Duel of the Decepticons

[Batmex]

Who would win a battle between the different incarnations?

[B.W.H.]

I would have to say the Armada cons because of their"powerlinking" ability to minicons.

[Obi]

Gah...hard to choose.

The original Decepticons were, for the most part, very loyal to Megatron. While they had brute strength, their plans were often cooky (the space needle, changing earth's climate or whatever they were doing in Fire in the Sky, etc.), and almost always failed. But, there are certainly a great number of them.

BW Predacons were INCREDIBLY small compared to the other generations, but they were led by a genious. Even if he DID turn into a madman, he was still more in control of his own mind than Galvatron ever was. Most of them were backstabbing traitors, so they'd probably abandone the others in an instant to save themselves. There are a few of them, but they're pretty good fighters.

Armada Decepticons...there's 4 of them. One's a traitor. 'Nuff said.

In the end, I think the G1 Decepticons would win. Megatron would probably have some stupid plan at first, then when that failed and Starscream was done criticising him, he'd just get the Stunticons, Constructions, and Combaticons to merge and stomp all over the Preds. If any of them remained, they'd have fled. The Armada Decepticons would end up using their Mini-Cons (and in the process calling them the wrong names) and unleash some massive firepower (even though they'd miss everything), and they wouldn't even be scratched by the enemy because, let's face it, everything in Armada is impervious to lasers. Then Devastator would just beat them over the head and kill them. Or the hordes of generic seekers would tackle-hug them and force them to retreat to their base, even though all they did was fall to the ground.

Then the G1 Decepticons would go back to their base and get drunk. Again.

[Charred Knight]

G1 easily.

They outnumber everyone and they have the Gestalt ability.

Destructicons, Predacons, Constructicons, Stunticons, and Terrorcons can all go Gestalt and just smash through the Beast Wars Predacons, and Armada Decepticons easily.

The only reason that the decepticons lost was because they faced the G1 autobots.

Grimlock alone could defeat the BW Predacons, and the Armada Decepticons.

[creeper]

That's an easy one....the zoi....whoops relfex......uhhhh the G1 decepticons would win. The original Megatron was awesome and had a horde of decepticons behind him. Strength in numbers i say. I mean the Armada decepticons only have what 4 decepticons? G1 megs has all of cybertron save the autobots on his side. All he'd have to do is send a battalion.

[Aberration]

I hate to repeat what's been said already, but I think the G1 Decepticons would take the battle. Here's the breakdown:

I'm going to put this in spoiler space for the heck of it, since "If you haven't seen it, it's new to you..."

Spoiler:

G1: I'm not going to cite numbers here, because I'm sure in ALL incarnations of Transformers, there's a planetful of bad guys out there, we just never saw them for some reason or other. But the main thing these guys had going for them was that they were competent and organized. Except for a couple of bad apples, the Decepticons obeyed Megatron/Galvatron, and they could do some real damage. (The attacks on Autobot City in The Movie and "Rebirth" come to mind)

Beast Wars: This is actually a gray area, as we never saw the race of Predacons as a whole like we saw the Decepticons in G1. In the epic miniseries "The Agenda", the Tripredacus Council stated that Megatron and his crew were rogues (except Tarantulas), and actually moved to capture him. However, the Council DID state plans were in motion to retake Cybertron from the Maximals, and I wish the series would have continued so that we could've seen that play out. Either way, I think that the entire Predacon forces under the command of either Megatron or the Tripredacus Council could cause major problems, as they are both excellent strategists. Not counting the size differences, I think this army could cause significant problems for the G1 'Cons. Unfortunately, we never got to see this idea come to fruition, hence why I can't vote for them.

Beast Machines: No contest. Although Megatron was able to produce endless amounts of Vehicon drones, they were always destroyed en masse by Optimus Primal's ragtag group of technorganic Maximals. Even when the drones were put under the command of two of Cybertron's greatest generals, the Maximals still got the upper hand.

Robots in Disguise: Really not fair to say, because this was based on TF: Car Robots, which was a comedy series. Hence, the villains had to be comical, and the plot had to take a backseat to the action and antics. Galvatron and Scourge were cool though, probably the only major threats posed by this group though.

Armada: I'm sorry to needlessly bash Armada, but I have to put these guys in last place, even behind RiD. Although this Megatron has BW Megatron's voice, he's not even 1/10th as smart as his voice-sake. Case in point:

1. He knows that 3 Autobots are going to Earth to retrieve the Minicons. Commanding a force that controls half of Cybertron, he decides to overpower this group by sending FOUR Decepticons.

2. Not only that, but the three that he chooses to accompany him are a backstabber, and two oafish incompetents. I think that Cyclonus's big brother was instrumental in helping the Decepticons conquer Cybertron, but only did so if Megatron promised to take Cyclonus on a big mission in the future. Things makes more sense that way.

3. Megatron is consistently foiled by little kids. But not just any ordinary little kids. Stupid little kids who are even dumber for being friends with Carlos.

4. MEGATRON DROPPED THE STAR SABER! He was obviously holding the thing with a loosey-goosey grip if Prime was able to knock it out of his hands like that. I know if I were holding the most powerful weapon in the universe, nobody would get it without taking off my hand.

[Charred Knight]

In Armada the decepticons never conquered Cybertron, the city is divided in half between the autobots and Decepticons.

I also forgot that the G1 decepticons are the only ones that have the services of Shockwave and Soundwave.

Soundwave is well known for his major role in both the comic and the cartoon and his abilities to control the casette transformers.

Shockwave has a minor role in the cartoon but a Major role in the comic. Shockwave is so cool because he can turn into a giant flying space gun.

[Batmex]

G1 no doubt about it.

G1 Megatron was and still THE MAN, Starscream always got slaped silly everytime he critized his boss

Armada Megatron NEVER!

[Anubis C. Soundwave]

Sleek, well-armed Stealth Tape Condor of Death.

G1 crew, easy. And G1 Starscream's loyal to the Cause--but wants Megatron's job.

Beast Wars team--the only group who could strategically fend off the G1s--would be overwhelmed by the gestalts; after all, "nothing can withstand the might of...DEVASTATOR." And Bruticus, and Menasor, and the Predacons' ancestors--aka Predaking.

If BW Megs, Tarantulas, and Blackarachnia manage to devise a plan to take out the big Gs, then G1 Cyclonus would whip out Trypticon and be done with the matter.

I'm talking about the competent, de facto leader of the 2005-2006 Decepticons, not the Goldar-wannabe flunky.

Beast Machines...they let Cybertron become a greenhouse....

RiD wasn't a contender. Though Scourge looked like a credible threat.

[Alph]

I think,out of that poll,G1 would win,but only because they have greater numbers,plus combiners.


I think if BM vehicons were included,they would win.Tankor(who was a genious by the way,after Rhinox took control of course) and his drones were easily the size of a G1 decepticon,and Jetstorm and Thrust were about that size too(relative to the Vehicles they changed into,Jetstorm= the seekers,Thrust = the Junkions)Also,you had Obsidian and Strika,two of Cybertrons greatist generals,leading thousands of powerful drones.


Then You have Megs in the upgraded Op op body(the same design,only way bigger and stronger),who would whoop some serious damage upon the decepticons.



what about the Armada 'cons?

well...


Armada decepticons <<< Hamtaro and the Ham Hams.


Nuff said.

[Aberration]

Originally posted by Alph
I think if BM vehicons were included,they would win.Tankor(who was a genious by the way,after Rhinox took control of course) and his drones were easily the size of a G1 decepticon,and Jetstorm and Thrust were about that size too(relative to the Vehicles they changed into,Jetstorm= the seekers,Thrust = the Junkions)

The Vehicons were the size of a G1 Decepticon..... if that Decepticon is Rumble, or one of the other cassette bots. I haven't seen the series in years, but it looked like the Vehicons were the same size as the Maximals. (Tankorr may have been slighty taller and bulkier.) And the Maximals are equal-to-slighty-taller than normal humans, which has been shown in Beast Wars.

Something I just thought of: Most people have been citing size as a disadvantage for the Beast generation. However, BW Megatron once referred to the G1 Transformers as "archaic energon-guzzlers". And energon was a BIG factor in the early days of G1. It's possible that the energon needed to refuel the Predacon crew wouldn't even be enough for a G1 'Con to snack on. BW Megs could certainly use this to his advantage...

BTW, has energon been mentioned in Armada at all? Or RiD?

[Obi]

Energon was just "energy" in RID, and the Armada TFs run on fuel cells - or at least Hot Shot does, according to "Comrade".

[LadyM]

In a brute fight, G1 easily takes it. They've got tons of 'bots and gesaults.

Given time to prepare a stealth mission, BW. (I can just picture BW Megatron having Tarantulas sneak into the Decepticons base to poison their fuel reserves.

Armada Decepticons, I fear, would come out dead last.

Ulimately? The winner is . . . BEAST WARS DINOBOT! Well, not really. But who cares? He was cool!

~LM~

[Mr. Obsession]

I think that there are two things people are forgetting about the Beast Wars Predacons:

1) They pack just as much firepower as the larger G1 Transformers.

2) Their bodies use Enegron much more efficiently than their G1 ancestors.

Considering that it's basically accepted that BW Megatron and the Tripredacus council were on the almost on the genius level. With the strategies they could come up with I'd say the BW Predacons could more than hold their own against the other groups.




Also, Tankor was huge compared to the others in Beast Machines. He was easily twice the size of Cheetor (who was one of the taller characters in the series). I'd say he was comparable to the smaller G1 Transformers (not including the cassettes ). Much like Depthcharge, who was also freaking huge compared to the other's in Beast Wars.

[Nin-Nin69]

Spoiler:

Megatron is consistently foiled by little kids. But not just any ordinary little kids. Stupid little kids who are even dumber for being friends with Carlos.

How true it that?

[Batmex]

Originally posted by Nin-Nin69
How true it that?

VERY true. Good old Megs would squash them without hesistation.

[Artimus Gigan]

heh G1 has Trypticon and Scorpinock, both are cityformers...


Scorpinock was the rival of Fortess Maximus(the biggest Transformer Figure made to date, but Scorpinock's figure only came up to his knee, where as on the show he was of equal stature) can easily squash all who oppose him...


Trypticon is giant Dinosaur that had no robot mode but could transform into a base and a battle station, but in Beast Wars II(Japan Only) Megastorm(the Brother of Galvatron in BWII, Galvatron was the leader of the Destrons) powered up to become Gigastorm(The figure is a retoolment of Trypticon) which Did transform into a base and a battle station also, plus he had the Gigahorn that could easily crush and slice all metal...

[Alph]

Originally posted by Aberration
The Vehicons were the size of a G1 Decepticon..... if that Decepticon is Rumble, or one of the other cassette bots. I haven't seen the series in years, but it looked like the Vehicons were the same size as the Maximals. (Tankorr may have been slighty taller and bulkier.) And the Maximals are equal-to-slighty-taller than normal humans, which has been shown in Beast Wars.

Something I just thought of: Most people have been citing size as a disadvantage for the Beast generation. However, BW Megatron once referred to the G1 Transformers as "archaic energon-guzzlers". And energon was a BIG factor in the early days of G1. It's possible that the energon needed to refuel the Predacon crew wouldn't even be enough for a G1 'Con to snack on. BW Megs could certainly use this to his advantage...

BTW, has energon been mentioned in Armada at all? Or RiD?

Rumble and Frenzy Took down devestator.Don't underestimate the small!


Anyway,not ALL BW bots are small.Deapthcharge and rampage are at least as big as your average G1 bot(Jazz maybe)plus way more efficient.Plus,Op op was as big as Prime(well,almost) and TM2 megs was just under him.

People seem to forget that BM megs is just as big and powerful as TM2 megs,since they are in fact the same body.Since the Vehicons were roughly the same size as him(with Tankor and strika being larger)they would be at least the size of your average G1 bot.Plus,they have built in artillery,a definate plus.

[Artimus Gigan]

ye sbut G1 HAD ROBOTS THAT TURNE DINTO BASES, HENCE HUGE!

[LadyM]

Originally posted by Artimus Gigan
ye sbut G1 HAD ROBOTS THAT TURNE DINTO BASES, HENCE HUGE!

Yeah, but one of them, Metroplex, still got put out of commission by two "normal size" G1 bots, Starscream and Scourge. In fact, technically he got taken out by ONE bot since Starscream was only a ghost at the time. They stole Metroplex's eyes and he started panicking and randomly firing on his own faction.

Assuming BW bots could break into one of the cities without being noticed (and security didn't seem to be that tight--later Starscream and Scourge managed to break into Trypticon by knocking out a whopping TWO Decepticons--and THEY were the Beavis and Butthead of the 'Cons), they could make the city-bots more of a liability than an advantage.

It's all about strategy. ^_^

~LM~