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Discussion in 'The Adult Swim/Toonami Forum' started by Cartoon X, Apr 20, 2013.
Wait, what happened with this?
Just google HunterXHunter vs JoJo and read the threads.
Huh. Didn't expect that. I mean, the two don't exactly have a lot in common.
Jojo debuted in 1987 while HxH debuted in 1998, the two are quite different in tone and style, and they aren't even published in the same magazine anymore.
Then again, they are both long-running series that had new anime adaptations pretty recently, which resulted in tremendously dedicated fanbases, so...I dunno.
Some long-running shonen fans are zealots who believe "there can only be one" true shonen and the rest are imposers. The fact that they came out at the same time also causes friction.
Top 25 ratings are in. We have hit a shocking new low.
Dragonball Z Kai: 779,000.
Tokyo Ghoul: 548,000
JoJo under 600,000 and losing about 180,000 viewers from Kai. That's heinous. The ratings keep getting worse and worse.
Full ratings counting Family Guy lead-in:
:10:30 Family Guy: 1,156,000
11:00 Dragon Ball Super (r) 825 0.39 505
11:30 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 779 0.37 472
12:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 595 0.28 364
12:30a Tokyo Ghoul 548 0.25 326
1:00a Hunter X Hunter 524 0.24 311
1:30a Lupin the 3rd: Part 4 448 0.21 267
2:00a Naruto: Shippuden 510 0.23 297
2:30a Outlaw Star 463 0.22 283
3:00a Attack on Titan (r) 451 0.22 282
I wonder when Gundam comes, if it will take JoJo's place and JoJo will be placed in the deathslot. Some doomsayers predict it will be after Shippuden. I hope that's not the case. I know that JoJo and Lupin have been tanking in the ratings, but they have their fans. Still, Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans did slightly better in the ratings (although it dropped a lot too). It seems that JoJo, Gundam, and Lupin are all casual repellents with vocal hardcore fanbases.
I could see them putting IBO season two on an earlier timeslot. While it wasn't a huge ratings hit either, it is a new season and they tend to put new shows on the best timeslot possible. The new season can't come fast enough as far as I'm concerned.
Good lord, that JoJo drop.
They may as well move Lupin behind Shippuden at this rate.
These numbers are just continuing to decline, I mean at one point 500 thousand was the lowest and one show would see that, now it is nearly a norm.
I'd like to put some of the blame on the hurricane and the fight, but...yikes.
At least Outlaw Star is steadily holding the same audience Stand Alone Complex did, though I was expecting a slight rise based off the hype I saw online. Guess some people are all talk and no action.
A large portion of the people who hype up Toonami and Toonami shows don't watch it. I went to a Toonami panel at Tokyo in Tulsa 2017 and they had Toonami's "new schedule" (which included Sword Art Online and Michiko and Hatchin). It is obvious that people love the nostalgic appeal of the block's existence, but hardly anyone wants to stay up late at night when the sub can be legally streamed online and the dub can be illegally streamed (JoJo fans are probably watching the dub on pirate sites more than on Toonami or adultswim.com). I wonder if having a Toonami Jetstream and moving JoJo dubs there would help things. The slot could be free for more casual anime and JoJo fans can marathon the dub without having to wait a week. Everyone wins.
I gotta be honest, I forgot that Toonami was airing new episodes this week. I thought this was the Kai marathon.
Wait, you went to a panel this year that had a schedule with older shows on it?
Yes. It was fan-run, not an official Toonami panel (they only do things around Atlanta, I think). The people in charge thought the 2015 schedule was up-to-date. It's pretty obvious that a large portion of "Toonami" fans love the concept of Toonami but don't watch it because of how late at night it is.
I got to admit it was cool to see DBZ Kai make 7000 thousand for 3 airings.
Top 25 ratings are in. Nothing on Toonami made the top 25, the first time that has ever happened in nu-Toonami history. Of course, no non-weather or sports program made the top 25 either.
We can blame both the hurricanes and the fact that cable is decreasing. Still, I think we can expect some pretty terrible ratings.
EDIT: So, just found some of the ratings, and they aren't too bad, but they are still pretty bad...
11:30 PM: Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters: 849,000
12:00 AM: JoJo's Bizarre Adventures: Stardust Crusaders: 654,000
12:30 AM: Tokyo Ghoul: 567,000
1:30 AM: Lupin the Third: Part Four: 513,000
And yeah, the hurricanes took a major toll on the ratings. I'm also assuming that most viewers were also watching the news, for example The Weather Channel. It had the highest viewers that day, and it's pretty explainable why.
Full ratings with Family Guy lead-in:
10:30 Family Guy: 1,275,000
11:00 Dragon Ball Super (r) 913 0.42 539
11:30 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 849 0.39 501
12:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 655 0.30 393
12:30a Tokyo Ghoul 567 0.26 330
1:00a Hunter X Hunter 553 0.26 336
1:30a Lupin the 3rd: Part 4 514 0.23 295
2:00a Naruto: Shippuden 531 0.24 311
2:30a Outlaw Star 417 0.19 246
3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 374 0.17 215
3:30a Attack on Titan (r) 362 0.15 193
Super making over 900,000 is okay. I know that rabid Naruto fans from other boards are still arguing for Shippuden and JoJo to switch slots and using its ability to beat Lupin as evidence that Shippuden should be at the front of the block. Bebop rerun number 8,512,358 did just as bad as expected, under 400,000 because we've seen it a million times, but Outlaw Star isn't doing that great either.
Bebop's basically been on forever, and I've still never seen a single episode. On the subject of ratings, Toonami should start hyping up the return of Iron-Blooded Orphans in a few weeks' time.