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"The Dark Knight" Talkback (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'DC Live-Action Movies and Television' started by Bird Boy, Jul 18, 2008.

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  1. Drachentöter

    Drachentöter Good night. And good luck.

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    Hmm...I thought maybe Gordon was being a little philosophical and considering Two-Face and Harvey two separate people at that point. So, in his mind, Harvey was dead and it was Two-Face's fault...But you're probably right, I'm probably just stretching it.
     
  2. Damien

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    This is why the ending fell flat for me.....

    Anyway, funny that the voice issue would come up now, after the past performances the article points out. I will admit, Batman did seem pretty monotone this go-round. He got mad for Maroni, but that's about it.
     
  3. Batman

    Batman The Dark Knight

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    I love how Nolan basically showed The Joker's rise to power in The Criminal World in this film.

    He truly is a Criminal Mastermind .

    1. He Steals 68 Million from The Mob ,
    2. Then cons them into being a part of his game
    3. He kills two key members of the mob
    4. he toys with Batman, Gordon & Dent
    5. He corrupted Harvey Dent
    6. He messes with The Police & The City Officials
    7. He creates Choas in Gotham city & to it's citizens
     
  4. Russkafin

    Russkafin Bringer of Darkness

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    I'm glad I wasn't the only one who didn't think the numbers added up on that "five dead" comment.

    What about when Batman and Joker are fighting at the construction site near the end, and Joker says something like "Oh the old familiar places"? What's he talking about? Anyone know what that line meant?
     
  5. Batman

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    Next time I see The Dark Knight I will have to try and tally up the five dead people. At most all I can figure out is four unless Gordon includes Two-Face himself and maybe a copy from hospital. That's stretching it but it would fit I think. I saw it again this weekend and it still holds up great. I plan to see it once more on IMAX before it leaves my area in a few weeks. I am just waiting for the inevitable backlask against this movie to begin.
     
  6. warnerbroman

    warnerbroman Active Member

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    look up "The Dark Knight- Joker Interrogation Scene Spoof" and you will see the one problem the movie has
     
  7. Batman

    Batman The Dark Knight

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    The Joker was talking about all the vulnerable spots on Batman batsuit where he had no protection against Knives & Gunfire .

    The Joker then uses a switchblade knife to stab Batman repeatedly on the side of his rib cage where he has no armor .
     
  8. Batboy

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    Ahem, Batman Returns all over again?

    "The age rating given in Britain to the U.S. blockbuster movie "The Dark Knight" is inaccurate given its violence, a growing number of complaints contend. In addition to 70 complaints delivered to the British Board of Film Classification regarding the newest Batman film, Member of Parliament Keith Vaz criticized the government board for allowing young children to see it."

    http://gawker.com/5032525/the-dark-knight-is-too-violent-for-wussy-brit-youths
     
  9. Silly McGooses

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    And I criticize for Keith Vaz for buying into the idea that it's the government's role to tell any citizen what movie they can't watch, so I guess we're even. :p
     
  10. SirLemming

    SirLemming a playa in a world of NPCs

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    Although TDK carries itself with all the darkness and maturity of an R-rated movie, and has some extremely intense scenes, most of the actual extreme violence occurs (just barely) offscreen. Two-Face is pushing it, but most teenagers have seen worse.
     
  11. Mist

    Mist Celebrating 20 Years of Sonic

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    I dont think any of us should be mad that parents have objections to this movie's rating.

    They're not saying the movie is BAD, (heck, everyone and their mom is saying this is one of the best movies ever) theyre just saying its inappropriate for kids, and I wholeheartedly agree. This film is extremely violent, and no child should see it.
     
  12. KYO'NYUU IMOUTO

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    Not really, I for one did not see blood or guts pouring all over the place. Heck, that dog bite was the only thing that is gruesom so far as I can tell.
     
  13. The Overlord

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    I think the pencil trick might freak some kids out.
     
  14. Mist

    Mist Celebrating 20 Years of Sonic

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    Of course it wasnt Saw-level violence, but in the opening scene, several men are shot, (one repeatedly) another electrocuted, and I think a school bus ran over another.

    In another scene, the Joker impales a man's head with a pencil.

    In another, the Joker cuts a smile over someone's face.

    In another, there is a videotape of a man crying and shivering in horror before the Joker kills him

    In another, a man has a giant gash on his stomach with a bomb inside which the Joker detonates

    Several police officers and mob members are shot to death

    a man has his face set on fire, we then see his face horribly scarred and mutilated

    a woman tied to a chair is blown up by a bomb

    Batman gets stabbed many times in areas of his suit which have no armor

    a man in set on fire on top of a pile of money )though it is never seen)

    Just becuase certain deaths are not seen, and there isnt any blood in other deaths, doesnt make it any less disturbing and inappropriate for children. The scene with the guy on a videotape, crying as the Joker threatens to kill him is very haunting and twsited. The opening scene has very eerie music and sets a feeling of forboding and dread. No child should view this movie. (Again, I love this movie, but NO CHILD SHOULD SEE IT. If I had kids, I wouldnt let any of them see it until they were older.)

    I remember seeing Collateral, which was rated R for violence. I was expecting a lot of blood and guts, but it was very tame. Lots of people were shot, but it was done Dark-Knight style, with no blood. If that movie got an R rating just for people being shot, with no blood, then why doesnt The Dark Knight get the same rating? People die left and right in TDK, mostly by gunshot.

    I think WB gave the MPAA a briefcase of money and said 'this suitcase say you should give us a PG-13 rating.' and the MPAA was like 'mmm ok'
     
  15. KYO'NYUU IMOUTO

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    And by child do we mean what exactly? Ages three to nine? Well of course, but considering most of the gruesom violence is 'off-screen' I don't see much a reason a twelve year old should be barred from a PG-13 film.
     
  16. TacoHunter

    TacoHunter Master of None

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    Its PG-13, meaning parental guidence for children under the age of 13. I think that fits the movie pretty well.

    If I had a youngin' of my own, I might hold off on letting them watch it, its pretty damn frightening after all. But if I'd say this youngster was old enough to not be to horrified by it, I'd let 'em watch it. 'Cause its pretty awesome, and I think my kids need to be exposed to awesome-ness, so that they turn out awesome.

    Also the diffrence between Dark Knight and Collateral is that this is clearly fantasy violence, while Collateral was trying for a bit more realism. Though I agree that Collateral's violence was pretty tame, if not down right boring. I except more ultra violence out of my movies now.
     
  17. defunctzombie

    defunctzombie 1992 not 2002
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    I took a seven and a ten year old with me, the ten year old loved it, no wincing or hiding at all. The seven year old didn't like some of the ending parts, but Two Face didn't scare her and she thought the pencil trick was funny.

    The only reason I took them was because I knew they could handle it. Instead of saying "no child under X years old should see this movie", I say that people should use their judgment. I saw movies like this when I was little, but that's because my mom knew I could handle it.
     
  18. Temple Fugate

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    That's pretty much my take on it as well. I saw movies much worse than this when I was eight and I had no problem with them. If I had an eight or nine-year old, I would take them to see this movie, unless they simply didn't like Batman, in which case I'd kick them out of the house.
     
  19. SirLemming

    SirLemming a playa in a world of NPCs

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    I normally don't dissect posts bit by bit, but I just have to respond to some of these things that make it sound so much worse than it really is:

    None of which was very graphic, just intense. You didn't see blood and exit wounds, or people twitching violently as they were electrocuted.

    Mostly unseen.

    Mostly unseen.

    Yeah... before.

    Gruesome, yes, but mostly psychologically. It's a scar, not a bleeding open wound.

    Again, no exit wound.

    I'll give you that one. That's the one that puts the movie on the fence.

    Unseen.

    No blood.

    Unsee-- oh, yeah.

    Inappropriate for children, of course. But teens? I think most would be unscathed by it. It's either a really light R or a heavy PG-13, and I can see why WB would've fought for the latter. And I don't mind that, because the movie really isn't too much for teens to take. (And come on, eerie music? Why would that matter?)

    Now, if certain parents take their 6-year-old kids into PG-13 movies without checking to see if the movies are appropriate first, that's their problem. If there is a problem with the ratings system here, it's that PG isn't used often enough, which has given PG-13 a softer image.
     
  20. Hanshotfirst1138

    Hanshotfirst1138 Singing drunken lullabies

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    Of course, if stars a superhero in a cape, it must be a movie for children :rolleyes:! I don't think that it's so much the content of the movie that's bothering a lot of people (it's violent, but IMO not moreso that some other movies that have been slapped with the rating are far more gruesome), but the tone. The movie is dark. Thematically and ideologically, it's incredibly bleak. The essential thematic points and psychological themes-our society is on the precipice of anarchy, the power of the evil, terrorist, etc.-are extremely dark. And intense. Harvey threatening Gordon's family at the end isn't actually all that violent-even Harvey's "death" is mostly offscreen-but that's a deeply uncomfortable scene. It's not a movie for kids. Nor does it claim to be. But people are looking only at the surface. It's like comparing the violence in Blade II, vs. something like Saving Private Ryan. The former is probably far more gory, but it's all aestheticized and cartoonish. Ryan is a deeply uncomfortable movie to watch, with violence that actually hits home. It's a not a Friday the 13th sequel where the violence is pornographic spectacle. It actually has a point, and it makes people uncomfortable, which is exactly what it wants to do, not in a button-pushing way, but a deeper way. Plus, the way that America seems to have no problem with violence but cringes away from anything resembling sex remains a mystery to me. I talked with a soccer mom at work who had a problem with Wall-E picking up a bra in the movie. I didn't ask if she'd had any issue with violence, but it goes to show something, I think. Just my thoughts.
     
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