DBZ Question

[Majin Vegeta]

In the Buu saga, Chin is the supreme kai, and he's supposed to rule over the Grand Kai. And the Grand Kai is so powerful that he taught Goku the Denkai-dame/spirit-bomb and some other stuff.

So technically, if the Grand Kai can TEACH Goku all this stuff then he's more powerful than him. And if the Supreme Kai is even more powerful than the Grand Kai, then he must be stronger than Goku too!

But the almighty Supreme Kai is a wealking! What happened???

Why are Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan more powerful than the Supreme Kai himself?

[Jowy Blight]

Grand Kai is so powerful that he taught Goku the Denkai-dame/spirit-bomb and some other stuff.

No, Kaio-sama(King Kai) taught Gokou that move.

So technically, if the Grand Kai can TEACH Goku all this stuff then he's more powerful than him.

No, Gokou is stronger. True, Kaio-sama showed him how to do it, but Kaio-sama couldn't do it himself. He said so himself.

Why are Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan more powerful than the Supreme Kai himself?

Kaioshin IS strong, it just that he was againest Majin Buu. His Psychic power is pretty much nothing to Majin Buu. As for Gokou, Bejita, and Gohan, Kaioshin didn't watch over that part of the universe as well as he should have. Gohan and Kaioshin are rather even in my opinion, Gohan got REALLY weak after Cell.

So I would say Kaioshin is as strong as SSJ1 Gohan now.

[kiddiesunshine]

sadly, gohan and kuririn are the mr. satans of the z fighters. kiaoshin is a a weak little "baka". but gohan does have bideru...meow. i hate her haircut.

[Naraht]

Bleh, I watch on CN, and dunno the Japaneese name,s but I'm following anyway...
Supreme Kai is above Grand kai, who in turn is above the 4 "normal" kais...one of whom taught Goku the attacks a while back.

When the Grand Kai saw Goku fight, he knew he was outclassed, and backed out of teaching him. Goku is the ubergod, and can destroy anything, cause ppl like him! =D

[Majin Vegeta]

So Goku's power just kinda slipped out of control, and it surpassed that of the Supreme Kai without him even noticing?

And in the end, when Goku beats Majin Buu with that spirit bomb, he wind because everyone in Earth is raising their hands, right? It's not his own power, but that of everyone on Earth that beats Majin Buu, then?

[Naraht]

Originally posted by VegetaInsane
So Goku's power just kinda slipped out of control, and it surpassed that of the Supreme Kai without him even noticing?

And in the end, when Goku beats Majin Buu with that spirit bomb, he wind because everyone in Earth is raising their hands, right? It's not his own power, but that of everyone on Earth that beats Majin Buu, then?

Umm...I haven't gotten that far yet...

But yes, the spirit bomb takes power from all the living things that give it up...it doesn't just pull power from the wielder...


As to Goku's power, The Supreme Kai says that he hadn't been paying much attention to Goku's part of the Galaxy...
And his power (and those of everyone else) did managae to shoot up astronomically in the course of about ten years...which in the galactic sense is no time @all

[HellCat]

Originally posted by VegetaInsane
So Goku's power just kinda slipped out of control, and it surpassed that of the Supreme Kai without him even noticing?

And in the end, when Goku beats Majin Buu with that spirit bomb, he wind because everyone in Earth is raising their hands, right? It's not his own power, but that of everyone on Earth that beats Majin Buu, then?

Being gods, the kais believe themself to be above mortals in all ways. Goku and the other Sayia-jin showed them that they were wrong about that.

From what I've heard, SSJ3 Goku was beating the crap out of Buu in his final form. But Buu kept regenerating and SSJ3 is alot of strain on the body. Goku needed the strength of everyone to power that Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb). Considering that, as far as Toriyama was concerned, this was the final battle, they needed a way to go out with a bang. Having Goku helped by everyone he'd met and helped in life is alot more interesting then Goku getting the energy to beat Buu himself from out of nowhere.

[Majin Vegeta]

Just one more question...

If the kais are gods, then why do they die?

And does the Supreme Kai die after Buu beats the crap out of him? Or does he just lie on the ground until he recovers?

(the dubbed American version of DBZ stops at when Vegeta sacrafices himself, so I don't know what happens)...

Does anyone know when the new episodes of the Buu saga are coming out?

oops that's three questions, sorry.

[HellCat]

Originally posted by VegetaInsane
Just one more question...

If the kais are gods, then why do they die?

And does the Supreme Kai die after Buu beats the crap out of him? Or does he just lie on the ground until he recovers?

(the dubbed American version of DBZ stops at when Vegeta sacrafices himself, so I don't know what happens)...

Does anyone know when the new episodes of the Buu saga are coming out?

oops that's three questions, sorry.

The Kai's are not gods in the same sense as THE God. They are just beings with a long life span and magic powers who live on a different plain

[Majin Vegeta]

And can you please tell me the answers to the other questions?

[Batmex]

Well to start with they are Sayans the most powerful warriors in the universe, then that have been strenghtening their power with unstopable training, specially Vageta and Goku, Gohan got weak because he didn't train anymore(blame the world's peace during those years).

[Majin Vegeta]

Does the Supreme Kai die? What happens?

[HellCat]

Originally posted by VegetaInsane
Does the Supreme Kai die? What happens?

Is the Supreme Kai Kaio-shin? If he is, then yes he dies. But he is quickly wished back and him and Kibit take Gohan to Kaio-shin's planet

[Majin Vegeta]

Thnx, that's all the questions I have for now...

[Shifty]

Ok i just thought of this now. Why does Trunks never have a tail?? Gohan does but trunks dosent. Im probly awnsering my own question but, Is it because vegeta evolved beyond the weakness of the tail?? When goku had gohan Goku didnt have a tail then. Its just strange. For some reason this thought just popped in my head.

[RogueMartian]

Goten never had a tail either from what i've seen. It was always my understanding that when saiyans are kids they have a tail that grows back if its cut off. Adults can have a tail, but if it gets cut off it does not grow back again. I don't know why trunks or goten never have a tail, maybe they did but their mothers (chi-chi and bulma) keep them cut off for reasons of safety.

[Dark Spider]

Most likely their parents had their tails cut off. They'll probably grow back, but it isn't important enough to give it air time. As a rule, if it isn't needed in the story, then why have it.

[Majin Vegeta]

lol, Imagine a mighty super saiyan warrior having to preiodiclly cut off his tail.

I wonder if the tail would turn yellow w/ the super saiyan transformation?

[Zorakfan]

It's like shaving. Only with a cheese grater.

[vegetaprinceofsayian]

possibly trunks did not have a tail and gohan did because of dominant and recessive traits, it would all have to do with dna which i won't get into, anyway, if vegeta's traits didn't mix well with bulma's then maybe that could be the cause for the absence of a tail, vice-versa for gohan and the presence of one. do a punnet square if you want but i don't think the writers care to go into why trunks can't have a tail or whatever too complicated. dosen't matter the son of vegeta is sayia-jin enough to not need a tail.