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    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles "Secret Origins Part 2" Talkback (Spoilers)

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    EPISODE THIRTY THREE



    "Secret Origins" Part Two



    Story Editor: Lloyd Goldfine



    Senior Supervising Director: Chuck Patton



    Written by Michael Ryan




    The second matrix time travel-lious episode. Michael ryan's writing, so the dialouge should be better in this part (a couple of the writers make Mikey more annoying than funny.) Anyhoo, Discuss...

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    The Utrom's security system sucks. The need the Sloman Shield.

    Did Raph just break that hologram's wrist?

    This bamboo fighting reminds me of Samurai Jack.

    I like how they're using Ninja abilities in this new cartoon.

    The origin of the Tengu sword.

    This doesn't make sense, how does the Utrom machine know all this crap?

    I like how they say they can die, not pass away or be destroyed.

    I wanna know how Leo's bamboo fits in his sword cases.

    OK, now I'm getting vibes from the 3rd Turtles Movie.

    Yay! They called the Turtles Kappa!

    Ancient Guardians, cool.

    Damn, whoever's controlling Stockman is really establishing his place.

    And nobody else in NYC is noticing the Apache.

    Well, now we know how the Turtles escape, the internal failsafe.

    Ancient Mortu. Their exoskeletons haven't changed in 400 years...

    Damn, Shredder looks even more badass, if that's possible.

    God, now there's gonna be even MORE "Shredder is Krang!" stuff.

    Hehe, I like that trick Leo did.

    Is it me, or is the Tengu here more powerful than in Season 1?

    God, Matrix references, what next?

    I do like how Shredder only kept his most powerful Ninja, not his normal Foot.

    Well, the preview sounds awesome, and it seems like he may not be a Utrom.

    Also, I just noticed, the Elite Ninja have the same weapons as Shredder's enemies in the VR pods.
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    Nice story. So Shredder is officially an Utrom now. Although it may be a let down to some, I'm anxious to see what they do with this, because next week's episode looks AWESOME. The Sword of Tengu rocked the house as well. So next week looks like it will be an episode to remember.

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    Cool action. Good dialogue. Great story.
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    I have something to tell you! This episode was-- *Shredder interrupts*

    The world is an illusion! All you have to do is-- *Shredder interrupts*

    Before you leave, let me tell you that-- *transporter interrupts*


    Anyway... What we know for sure now is that "Shredder is an--"... in other words, whatever he is, it begins with a vowel.
    THINGS THAT SHREDDER COULD BE:
    android
    elephant
    Indian
    orthodontist
    Utrom

    I'm guessing it's the last one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirLemming
    THINGS THAT SHREDDER COULD BE:
    android
    elephant
    Indian
    orthodontist
    Utrom

    I'm guessing it's the last one.
    I'm guessing orthodontist. Oroku Saki does have perfect teeth, after all.
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    Duke: What makes you think Shredder isn't a Utrom? The possibility he isn't a brain-alien still has some good evidence (the clones, a certain character appearing soon that may or may not have something to do with something in this episode...I'll say something about that in a moment...), but this episode for me just is cementing the Shredder-Utrom theory. This episode did not show us the red Utrom, meaning that the writers are still building us up for that surprise. Some may argue that such an idea would be too obvious and that the turtles should be putting two and two together right now to at least, like many of us viewers do, think that Shredder is a Utrom, but their mental abilities have not been missing some important points; the continuous "It's virtual reality!" realizations they were having when they were trying to eat the food, or fight the red Utrom, or fight the Foot before they materialized into the virtual reality at least suggests the turtles may have just not thought the red Utrom is Shredder, so the writers may actually make the Shredder a Utrom and use all the turtles' ignorance to validate this plot twist.

    Whew! Too many long sentences!

    Spoiler:
    In this episode, they made of point of showing us a young lady and what looked to be her younger brother; Don, I believe, actually applauded her fighting abilities. Some have already said this is similar to TMNT III, the entire sister/little brother relationship we saw in that film, but what if the two were actually a young Saki and Karai? Karai will be appearing later in the season, and from what I read in these threads she is supposed to be the Shredder's sister [thanks Skeeter ]; perhaps the writers are doing that theory that has been going around, that the Saki was attacked by the red Utrom Shredder and, upon finding him to be the little brain alien, vowed vengeance against all Utroms. Part of this theory also suggests Saki found immortality in order to live forever to fight the Utroms, which could explain how his head was cut off, but how would Karai live forever? Maybe she made the same deal?


    Another long block of writing...

    It was also nice to see a change in the Stockman/Shredder partnership; after all, how would Stockman and Shredder be willing to work together again after their "falling out" in Return to New York? It makes sense that Shredder would rely on him for the technological input, and the writers did a good job of establishing this partnership; plus, it's funny to see Stockman getting electrocuted for his pride.
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    So it's going to take till the very last episode for the Turtles to realize that Shredder isn't what he seems? I'm not against Shredder being an Utrom, but I hope this isn't the big surprise the writers have planned, because it shouldn't take three episodes for the main characters to catch up with what the audience already knows.

    Otherwise, this was another decent but unspectacular episode. They were a bit rougher with the bamboo fighting I found, since bamboos dont have sharp edges like swords. The kappa comment brings back memories of TMNT III. And the Neo comment was actually prety clever.

    But there weren't any big revelations this time around. Baxter's employer can only be the Shredder, which should really make absolutely no sense, but it has to because Shredder is the only one who can screw with Utrom technology. And the general's voice-acting was again really bad (though I found the Apache pilot quite realistic).

    So who was that warrior woman? Karai? (sp)

    Are the guardians Utroms or not? They wear Utrom medallions, but Utrom exoskeleton technology cant have progressed too far yet if Mortu is still walking around in only robes.

    3.5 stars.

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    I'm a little disappointed that Baxter Stockman is working Shredder. I wonder how the Shredder and Baxter kissed and made up?

    There's that Matrix in-joke by calling Leo, "Neo".

    Next episode is going to be interesting when the Utroms have to face off against the Shredder and the Earth Security Forces.


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    > So Shredder is officially an Utrom now. <

    Not quite- it still hasn't been said outright.

    All these interrupted-sentence teasers do strongly imply Shredder is a Utrom. But it could still turn out that the writers are sneakily building up that expectation only for the purpose of dashing it.

    I guess we'll find out next week.

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