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"Twin Peaks" Series Talkback (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'The Entertainment Board' started by KYO'NYUU IMOUTO, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. KYO'NYUU IMOUTO

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    Wow, we had no Twin Peaks threads? Well, here's one now! On a whim I started watching the series after seeing it on the front page of Hulu. This is the most incredible thing ever. Everything from the camera work, to the script, to the actors, and music is perfect. Of course, I've only seen the first eight episodes so far, so who knows if this will last (supposedly it doesn't), but it has been such a fun ride. For such a brilliant series, espicially that pilot, I can't believe we haven't see another revival of the series, espicially during this age of genre TV series'.

    Anyone else have anything to add? :p
     
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    I've been interested in rewatching it, but has it ever been fully released on DVD? I know the first release of Season 1 left off the first episode, and then for a long time Season 2 wasn't available. If it's all available, I'll definitely consider checking it out again. I remember watching it when it originally aired and thinking it was just totally bizarre. (Why my parents let their 11 year old son watch it is beyond me. Haha!) And man, that BOB sure did scare the crap out of me as a kid. I had to look away whenever he was on-screen, even during ads, because he was I found him totally frightening. And I know I'm not the only kid he scared the bejeezus out of. LOL!
     
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    Netflix also stream the series, though not the movie (Although they haven't put up the DCAU, and took down Stargate SG-1 and Farscape the latter literally a couple of days ago with no warning. It irritates me to no end.

    As regards the DVD, there was a lot of controversy about the DVD releases, with the two seasons being released, I believe, by different companies (Where's Lord Dalek when you need him?), but I think the whole thing is now unified under one and has been released in a big boxed set now.
     
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    Actually just watched this show a few months back with some friends. Loved the first season although I agree with most people that the show jumps the shark in the second season.
     
  6. KYO'NYUU IMOUTO

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    Mein thanks to the patient dude who fixed the typo in the thread title.

    To elaborate, I really do love the music for this show. Rarely does music play a big part in American TV shows of the last twenty-ish years. The great thing about Twin Peaks is that the music is allowed to become another character in the show, underlining and even defining scenes and characters. The jazz piece(s) used for Cooper, for instance, tell you everything you need to know about that character and I love it. Then there's the main theme and all it's melodrama it perfect, helping to define the mood of the show even more.
     
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    Twin Peaks "The Return: Parts 1 and 2"

    That was unlike any Twin Peaks I've ever seen.

    I promised myself before I wrote this review, that I wouldn't be overly generous simply because I love the franchise so much, and am so glad to have it back. But I also reminded myself that David Lynch constructed this as an 18 hour movie, so I probably should also keep an open mind about things I don't like. They may be important.

    This is very different than both the ABC show and Fire Walk With Me. The ABC show, as much as it seemed to take its time, at least compared to the rest of television of that era, is incredibly fast paced compared to this. Here, Lynch takes his time and has various unrelated scenes not only in Twin Peaks, but in other places across America. I don't know how all of these things tie in together yet. But I'm confident they will. It sounds crazy, but I trust David Lynch for the first time in my life. Because he's working with Mark Frost. That guy grounded him more than at any other point in his career.

    Despite the nudity and F bombs, it is also unlike Fire Walk With Me. This has a VERY cohesive narrative, while FWWM was pretty dreamlike, and sort of did it's own thing compared to the rest of the series. The relaunch is MUCH more grounded as of now.

    Love the new main title. LOVE it. It feels appropriate to have the red curtains along with the waterfall.

    I love that Jerry Horne is now a dippy, pot smoking hippie. That sounds about right.

    The Arm electric fetus tree was bizarre, like a Christmas tree from Hell, and even if I woulda preferred Michael J. Anderson back, I cannot deny it made an impression. The glass box did too.

    How is Kyle McLachlan as Evil Coop? The brief times we saw Coop's doppelganger on the old show, he was out of control and crazy. This one strikes me as every bit as evil, but he's in control of himself, probably for the same reason Leland outwardly appeared that way to others before Laura's death.

    Interesting that the Log Lady clearly has cancer. Kudos to David Lynch for not making Catherin E. Coulson wear a wig as she was dying. He wrote it into the story, which is fabulous.

    There are now two Sheriff Trumans. One of them is sick, and one of them is fishing. What does that mean?

    Upon ??????'s incomprehesible spiel in The Black Lodge, Agent Cooper says "I understand." Which nobody anywhere said about Twin Peaks ever.

    The alien showing up first and killing the couple having sex tells me that the UFO mythology with Dougie Milford and Major Briggs as seen in Mark Frost's novel The Secret History of Twin Peaks, is going to be a major plot-thread. Which again tells me that the mythology of this show back in the day, probably held up to scrutiny. Answers existed to the big stuff. We just never got them.

    The White Horse makes an appearance in the Black Lodge, which tells me that even if it didn't mean anything in the first regular episode, it does now. Which is good.

    I swooned at Madeline Zima's nude scene. She is quite beautiful, in a way she never was on Heroes. She's grown into herself in a way she never was as a child and teenage actress. I always tend to think that the older a woman gets, the better she tends to look. That happened to Zima here, and franky, Madchen Amick.

    Phillip Jeffries is still a factor, and Mr. C is in contact with him, wherever he is. Although since David Bowie is dead, we obviously won't see him (or Major Briggs) again. But I don't think he is who was on the other end of that phone call.

    The police in South Dakota was super interesting once they got into the apartment, but that fat woman neightbor was SO freaking annoying. David Lynch creates amazingly stupid people in many of his projects. Stupid beyond belief and all recognition or credibility. And it's always funny.

    Bill claiming he didn't kill the woman, but had a dream that he did, suggests that maybe Mr. C is possessing him on the side. Is that possible? And what happens to Evil Coop in the meantime?

    One thing I notice. Mr. C likes his coffee. I did not miss that. As unlike Dale as he seems, he still has many similarities.

    I am not only amazed that Mr. C played with that guy's cheeks like that, but that he sat there and took it. For a LONG time.

    Nice to see Sarah Palmer still has empty the ridiculous amount of cigarette butts in the cartoonishly huge ashtray.

    Who was the ash guy in the prison who blew up in smoke?

    What is Jacque Renoit doing alive at the Road House?

    Love the tribute to Catherine E Coulson and Frank Silva.

    We are in for quite a ride. ****1/2.

    Twin Peaks "The Return: Part 3"

    "Jade's taking you for TWO rides!" Classic.

    Also great was "Do chocolate bunnies have something to do with you heritage?" "It's not about the bunnies... Is it? No, it's NOT about the bunnies."

    I love that Coop is now insane. 25 years in the Black Lodge'll do that to a fella. I knew he was going to win all of those jackpots. I knew it.

    The visuals at the beginning were bizarre. What was that place? Who was the lady with no eyes? Intriguing stuff.

    I do not get what the deal with Dougie was, or how Mr. C could have possibly manufactured him. But he did what he was meant to: took Bob's place in the Black Lodge. I'm glad about that. I wouldn't feel right unless it was Dale himself who took down Mr. C.

    That was some interesting looking vomit.

    Return of the Blue Rose.

    That case at FBI headquarter looked both incredibly weird, and incredibly pervy.

    I loved the tribute to Don S. Davis and Miguel Ferrer too.

    Gettin' good. ****.

    Twin Peaks: "The Return: Part 4"

    I love Coop's reaction to hot coffee. And his first thumbs up in 25 years.

    Speaking of which, I loved his reaction to urinating for the first time in 25 years. He had a similar reaction in his autobiography after going without that for as long as possible, as an experiment when he was younger, and claimed it was a good substitute for sex.

    When the casino owner leans forward and tells Coop "I look forward to seeing you again ANYTIME," that was LITERALLY the last thing I expected him to say.

    The scene of Gordon and Albert at the end, shows that Twin Peaks is filled with more actual legitimate dramatic scenes than the rest of Lynch's projects, and wasn't always weirdness for the sake of weirdness. Both Cole's and Albert's worried reactions resonated with me.

    Do you know what didn't? Them watching Tanya's butt as she went to the diner. I get that the old show had jokes like that ALL the time, but this is 2017. They are no longer acceptable.

    Speaking of which, Denise's "balls of steel" line hints she is still pre-op 25 years later. What's the hold-up?

    Did Lucy huff paint when she was pregnant with Wally? Because he seems dumber than both of his parents combined. Michael Cera has never been more annoying. Which is saying something.

    Also, how does Lucy not get cell phones? That's another joke that I don't think is acceptable in 2017.

    Clever to hint that OUR Sheriff Truman is merely sick. That way, if Michael Ontkean changes his mind about future projects, he can come back. That was VERY considerate. Most TV shows would have simply killed the character off. David Lynch is not most TV producers.

    Is Naomi Watts destined to only fall in love with amnesiacs carrying large amounts of money in a bag? She definitely has a type.

    Chad is a buttwipe.

    Bobby's a cop! I love that he cries upon seeing Laura's picture. And Laura's Theme plays! That is consistent with him on the old show. The Secret History Of Twin Peaks hinted that Coop's Doppelganger murdered Major Briggs. Bobby's story about the fire here sort of confirms that idea, if not explicitly. We'll see.

    Honestly, I would prefer they ended the episodes with Laura Palmer's theme to her high school picture. The musical numbers at the Road House are not cutting it for me.

    This show is still amazing 25 years later. ****.
     
  8. Fone Bone

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    Twin Peaks "The Return: Part 5"

    Let's just say that held my interest.

    I tend to watch the clock as I'm watching this show. Every minute that gets closer to 10:00PM is a minute I dread, because that means the show is gonna be over, and I'll have to wait another week for more. I have not felt this obsessive for a TV series since Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. That's how long ago my obsession has been. Just 6 days 23 hours left until my next fix.

    This is the craziest Dr. Jacoby has ever been portrayed. Is Nadine now into him? That looked like love I saw in her eye. After that rant, I kinda see why Russ Tamblyn was hesitant to do the show after a heart attack. That must have taken a lot out of him.

    I had wondered what the deal was with the golden shovels last week. I don't know if that gag was funny enough for us to spend the time with them we did last week, but at least I understand why we did.

    Oh my God! Is that Peggy Lipton?! There is NO way a 70 year old woman should look that smoking hot. She looks like she's aged 5 years in 25. Madchen Amick also look more beautiful today than she did on the original show.

    I love the stuff with Mr. C at the prison. Who is Mr. Strawberry, and why did the warden get so spooked upon hearing that name? What does "The cow jumped over the moon" mean, and why did it trigger that box in Argentina to turn into the gold ball the original Dougie turned into? Does this hint this box is a replica of something from the Black Lodge (as Dougie was)? Why did Mr. C choose when he did to destroy it? What was up with the trick with the lights and the alarms, and how did calling a long distance phone number cause that? The guy from 24's hair just got even whiter.

    The smoking would-be rapist raised a lot of questions for me. For somebody who just covertly handed a bouncer a giant wad of cash, he sure seems to like drawing attention to himself. Why does he think he'll get away with his behavior? And why is he so far?

    Coop forgetting how to pee will never get old, and I love that Dougie Coop is still obsessed with coffee. I also love that his face lit up upon hearing the word "agent". I kind of wish they had taken the scene further where Coop said the guy was lying. Why? Because he said it, it meant he was, and I wanted to know the deal behind that.

    No Albert or Gordon this week. Bummer.

    That kid finding the car bomb made me hold my breath. I feared Lynch might be a crueler director than I thought he was. But, no, the bad guys get smoked instead.

    Why did Jade mail back the motel key and will it get Coop in trouble? TBD...

    Was super surprised to see Bob when I did. Mr. C's "It's good to see you are still with me," hints that he has melded with Bob so completely, they have stopped being separate entities. It also says it was the first time in awhile the doppelganger has seen Bob's face in the mirror. I wonder how they did the Frank Silva effect in the first place.

    I like Frank Truman, but his wife is a nightmare. How does he put up with that and stay as sane as he is? When she called him impossible, I was like "Get a divorce, Frank. Now." What amazes me is how chill he is during the entire scene. Harry waiting for test results says the illness is serious. Still, most other producers than Lynch would have actually killed the character off.

    That casino manager getting beat up tells me that him telling Coop last week to come back anytime was even more ill-advised than when he said it.

    Besides the guy who was Buchanan, we got roles for Robert Knepper, Jim Belushi, and Ernie Hudson. I think I recognized the guy Coop called a liar, but I don't know from where. Ditto for Shelly's cocaine snorting daughter / niece / girlfriend. Belushi being cast says something interesting. It is another thing that states that Lynch doesn't cast people for their acting ability, but rather for how they'll look on camera. And this role was actually really two-bit for Belushi. I'm serious. As much of a punchline as Belushi is, he usually get bigger parts than this. And this was NOT played as a celebrity cameo. It tells me that any actor anywhere will take on the smallest role to get an opportunity to work with David Lynch. And I don't exactly blame them.

    And I'll say it. Belushi didn't do much acting, but he looked good in the role. Which is why Lynch cast him.

    This is the best show on television, and frankly the best show in years. ****1/2.
     
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    I think the key was mailed back because that was the gimmick for the key. If you forgot to return it when you left, you could mail it back and postage would be paid for.

    So there's a setup that the key might find its way back to the Great Northern Hotel.

    I really feel for Shelley. Her daughter is essentially Laura Palmer v.2.0. But what can she really do? You can't force a teenager, essentially a young adult to change.

    I will say this, if Cooper spends much longer in this addled state, I won't be happy. I was fine with it for the casino episode. Now it's getting tiresome. If he doesn't snap out of it soon, I might lose it.
     
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    Twin Peaks "The Return: Part 6"

    Very slow week this week, but I again will be judging this miniseries as a whole. I will have a better frame of reference for this after Part 18.

    Still quite a few things to unwrapped this week.

    We finally meet Diane and she is Laura Dern. Laura Dern was my second choice back in the day to play the character. First choice was actually Diane Keaton. But it's good to see that me and Lynch are on the same wavelength here.

    I don't recall Carl being this angelic in Fire Walk With Me. That scene with the boy getting hit by the truck shows that even when horrible things happen in Lynch projects, Lynch has a heart. The yellow aura seems to be the boy's soul which might be the thing that hints at Coop's earlier success at the casino.

    I cannot tell if Coop is getting better or worse. Did he incidentally do a great job with his work, or was the secret message planned? I'm guessing it's the second thing. Dale is trying to break out of Dougie, and isn't quite there yet.

    Great to hear Heidi giggle again.

    Couldn't tell what was going on with that crazy drug dealer, his hands, or the dime.

    Speaking of the dime, I am curious what it was Hawk found in the stall door.

    Now we understand both why Doris is such a monster, and why Frank puts up with it. I personally think Chad is a far bigger butthole than she is.

    I sort of fell in love with Janey E Jones this episode. She's a fierce Amazon Warrior when paying back the bookies and ranting at them. What is ironic about her saying she can't afford to pay back that $52,000, is that it's a lie after Coop's casino wins. But I like that she's stingy when cleaning up Dougie's messes.

    Coop can't help help remember he likes Jade. What is funny about that is that Coop isn't the one who cheated on Janey-E with her. He just likes Jade because she was kind to him. I don't know how Janey E can possibly understand (or even forgive) that dynamic. But if Coop ever snaps out of it, hopefully he can explain it better.

    Ike the Spike worries me. Because it looks like this psychopath is gunning for Dougie next.

    Not a great week, but I never expected every episode in this 18 hour movie to be. ***.
     
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    Twin Peaks: "The Return: Part 7"

    The first 45 minutes of that was great. It would have been the best episode of the relaunch so far if not for the last 15 minutes. David Lynch is far more interested with a janitor sweeping the floor of the Road House than I am. Sigh.

    We got more information in the first three quarters of that episode than we got on the entirety of the original series. I knew these answers existed and we just never got to them. This is the precise reason the original series holds up as well as it does.

    Speaking of the Road House, the Renaults still own it? Why would ANYBODY give that family business after all of the misery they have been responsible for? Finding out Jacques' twin is involved with child prostitution is no surprise at all.

    Ben Horne seems almost gallant at this point of his life. Which is amazing. Will the noise in the Great Northern have to do with the drawer pull with Josie's face in it? TBD...

    Theories that the bathroom stall contained pages from Laura Palmer's diary were correct. I can't believe 25 years later we actually got to hear some of the missing passages. This also ties Annie's scene in Fire Walk With Me back to the Secret Diary. Mark Frost is dotting all of his i's and crossing all of his t's there. I was a bit reproachful that "The Secret History Of Twin Peaks" did not contain the lost diary pages. This is why it didn't. One missing page left. Leland hiding the pages in a bathroom stall at the sheriff's department sound exactly like something he would do. Although I can't figure out how he got the pages in the door in the first place.

    Do you know what is ironic about the passages we heard from the missing pages? The Secret Diary itself hinted they were ripped out because they were incriminating. But if they were, it seems like it's only in a way a guy like BOB would understand. Nobody else would think Leland was BOB just based on what we heard. The dream about Annie and Cooper being ripped out strikes me as especially strange. Maybe Mr. C was Bob's plan all along, and ripping out those pages is him covering his tracks for his future crimes. Outside of the murder mystery itself, Fire Walk With Me never fit in too well with the rest of the canon. Mark Frost is now making sure it does. Which is really cool since he had nothing to do with it.

    Janey E is pretty much indispensible in protecting Dougie from strangers. What amazes me is that Cooper still manages to save her life from Ike the Spike.

    Hawk and Frank getting an idea about the deal with the Good Cooper and the Bad Cooper makes me wish they would compare notes with Gordon Cole and the FBI.

    Speaking of Cole, I pretty much love that Diane Evans turns out to be a profane ahole. It is strongly hinted Mr. C raped her on the last night he saw her before disappearing, which explains her behavior entirely. "I wiill never forget our last night together." Mr. C is such a b@stard.

    What was up with the guy who stood up Andy? And what's with Jerry Horne being missing?

    Why did the original Dougie have Cooper's room key at the Great Northern? That I have no clue.

    Is the headless body Major Briggs'? How is that possible?

    Warren Frost died? Frickin' 2017!

    I love that Lynch is still making Harry a presence on the show even without Michael Ontkean. Most producers would not be that kind.

    Almost a great episode. Either way we got more info about the cliffhangers to the original series that we ever got. ****1/2.
     
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    Twin Peaks "The Return: Part 8"

    What da f*** was that?

    I love artsy fartsy Lynch, but to be honest, due to the soundtrack and loud screeching noises, I found this mostly a headache. But it did raise the right questions.

    First of all, Nine Inch Nails? Is that actually considered music? Who could possibly listen to something like that and find any measure of pleasure in it? I never heard them before, and it is some of the most atrocious so-called music I've ever been subjected to.

    Who were the homeless guys who shredded Mr. C? Are they the same species as the Woodsman? Is BOB the same species as the Woodsman? What was up with the giant bug? Was the girl whose mouth it went into Sarah Palmer?

    We had been previously led to believe (before The Secret History Of Twin Peaks at any rate) that BOB was a Demon. This more clearly says he's an alien. Is the place where The Giant and the large woman are the White Lodge? It strikes me that it should be. Was Laura Palmer's soul born there? Is her soul alien?

    The Woodsman's radio message raised a lot more questions about Sarah Palmer's horse. The fact that The Secret Diary Of Laura Palmer had a horse so prominently featured, makes me think there is something larger with them and the mythology going on.

    Speaking of The Woodsman, there is the trademark grotesque David Lynch head-wound right there. I thank God it was in black and white this time, and pray that this is the only one for this project. They are the thing I hate most about Lynch movies, and I hope this was him getting that out of his system.

    Two weeks until the next new episode? Bummer. **.
     
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    Twin Peaks "The Return: Part 9"

    I really hope that is the last we see of the druggie girl with a rashy armpit. Different things often seem to interest David Lynch than they do me.

    I think William's tantrum reminds me greatly of Sarah Palmer in the Pilot. The difference to me is that I think Sarah's grief was justified. And there were critics of the series who found that performance unintentionally funny. They were @$$holes in my opinion. But William is playing the exact same scene. Whereas Grace Zabriskie walked up to the line of being over the top, Matthew Lillard crosses it. As much pain as he is, I agree with Albert when he calls him a fruitcake.

    Diane is right about something. People should be allowed to smoke in morgues. What is the freaking worst that can happen?

    I think Andy and Lucy's thing with the chairs was saccharine. But that has been with the series since the beginning. I don't want them to change that aspect of the show, even if it makes me gag.

    I love that everybody hates Chad. Hawk had to be seriously convinced to open the door for him. Not only do they all seem to recognize he's a dirty cop, they think he just plain smells bad.

    We never really spent a ton of time with Betty Briggs in the Original Series. And we see now that was a mistake. Charlotte Stewart was amazing, and her and Dana Ashbrook are fantastic with each other. I think it's clear that Bobby has completely reformed, just based on Major Briggs. There's other hints, such as the fact that he hates Chad too, but just the fact that Major Briggs told his wife Bobby would be there 25 years later shows that Bobby has truly turned his life around. And I love that even after his death, his father can still amaze him with the amount of love he possessed.

    The metal tone puzzle box was cool. Opening it was not subtle. At all.

    I would have liked to have heard a little more from Janey E about what she thinks is going on. I wonder if she is aware that Dougie had no paperwork before 1997. She's his wife. She should know that, right?

    That squealing, giggling cop is SO annoying, and one of those people right out of the beginning of Fire Walk Me. I recognized this type of person as the unhelpful cop in this universe.

    Ike the Spike is boned.

    The fact that Mr. C has people loyal to him reminds me that he has lived an entire life in this universe for 25 years. Leland had people who he loved and loved him too. Mr. C may be possessed by evil, but I think it's interesting that many people in his life do not see him that way.

    It is clear BOB is still Mr. C. I think the theory that the Woodsmen tore him out of him last week is wrong.

    Jerry Horne's thing with the tiny foot was hilarious, and a bit nerve-wracking. I don't know why that scenario worried me as much as it did, but even if it don't compare to the Red Room for freakiness, the level of horror there is still in the same ballpark.

    Ben Horne is a good man. Which amazes me and I wonder how he got there.

    Definitely more conventional than last week, which is good. I could not handle last week every week. ****.
     
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    Twin Peaks "The Return: Part 10"

    Richard Horne is a monster. Leaving aside him murdering Miriam in cold blood, he beats up his grandmother in front of his developmentally disabled uncle, and steals all her money. As bad as Sylvia was on the old series, and as badly as she treated Ben in that phone call, I have a hard time understanding why Ben didn't want to send her money after that, even if they were divorced. I don't get that reaction. Either Ben is worse than we thought, or Sylvia REALLY did a number on him. I'm guessing it's the first thing, because the number would have to be cartoonishly huge for Ben to refuse to help after that, and still hold the high ground.

    Can you believe Jacoby used to be a psychiatrist? That's the joke, I guess, but it's a REALLY uncomfortable one.

    Naomi Watts is still a nude goddess. She musta seen Coop with his shirt off before that (she DOES seem to dress him) but I don't think she fully appreciated the new hunkiness until the doctor pointed it out. And no lie, Kyle MacLachlan is CUT, especially for a guy his age. I see it. They are both very lucky, and I love the idea that Cooper's motionless sex was far more satisfying to Janey E than the real Dougie, probably entirely due to stamina. I fully ship these two people now. Audrey who?

    Cole is starting to see the visions Cooper did. It's amazing that gift has transferred to him. His surprise suggests this is the first time it's happened, so it must mean something that this gift occurred to him when it did.

    Diane's a Black Hat? Need more info before rendering an actual judgment here.

    Poor Shelly's daughter. It's Laura Palmer all over again, if Bobby or James ever beat her. I appreciated Carl for actually stopping his song, and not getting back to it. Even if he doesn't feel comfortable helping, at least he didn't go on as if everything was fine and normal. That's not something that everyone would do.

    I miss Catherine E Coulson.

    I hate Chad.

    I love that the Mitchum brothers seem to try to be comforting and settling down Candy after she accidentally hits one of them in the face in pursuit of a fly. It reminds me of how completely accomodating Butch was in Pulp Fiction to his hot mess of a girlfriend. That moment was basically Butch asking her how breakfast was after he was beaten and nearly raped earlier in the day. They put her needs ahead of theirs. And we get confirmation this is what is happening when they say to each other, "We can't fire her, she has nowhere else to go." I love that these ruthless casino owners have such a sense of altruism about one of their most troublesome employees. That's really cool, although I am NOT certain this patience will last forever. But I hope it does. It's an endearing quirk.

    Interesting week. ****.
     
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    Twin Peaks "The Return: Part 12"

    I predicted when I rewatch all this later, this will wind up being my least favorite hour of the miniseries. It bordered on dreadful.

    First up, Audrey: There is NO way a knob like Clark Middleton deserves a goddess like Sherilyn Fenn. But then seeing the way she acted, maybe he did. Him refusing to tell her about the other end of the phone call was the perfect revenge against that type of abuse. There are small ways a dump like Charlie can get back at a dish like Audrey. That is one of them.

    Gordon's girlfriend takes a ridiculous amount of time to leave the room. When he told Albert he worried about him, I was like "The wrong friend is worrying about the wrong friend." But considering Albert's expression and refusal to indulge Gordon, maybe he isn't.

    We finally got an explanation for the Blue Rose cases 25 years later. Once of the frustrating things about Twin Peaks being canceled when it was, is that unlike Lynch's other projects, the mythology holds together. There was a lot of unexplainable stuff. But the sense I always got from the Black lodge and other mysteries is that Lynch and Mark Frost DID have those answers written down somewhere, and the series just never got around to them because its run was so short. The Return has confirmed this hypothesis to me many times so far.

    The scene with Ben Horne and Sheriff Truman was pretty much the only scene I actually liked in the episode. Richard Beymer was great.

    I was beyond frustrated that the Sarah Palmer stuff went absolutely nowhere. Maybe we'll get back to it next week. But Lynch is usually able to make something like that a TINY bit interesting at first glance. And this was just infuriating.

    I've had enough of Dr. Amp. It's just the same joke over and over again. Stop. Now.

    I like Carl on the relaunch far more than I did in Fire Walk With Me.

    Diane's realization that something is going down in Twin Peaks said "I'm going to have to visit the town that ruined my life." And I'm guessing for the first time ever.

    That sucked. *.
     
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    Twin Peaks "The Return: Part 13"

    Mostly favorable impression, but I liked (or loved) the first half more than the second. For some reason, the Mr. C and Dougie stuff captivated me while the stuff in Twin Peaks did not.

    I love Mr. C's mind-games during the arm wrestling match. He lets him almost win at several points just to prove he'll never win. I wonder if he would have killed the guy had he not punched him in the back of the head. Return of the Jade ring too. According to The Secret History Of Twin Peaks, that ring has quite a place in American history. Richard Nixon once wore it. It is not just Laura (or now Ray's) doom.

    Is Ed Hurley eating Garmonbozia at the end? Is that his pain and suffering? More importantly, why is the still soap opera stuff going on with Big Ed and Norma? It's been 25 years. Enough already.

    Anthony Sinclair turns out not to be a bad guy. Instead he's weak. And Dougie's weird massage shows that Cooper has the uncanny ability to do or say the one crazy thing in any given dangerous situation that would save his life. I'm reminded of that dynamic between Trashcan Man and The Kid in Stephen King's The Stand.

    The look of pure love Naomi Watts gives Dougie is pretty much something I would pay any amount of money to have her throw it in my direction. She is radiant in that moment. My thoughts about Naomi Watts is that Chad Everett is the luckiest guy in the world for getting to make out with her the way he did in Mulholland Dr.. The fact that he is now dead does not change that fact.

    I'm beginning to think Charlie doesn't actually exist and that Audrey is crazy. I see some crazy parallels with her behavior and Leland Palmer. I'm wondering if the Nancy Drew person her younger self used to be actually looked for Cooper and found the Black Lodge at some point. She clearly isn't trapped there, but neither was Leland. Is a Familiar either controlling her body as it did Leland, or controlling her life as it did Laura? Because I'm starting to not take Charlie's reality at face value. Him talking about ending her story hints that perhaps he is going to reveal the truth that she is insane and that he does not exist. I hated their stuff last week, but Charlie's newly sinister behavior held my interest for the first time tonight.

    Twin Peaks is known for amazing music. "Just You And I" is literally the one exception. It is awful and even if I like seeing James again, I still hated having to hear it again. It's pretty much one step above the Barney Song in being an obnoxious earworm.

    The stuff with Sarah Palmer was tedious for the second week in a row. Unlike last week, it had no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

    Better than last week. The first half was outright great. ****.
     
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    This season has definitely been a test on audience patience and thresholds.

    Based on this episode, my theory is that Lynch and Frost are showing scenes out of order on purpose. There's no way that diner scene where Bobby Briggs eats with Big Ed and then Walter comes in and talks to Norma happens AFTER he was talking there with Shelly and Becky and the gunshot goes off through the window of the diner.
     
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    You are right. My guess is that Lynch doesn't actually care about the continuity of the show, and simply puts the scenes in the episodes they work best with. It is not unheard of to tell a story in this non-linear of a fashion (see Pulp Fiction) but usually the project lets you know that is what is happening. A lot of fans have theorized that the stuff with Mr. C and Dougie all takes place two weeks earlier than the stuff in Twin Peaks. What is annoying is that it could be true and it could be false. And we'll probably never know because Lynch is less interested in a cohesive narrative, than making the audience have specifics reactions to the things that happen to Dougie and Mr. C. And I think Lynch probably reasons that these things resonate as a narrative more if certain scenes are placed in certain episodes for balance, regardless of when they occur. I think Lynch is wrong to do that, but Lynch has always been a guy more interested in the feeling the project gives the viewer than whether the project's story itself hold up to scrutiny. I had hoped with Mark Frost back, he could have balanced this perspective a bit, but I think he's just lettin' Lynch be Lynch. We'll find out on September 3rd whether that was a mistake or not.

    I have always been more invested in the storyline to Twin Peaks than David Lynch has been. This is pretty much true of everyone who ever was a fan of the show. I am holding out judgment until the last episode, but the truth is Twin Peaks ALWAYS tried people's patience. The whole "Who killed Laura Palmer?" thing being stretched out as long as it was made people so mad, ABC forced Lynch to kill the Golden Goose and reveal it. I think the series is better in hindsight for having revealed it, but there is no denying the reveal killed a lot of the appeal of the show. And that's not even addressing the cliffhanger ending, or Fire Walk With Me, both of which were incredibly unpopular with both fans and critics. Personally, I still don't like the ending, but Fire Walk With Me has definitely grown on me. After the first terrible 30 minutes, it is legitimately a great film.

    What would surprise me most about the Twin Peaks relaunch is if Lynch never pissed me off. The only thing I expected going in was not knowing what to expect, and as far as I'm concerned, Lynch has delivered on that. As frustrated as I currently am about certain things (like Dougie's catatonia and Audrey's witchiness) I am willing to give Lynch the chance to finish the story the way he wants to tell it. If it winds up sucking, I'll say so, but I'm not willing to lose the faith just yet. My feelings about the relaunch are overwhelmingly positive so far.
     
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    Yeah I will wait to pass judgement until the end.

    That being said, I'm sick of Dougie and want it to stop.
     
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    Twin Peaks "The Return: Part 14"

    This episode was a bit of a relief to me. I felt the last four or five episodes had been spinning their wheels entirely too much. We don't have many Twin Peaks episodes left, and Lynch wasted a lot of time on Janitors sweeping, Jacoby spray painting gold shovels, and Sarah watching a black and white boxing match on a loop. But just based on this episode, Lynch has the narrative back on track. And I should have trusted him. Everybody used to talk smack about Lynch's storytelling style back in the 1990's. But Twin Peaks is literally one of the only series from that era that still holds up. The mythology is SOUND, and holds together surprisingly well. After rewatching the series on DVD and then Blu-Ray years later, I became convinced that Twin Peaks was unlike a lot of other David Lynch projects in that the answers to the big questions probably existed, and the series simply never lasted long enough to answer them. But I pictured all of the mythology points about the Black Lodge, BOB, and the Red Room were all entirely mapped out in a secret series Bible. Whether they are answered NOW seems unlikely to me. But I am positive the answers DO exist.

    Lets start off with the amount of answers we got tonight. Which WAS an insane amount. The answers didn't actually make sense, but this is Twin Peaks. They never should. The fact that we still got them is significant. I believe Andy was chosen to visit the White Lodge and the Fireman, because with Agent Cooper and Major Briggs M.I.A., the White Lodge is recruiting him to be the next Archivist, as seen in The Secret History Of Twin Peaks. And I love that it's Andy who is now the point man in Twin Peaks weirdness, and now has the answers Agent Cooper used to. That is an irresistible idea that I'm betting excited Harry Goaz upon reading it.

    The second major thing to note is that Diane is Janey-E's sister. Which might explain another reason Mr. C want Dougie dead, even if he's not a threat otherwise. If people figure out Janey E's connection to Diane, everything unravels and the truth is known. I have gotten fed up with poor Cooper's catatonia, and frankly worried that Lynch might actually saddled him with this trauma for the rest of the series. Getting Cole, Diane, and Albert involved is the first step towards fixing things.

    Diane hates Janey E. I can see it. Because I love Janey E and I hate Diane. That makes sense to me.

    Love the dedication to David Bowie.

    The end scene at the Road House states that Audrey is not crazy, or at least not entirely. Tina and Billy exist and Billy IS missing. What is actually the deal with Audrey and Charlie is another thing, but whatever it is isn't taking place entirely in Audrey's mind as she is going insane.

    I'm wondering if this is the first person Sarah Palmer has ever murdered. I'd be surprised if it was. The face trick she pulled tells me full stop that she is the girl who swallowed the Alien Bug as she slept in "Got A Light." She is the Virgin Mary to Laura Palmer's Jesus.

    I am a little miffed they waited this long to introduce Freddie, simply because he is obviously going to have a huge role in the last episode, and I feel that could have been set up better. But I like him and his take on Jobsworths nonetheless.

    I love that the other cops don't actually tell Chaz why he's under arrest. He knows why.

    I think what happened to Andy pretty much states that the black and white place IS the White Lodge. He sat in a very similar woodland looking chair to Major Briggs, as Garland recounted his experience there to Cooper and Betty on the original series. Weirdly, Brigg's flashback there was in color, but it was the same chair and Woodland background. So now we know ?????? is actually the Fireman, and that he's the guy who watches over the White Lodge. Good to know.

    The past few weeks have worried me, but things are back on track. *****.
     

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