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"The Dark Knight Rises" Pre-Release Discussion, Part 3 (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'DC Live-Action Movies and Television' started by James Harvey, Jun 8, 2010.

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  1. James Harvey

    James Harvey The World's Finest
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    With The Dark Knight Rises, the sequel to The Dark Knight, scheduled to hit theatres in July 2012, details are slowly starting to come to light. Keep it on this thread to discuss the latest news, speculation, rumors, and more, for this highly-anticipated sequel!

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    -The Official "The Dark Knight" Sequel News & Discussion Thread, Part 2 (Spoilers)
    -The Official "The Dark Knight" Sequel News & Discussion Thread, Part 1 (Spoilers)

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  2. dark knight acolyte

    dark knight acolyte Deep in the Shadows of Gotham

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    They did recast a major character in the last movie (Rachel Dawes), which I think does open the door a small (microscopic) crack for the notion that a Joker cameo could be forthcoming in the third installment, but I don't think that will happen. I can see a reference, but I really believe Chris Nolan will avoid a recast out of respect for his own work. Even if Heath were alive, I think that tidy, clean apprehension and final dialogue between Joker and Batman was perfect, leaving an assumed rivalry ahead and the audience salivating for more. Better to leave folks wanting more... while tastefully ending a damn good thing.

    As for villains in the third film, Nolan is obviously going to go for a realistic villain (no super-powers) that fits a specific theme. The first movie was fear, the next was escalation, and I get the impression the third movie is identity and perception. Just a guess, from where the last movie left off. Perfect villains for this mold would be Riddler or, my personal hope, Hugo Strange (at least for a role). He can take a creative license on either, and the rogues don't end there. I do personally feel we'll see one major villain and a minor villain. Certainly not Ras, though.... (at least I don't think). And for those who scoff at the notion of Hugo Strange, bear in mind that justifying whether or not the villain will be used solely on their FULL comic book background (i.e. Hugo desiring to BE Batman) doesn't hold merit. As long as Nolan HONORS the source material, he can play with it. It's like clay.... everyone can mold the same thing, but each mold can be different (and will be!).

    My final point is- ENOUGH OF THE ROBIN AND BATGIRL CAMEO predictions, wishes, etc. etc. Nolan has already announced that he wants to use these third installment to FINISH THE STORY,which has to mean wrap up the franchise. He seems the careful, calculating director who pays great respect for his work and its polish, not selling out for toys or wants. He just wants a great story. I don't know how Robin, Batgirl, Babs, Oracle, Dick Grayson or any of it pushes the story along aside from to potentially convolute things and leave too many loose ends.

    Peace, all!
     
  3. rggkjg1

    rggkjg1 Batman v Superman

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    if there is one big story binding the 3 films together, a 4th film wouldn't hurt it. it would just be a stand alone film. there will no doubt be alot of money and talk thrown around to get everyone back for a 4th film. if it falls appart, i hope they just leave it at that and not reboot it or bring in new cast and crew.
     
  4. suss2it

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    Are you saying that after the 3rd film they should not make any more Batman movies if they can't get the cast and crew?
     
  5. rggkjg1

    rggkjg1 Batman v Superman

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    Rebooting one of the most iconic comic book/super hero film franchise of the millennial decade in such a brief amount of time will be a terrible decision.
     
  6. W.C.Reaf

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    Who said they have to reboot the franchise after the old team leave? They can just continue on like Batman Forever did after Returns, that wasn't a reboot it was just telling a new Batman story with a different director and crew.

    Why can't Batman or Spider-Man just continue telling stories set loosely in the continuity of previous films? Why do they need to reboot these films?
     
  7. rggkjg1

    rggkjg1 Batman v Superman

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    which is exactly why they shouldn't do that when nolan and bale are officially finished with batman. haven't we learned anything from batman forever and batman & robin??
    they should keep making sequels instead. when the actors and crew are no longer interested, it's time to leave the franchise alone and revive it a number of years later (because they're just going to revive it anyway).
     
  8. Young Justice

    Young Justice Silent Master Apprentice

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    I think a sequel can be made with different creative direction, different director and/or actors. Batman Forever was not perfect but for me it was better than Returns. Batman & Robin was awful but not because it was a sequel of Burton's Batman, but simply because it was a bad movie.

    Incredible Hulk was a loose sequel from Hulk and it worked well. James Bond had done this for years, before the quasi-reboot of Casino Royale and it worked very well. "Living Daylights" and "Goldeneye" were excellent Bond movies.

    If Nolan and Bale decide to quit after the 3rd, I think it's OK to continue the franchise with different director and actors. But not to Reboot. This option has to be used only after a considerable amount of time the last franchise has ended. I think is a mistake this Spider-Man reboot we are getting.
     
  9. Jedigreedo

    Jedigreedo Chill. It's only an opinion.

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    If Nolan wants to continue and can keep up with what he's already established, then awesome. However, if not, then I'd be perfectly fine with them continuing on after the third movie without Nolan, Bale, etc. as long as a standard in quality is kept. I think such a move would be good for getting further into the Batman mythos that doesn't really fit with Nolan's interpretation, since they could move away from his epic drama and move into more stand alone movies.
     
  10. CyclonatorZ

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    I would honestly argue that, after the third movie, a reboot is the only good option - that is, if DC does want to go through with making a Marvel-like superhero movie continuty. If Thor, Captain America, and then Avengers all do well, there's no doubt that Warner will be wanting to copy their succes by making a united series of DC superhero movies.

    The problem is, Nolan's batman never really has been "just another superhero movie series." Instead of simply adapting the comic books with some changes, it seeks to envision what Batman would be like if he was a real person. Thus, instead of lots of unreleastic comic-book stuff like acid vats and magic, we've gotten far more realistic takes Batman's word and characters. Sure, it's still not totally real, but it's far more close to reality than most comic-books are.

    With the possible advent of an interconnected DC movie universe, a reboot would allow them to adapt Batman in a way that would fit with Green Lantern, Superman, and the other less-realistic superheroes. Nolan's Batman simply doesn't fit in alongside all those personalities - and starting from scratch would allow them to create a Batman interpretation that would.

    That's not to say it would necessarily go well. I'm just speaking from a buisness standpoint. Because if Marvel's superhero teamup does succeed massively, then DC and Warner would be fools not to try to do the same thing with their own properties. So, if we see massive box-office totals for Avengers in 2012, expect to see Batman starring in a reboot and eventually teaming up with the Justice League in less than a decade. ;)
     
  11. rggkjg1

    rggkjg1 Batman v Superman

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    i really don't believe this. from 1997 to now we've made fun of joel schumacher, blamed him for ruining batman, and blamed him for the lack of of superhero/comic book films until the resurgance with x-men and spider-man. i dont want it to sound like i didn't get over it, but when a new director takes over and he has such a negative impact, i have to think as to why they would do a joel schumacher like movie/direction again (for batman or any other movie franchise).

    we all know that batman forever and batman & robin were just made to be familiy films and sell action figures. if a new cast/crew are announced, i would have to be skeptical of the true intentions of the people involved. for all we know they might just want a quick buck because its batman, so they figure no matter what, people will go see a batman movie regardless of the actor, director, or quality of the film.

    at this point now i feel like movie studios think we're idiots because of the reboots and recasts. maybe thats another reason why i'm so passionately against these reboots and recasting, i feel as if i'm being insulted.
     
  12. Young Justice

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    Superheroes with Superpowers exiting in real world is not new: Marvels was about it, and Watchmen also.

    Nolan universe can be more down to Earth than most comics are, but it's not difficult to engage in a new direction: What if, in the world of Nolan's Batman, a Superman appeared to the public? What would that change?

    In comics, Superman was the first superhero (arguably) and Batman came later. But, what if, in Nolanverse, it was the other way around? How Batman and the other Gotham citizens would react to the appearance of Superman?

    I think it's a start to creating a more fantastic DC universe, without throwing away Nolan's first Batman movies. It's was like the world was more constricted and realistic before Superman and how his arrival changes things, including Batman and his foes.

    I think Batman Forever has its faults but it was not that bad of a movie. Indeed there's a uncut version of it, that was never released that is quite good. Batman & Robin that jumped the Shark in my opinion.

    The problem is not the recast, or change in creative direction of a franchise per se. But why this is being done. If it's because a new director comes to the franchise with fresh new ideas, it's OK to recast and stuff. If it's only to continue the franchise to milk it more because it's still profitable, then it's bad.
     
  13. KCJ506

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    What went wrong with the old Batman franchise wasn't just simply changing the cast and crew. It was because soccer moms complained about Batman Returns being "too dark and scary" for kids, so WB wanted the movies to be more campy and kid friendly. This was why Burton and Keaton left. It basically suffered the same fate as the old TMNT franchise. Starting off dark and then becoming more kid friendly due to soccer moms.

    Anyway now I don't know whether this is true or not.

    http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/06/09/joseph-gordon-levitt-to-play-the-riddler-in-batman-begins-3/

     
  14. rggkjg1

    rggkjg1 Batman v Superman

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    even though i said earlier that i would consider rumors involving actors who worked with nolan on a non batman film more credible, i'm taking this with a grain of salt because i'm 99% certain we aren't going to see a villian that was used in the previous 4 films. what are some bigger or more known batman villians that arent the joker, two-face, riddler, scarecrow, ect?? this just popped in my mind, how about rupert thorne???!!! you get your main villian and mob villian all into one!
     
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    Don't think it's the best move to use him as the main villain to sell the whole film on. I wouldn't mind if he took over the role of a Falcone type for the next installment, but hoping they do go with one of the Arkham Allumni for the main baddie.
     
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    I would take the Levitt rumors with a jumbo container of Morton's Salt....not that he's not an interesting choice. considering though we've only gotten a small hint of the plot and not even a title yet, I don't think it's going to be just thrown out there like common knowledge that the Riddler is the confirmed Villain-the way the article portrays it. Right now I would lump this in with the Miley Cyrus Batgirl/Eddie Murphy rumors.
     
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    The popular choice for Riddler actually is anything but Depp. Seems like just because he expressed interest in the role people think he should get it. Makes me wonder if his name would have even came up if he hadn't.

    And no offense to these people but Depp is one of the most unimaginative, unoriginal, and uninspired casting suggestions. And I would be very disappointed in Nolan if he stopped his inspired casting after the first two films and went with such a lazy and predictable choice as Depp. I mean whoever imagined Heath Ledger as the Joker? I wanna be able to see the character. Not some redundant overused A-list actor. Same thing with actresses like Angelina Jolie. People are throwing her name around for Catwoman. She'd just come off as playing herself.
     
  19. Miyamoto Musashi

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    Christopher Nolan decided that this third installment in the trilogy will end the story of Batman in live action, cause movies aren't like comic books, a story can't last for so long in this media like it does in that

    Information's are that he will use human villains, real humans, humans of the kind you can see in the real world, most likely why they revised the origin of the Joker for The Dark Knight

    Nolan also said that the villains in the new movie will come as a surprise, they shall not be revealed until later when the trailers are released
     
  20. Bat-Fan Beyond

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    I definitely want either Talia Al Ghul or Catwoman to show up in the film. With the loss of Rachel Dawes, Bruce Wayne/Batman should have some sort of weak romantic rebound with a female character, and who better than one of those femme fatales? I think Kate Beckinsale would be great for either role.

    I also would like to see The Riddler as the main villain, but I think it should be a mystery as to who he actually is, with at least three suspects played by actors that have the audience guessing while Batman has to use his detective skills to figure it out, having the riddles as clues.
     
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