to have him doing something regrettable and seeing the Ancient One to heal his wounds.

    The mutant outbreak was handled particularly well but felt rushed and forced at some points. The biggest disappointment is the omission of "Insane in the Membrane" which details Stockman's attempt at recreating his body because 4Kids bungled up the order of the schedule and/or decided that the episode is too much for kids.

    Lady Shredder/Karai sucked...bad! Her only achievement in her entire run this season was getting the turtles old lair successfully destroyed. Other than that, she was a big whiner and not even nearly as ruthless as the old Utrom Shredder was. Even her own minions seem incompetent with her around now. I don't blame the foot mystics one bit for being disgusted with putting up with her.

    The season continued to dip in quality with the Savanti Romero 2 parter with the turtles going back to the prehistoric period to deal with the magic user. The interest wasn't as great and felt more like a big pitch for the "Paleo Patrol" toys than anything.

    Fortunately, after the 2 parter, the show picked up in quality in a big way with Donny's mutation finally coming full circle. Donny's monsterous form and violent nature causing the turtles to strike a truce with Bishop in order to heal him was one of the most powerful arcs the series had to offer and was executed beautifully (who didn't like it when Bishop got used by the foot mystics?).

    The one shot episode with Master Yoshi's past, while wasn't regarded as the true episode 100 by 4Kids broadcast standards, stood out as an excellent episode with themes that pushed the limits of Saturday morning toons such as death, betrayal, and revenge. Plus, we got to see Splinter's origin.

    The finale's open-endedness serves more as a beginning of a new arc that will lead the turtles to take on the new Shredder.

    I'm hoping that next season will cater well and not mark the shark-jump that many people fear to the whole series. It would be terrible if the show got pulled due to bad ratings from Fast Forward and leaving us hanging with the turtles going to fight the real Shredder.

    Oh well, here's hoping that "Insane in the Membrane" will get the airing it deserves before the new season begins.
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