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  1. James Harvey

    James Harvey The World's Finest
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    Her time has come.

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    Wonder Woman
    Release date: June 1, 2017 Early Official Showings, Opened June 2, 2017
    Studio: Warner Bros. Pictures
    Director: Patty Jenkins
    MPAA Rating: PG-13 (for sequences of violence and action, and some suggestive content)
    Screenwriters: Allan Heinberg, Geoff Johns, Patty Jenkins

    Starring: Gal Gadot, Chris Pine, Connie Nielsen, Robin Wright, David Thewlis, Danny Huston, Elena Anaya, Ewen Bremner, Lucy Davis, Lisa Loven Kongsli, Said Taghmaoui, Eugene Braverock

    Synopsis: Before she was Wonder Woman, she was Diana, princess of the Amazons, trained to be an unconquerable warrior. Raised on a sheltered island paradise, when an American pilot crashes on their shores and tells of a massive conflict raging in the outside world, Diana leaves her home, convinced she can stop the threat. Fighting alongside man in a war to end all wars, Diana will discover her full powers…and her true destiny.

    Patty Jenkins directs the film from a screenplay by Allan Heinberg, story by Zack Snyder & Allan Heinberg and Jason Fuchs, based on characters from DC. Wonder Woman was created by William Moulton Marston. The film is produced by Charles Roven, Deborah Snyder, Zack Snyder and Richard Suckle, with Stephen Jones, Geoff Johns, Jon Berg, Wesley Coller and Rebecca Steel Roven serving as executive producers.

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  2. Wounded_Dragon

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    For anyone wondering about end credit stingers, none at my showing.

    Maybe I'll get around to a full review. I honestly loved this movie. I cared about everyone and got teary-eyed in the appropriate spots. Jokes were actually funny. Lives mattered. Deaths mattered.
     
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    This cements exactly my argument against DC's version of a shared universe. IMHO, this now proudly sits up with Donner's Superman, Burton's Batman, and dare I say even Craven's Swamp Thing. The has plenty of social commentary, humor (due to Pine being more Kirk than the Trek films), and robust action, even rich cinematography and sfx. This is what WB excels at, giving us creative visions from filmmakers.

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  4. AnotherRandomGuy

    AnotherRandomGuy The cat's in the cradle

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    Now this was a pleasant surprise. I hadn't felt this good after watching a DC movie in a long time. This is how you tackle serious subject matter while still keeping it in tune with the source material.

    Diana isn't a character a lot people really "get" for lack of a better word, but Patty had her down to a t. The big twist at the end was a little obvious but I wouldn't really count that a major strike against the film.

    All in all, it feels great to be able to recommend something DC related that isn't the comics.
     
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  5. Neo Ultra Mike

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    Now Wonder Woman is one of those projects a lot of Warner Brothers studios executive heads said was impossible to turn into a big budget live action comic book movie despite all the various differing attempts to do just that, stretching back at least from to 90's to somewhere beyond. And though there are a lot of sexist or incredibly narrow minded reasons for such a thing, I will be fair and say that it's really only in the last decade have studios had any faith whatsoever in actually adapting comic book movies with only a fair amount of mainstream popularity into movies and doing any of worth while job with them. And that sadly does include Wonder Woman who despite being one of the "Trinity" of the DC Universe and one of the most recognized super heroes around the world, never exactly got the same amount of credit or screen time to showcase herself as much as the World's Finest. I mean there was the 70's TV show but even by the 90's that was more a camp novelty or just seen as cheesy nostalgia then a true example of high class super hero entertainment. Heck when I was a kid I only really knew of Wonder Woman through name and basic look or for her appearance in cartoon kids shows like say the Super Friends. Batman and Superman obviously out grew those ties but not so much Diana Prince and really the only reason people probably didn't pick on her quite as much as say Aquaman was because she was still seen as the most known example of a female super hero but... one I always thought as a child was suppose to be tame and kind of lame. Maybe due to those Cartoon Network ads showcasing as such but to me the character was never really treated with any moniker of seriousness until the Justice League TV animated series. Which not only gave more an example of her backstory and even her name (which is where I really first heard her as Diana as that wasn't really said in the Superfriends era) and honestly powerful fighter persona. And though sometimes I wasn't a fan of the character's actions in some episodes I did grow to like and actually know of her through that show that yeah this is the reason she is so revered.

    Of course as good a show as JL is, it's still only going to go so far especially when the public still generally grew up with something like superfriends and due to contract weirdity at the time Wondy was only allowed to appear in projects if she had a major starring role in them in TV and even movies for a time I believe. And unlike say Green Lantern she was never given a super successful run of tie in events or world building mythos in the 2000's to really make studio specifically sit down and want to adapt her into a movie. Of course until the DCEU got started and they were dead set on trying to catch up to Marvel and make their own Avengers esque hits and thankfully decided even if they were rushing to get to the League, at least had to get a Wonder Woman solo movie. Since yeah the character never had a wide release film in her 70 something year history and yeah whether there were good behind the scenes reasoning or not, there should not be a world where say a Captain Underpants movie exists yet a Wonder Woman movie does not. I think another big reason behind not doing Wondy is just due to the terrible name female super hero movies have gotten since probably the best overall remembered of that sub catergory is "... the one that aren't as awful as Catwoman" since the last major female release we got was Elektra and yeah that wasn't anything special or... quality whatsoever. But while honestly Marve Studios dragged around the idea of doing a Black Widow movie due to their own narrow midned executive heads DC studios finally jumped at the chances and even went about introducing Wonder Woman in of course Batman v Superman. A lot of people admit even if they don't like that movie they like her in it which... I didn't. The accent and look didn't work that much for me and I thought it was stupid to spend so much of her time just Catwomaning esque around toying with Bruce Wayne and trying to set up some mystery of why she despite being a hero in this world wasn't really known by the populous at all. Which was really just a way to tease this movie but whether or not it worked in that movie the big question was whether giving her a movie would pay off both box office wise and critically. The later of which is especially important considering well none of the DC movies have been well received at all and those were with characters like Batman and Superman who could prove to be loved by audiences and reviewers alike, so how would a more unknown element like Diana Prince work?

    For me I do agree it is by far the best of the DCEU movies. I do have problems with it that do lessen my enjoyment of the movie but I admit most of those are personal and even with them this is still the most well thought out and less clunky and most strongly put together overall cast and narrative.


    So again best of the DCEU does still mean to me it's just a good movie. Nothing great as honestly I felt Logan and Guardians 2 and Lego Batman were better super hero movies this year but I get why this is getting way more praise then any other of DCEU's offerings and all the parts of it do still work quite well and this is by far the best female lead comic book movie and does inspire way more hope that I hope other studios take note of. So yeah Gal Gadot won me over on the character so I look forward to her more now in Justice League and heck other WW movies since maybe there are other examples of her in history worth making movies about for now a solid origin story personal flaws aside and all.
     
  6. Gold Guy

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    I was impressed. Wonder Woman herself is easily the most likable hero (so far) in the DCEU, and she does come across as the most genuinely heroic. Her naivety could have been annoying or played too silly, but instead makes her more endearing; I like heroes who believe in people.

    I know that usually, it's popular to call Superman the Capt. America of DC - but in the DCEU, that definitely goes to Wonder Woman. And yes, Gal Gadot does a great job!

    The supporting cast works well too, especially Chris Pine as Steve. Finally, a CBM in a romance that actually feels believable. Nielsen and Lucy Davis also do good work in their scenes; I hope to see more of them in a sequel. Admittedly, though, I felt Steve Trevor's friends were a bit underdeveloped.

    The villains are nothing special, but the final boss does at least bring the spectacle (I have no problems whatsoever with the final action scene; considering who the opponent is, the fight had to be very intense).

    Speaking of, the cinematography is very good. The fight scenes pop out (and the lasso is used to good effect). Maybe a few too many slo-mo scenes, but some worked very well. Meanwhile, Themyscira looked so gorgeous; it also made the contrast between it and "man's world" work better.

    The film could have been trimmed a tad bit, I think. I wouldn't say it dragged, though, but some of the scenes in the middle weren't necessary.

    But if this heralds a new start for the DCEU, the rest of the films will be great. What's impressive about Wonder Woman is that, while it's very serious, it never feels "darker" than it needs to be. It keeps a sense of optimism and heroism throughout, and an actual sense of humor (that never gets overbearing). Wonder Woman will have you leaving the theater believing in heroes again.
     
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  7. hobbyfan

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    My bro & I took in a matinee today. Diana is now considered a demi-goddess, which, if you take into account that Zeus would also be Hercules' dad, makes her Herc's 1/2-sister. In the comics, Hercules, insofar as Diana was concerned, was an enemy more than an ally.

    Framed by footage in the present, picking up where last year's "Superman v. Batman: Dawn of Justice" left off, we see that Diana's debut in "man's world" was moved back nearly 30 years. Some aspects remain and moved with her (i.e. Steve Trevor, Etta Candy). I wasn't familiar with Dr. Poison in the books, as I don't think I'd read of her much. Ares, of course, I definitely knew about. El-swerve-o with the reveal, that's all I can say.

    Good stuff.
     
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  8. Yojimbo

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    Yup. Solid movie, the best in this DCEU - definitely an instant favorite, made for everyone, simple story and themes to understand - nowhere near as convoluted as the past three.

    I did miss the first couple minutes. I got in when lil Diana asked about seeing the Godkiller, maybe a little before.

    Critiques, not too much. The lasso FX got kind of cartoony and just in general movies need to stop using slow-mo in fight scenes.
     
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  9. the greenman

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    Yeah, Snyder has kinda taken it overboard. Peckinpah and Kurosawa before him are rolling their eyes.

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    The exterior battle in Veld was fine. The slo-mo -- ugh. Takes the momentum out of it, imo. It was okay on the Matrix but get over it. That was a decade ago. We get it. I'd rather see more fluid fight scenes like Batman vs the thugs when he went to save Martha Kent.
     
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    Well, Matrix was groundbreaking cause of the bullet time effect. And yes, that's definitely over. The slo-mo didn't bother me, but they should have stopped with the Germans fight.

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  12. Yojimbo

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    Maybe the dinner party thing seemed to late in the movie. Maybe they could have just launched the gas from that base at the end just after WW and co. left Veld.

    It was amusing everyone was whispering about 'Bane gas' in the theater. I suppose since WW spared Dr. Poison's life, somehow her formula might have ended up in South America since Germans tend to have taken refuge there historically...
     
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    Inspiring. Simply inspiring. For me, this is a movie we need right now. There is so much darkness in the world and this movie shows us a hero who's dealing with it directly with hope that it can be stopped. At the same time, we have the most iconic female superhero finally getting her own movie after over 70 years during a time where the demand for female equality is high.

    Gal Gadot did a fantastic job portraying Diana's strength, compassion, bravery and love. Her naivety was beautifully sweet and displayed the ideal view of the world that many people surely do as children. Steve Trevor was a very strong deuteragonist, supporting Diana even though he didn't complete understand her. Chris Pine really embodied the role and had great chemistry with Gadot.

    I enjoyed the other supporting characters including Connie Nielsen's warm yet commanding figure Hippolyta and Robin Wright's strong and loving Antiope. Etta Candy was pretty humorous, Sameer was a flirtatious yet noble, Chief was a very down-to-Earth character whose motives didn't come off as dishonorable, and Charlie was a damaged yet caring individual.

    As for the antagonists, General Ludendorff was a wonderfully traditional villain and Doctor Poison was a classic evil scientist in the best ways. The movie's take on Ares was a bit different than his previous portayals and yet I thought it was solid (though he could've lost the mustache). All I really needed was the classic armor and we got it so I guess I was pretty easy to please!

    The fight sequences were a blast and a half, displaying Wonder Woman as the fierce warrior we know her to be. I loved seeing the Lasso of Truth in action with its magical golden glow. While there were a few similarities to Captain America: The First Avenger, it was nice to see Wonder Woman on the actual battlefield of war, one of the few complaints I had with Captain America's movie. The soldiers and Diana were a force to be reckoned with when they worked together, meanwhile the Amazons were utterly deadly during the beach fight. Even during the training sequences, the Amazons were profound fighters. They could have used a little less slow motion during the battle sequences, but it wasn't too bad.

    I find a lot of movie scores tend to be ignored or unnoticed by audience members and I hope that changes someday, because the score seriously added to everything, from the overview of Themyscira to the battle scenes during the war. The composer Rupert Gregson-Williams displayed the majesty of the character and the war setting well with a sweeping orchestra. Using Hans Zimmer's excellent Wonder Woman theme from Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice definitely put a smile on my face.

    Themyscira was simply beautiful and the Amazons were powerful, bold women on an island I imagine many would like to stay on (including myself if I was allowed). If I had any complaints, I simply wish we saw them developed and distinctly named beyond Hippolyta and Antiope. I was hoping Artemis would have a bigger role in particular.

    Overall, Wonder Woman was a dream come true in a time where many superhero dreams are coming true. The portrayal of war, hope and optimism, and the nature of humanity were on point and really make you question the world in its current state. Congratulations to Gal Gadot, the DC Extended Universe, and director Patty Jenkins for putting this project together. What a journey, what a ride, what a movie.
     
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    It was a very good movie. Wonder Woman is a very sympathetic easy to understand hero, which is more than I can say for most of the DC heroes in these movies of late.

    Only problem I had, it was too god dam long, this movie should have 90 minutes, no reason to be over 2 hours.
     
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    Why did you only give it a *1/2 if you thought it was good?

    I thought it was a great movie. And it comes at just the right time. While it wasn't perfect from a technical standpoint, I thought it accomplished what it set out to do perfectly. It was a rousing movie that was so charming and full of heart. Gadot was great as Wonder Woman. While the villains were a little weak, I didn't find that it took away anything from the movie. This is easily the best DC movie since The Dark Knight and is on par and is actually better than a fair chunk of the Marvel movies, in my opinion. I can't wait to see it again!

    It was a blast to see so many women enjoying this movie at the theatre I went to this weekend. Easily 3/4 of the theatre was women and they were having a blast. It was great to see that!
     
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    I think I like the Nolan-esque ambiguous ending to her jumping out the window at the end. It was perfect! Cause alot of people don't know she has that ability. The 70's tv show never explored that, so it left it open.

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    Hmm. I meant that to be a 3 1/2 star rating, but the page was bumping up and down on my monitor at home, and screwed up my vote. Can we get that fixed please?
     
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    I'm not sure if we can reset individual votes. @James Harvey? @Zedd?
     
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    Someone please clarify. Comic-book Wonder Woman was formed out of clay. Was she also a demi-god? DCEU Wonder Woman wasn't formed out of clay but is a demi-god. So what's this Wonder Woman's base strength level?
     
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    Don't know. In these films, even Marvel had to figure it on certain characters like CA. Evans said he needed to talk to the director about what is supposed to be believable (I think Whedon on A: AoU). So honestly we don't know yet. We seen her lift a tank, now until we see her level struggling with something we know she should beat, we'll know they probably haven't worked it out.

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