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The bogus "science" of Captain Planet.

Discussion in 'Saturday Morning Forever!' started by grundle, May 9, 2001.

  1. grundle

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    It scares the heck out of me to think that millions of people may be falling for the propoganda on the show Captain Planet. That show is just an excuse for Ted Turner to try to teach the bogus ideas of the socialist, left wing environmental wackos such as Paul Ehrlich, Rachel Carson, and The Club of Rome.

    According to what's told on the show, the environment keeps getting worse, the air and water keep getting more polluted, pesticides are killing us, the world is overpopulated, the trees are all being cut down, there's no simple solution to save endangered species, there's not enough fresh water in the world, and we are running out of oil and other natural resources.

    All of those things are wrong.

    Anyone who actually looks at the empirical evidence will realize that all of those things are lies.

    In particular, for those who want to learn the real truth, I would recommend the two following books:

    "The Ultimate Resoure 2" by Julian Simon

    "Earth Report 2000" by Ronald Bailey

    The truth is that in countries that have modern, industrialized, high tech capitalist economies, the environment keeps getting cleaner and cleaner. Technological advancements are giving us more and more access to cleaner air, cleaner water, cleaner soil, etc.

    Between 1945 and 1970, DDT saved 500,000,000 people from dying of malaria.

    Today, the world has more people than ever before. And today, the average person in the world has more calories of food, more square footage of housing, more clothing, better access to medical care, better access to education, more material possessions, and a longer life expectancy, than ever before.

    The hunger and poverty that exists in third world countries isn't caused by "overpopulation" or a lack of natural resources. For example, most countries in Africa have relatively low populaiton densities. And if you look in any geology textbook, you will see that Africia is very rich in many valuable natural resources. So why is Africa so poor? It's poor because most of the countries in Africa are ruled by totalitarian governments that don't respect individual liberty, private property rights, or capitalism.

    Hong Kong and Singapore both have very high population densities. But they aren't poor. Their free market capitalist economies have made them rich.

    Adjusted for inflation, the prices of oil, copper, gold, aluminum, magnesium, iron, etc,. are all lower now than ever before. This means that these things have become more abundant. Today, the known reserves of oil are bigger than ever before.

    The only reason that we have shortages of water is because of price controls. Government keeps the price of water too low. If we allowed the price to rise, then two things would happen. #1 People would stop wasting water. #2 The people who provide water would have more incentive to spend money on technologies to help provide more water, such as desalinization.

    Overfisihing is a serious problem. However, overfishing only happens in public bodies of water. On private fish farms, overfishing never happens.

    During colonial days in America, the buffalo, which was publicly owned, was nearly hunted to extinction. Today, Americans eat millions of cows every year, but since the cows are privately owned and privately farmed, they are not endangered.

    We always hear about how the elephant is endangered. But what most people don't know is that in the areas of the world where private ownership and private farming of elephants is legal, the elephant population has been getting bigger and bigger. It we want to save the elephant form extinction, the best thing that we could do would be to legalize the ivory trade, and make it legal for private companies to own, raise, and farm elephants.

    Overlogging only happens on government owned timberlands. On privately owned timberlands, the owner of the land is concerned about the resale value of the land, so he always replants new trees.

    The world will never run out of oil. The only reason that we use oil now is because it's currenlty the cheapest source of fuel. If oil ever becomes scarce, then its price will rise, and people will switch to a cheaper substitute. Long before the oil ever runs out, people will have stopped using is becuase it will no longer be economical to use it.

    According to the E.P.A., the air and water are cleaner now than they were 30 years ago.

    I really hope that people don't fall for Ted Turner's propoganda on Captain Planet. The empirical evidence in those two books that I mentioned proves that the information given on Captain Planet is wrong.
     
  2. don Jaime

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    Dude, you are aware that this show is about ten years out of date anyway, right? Science changes fast, but reruns are cheap and live on forever.

    I'm not terribly qualified to debate you. I've missed the last few Illuminati wienie roasts, you see. I'm trying hard to confuse Paul Erlich with John Erlichman and I thought the Club of Rome was either a nightclub or a way to protect your car while you're in one. But, I'm an airhead and a loudmouth, so I'll make a few remarks anyway.

    Okay. That's chunks of three continents. The rest of the world is still dependent on older human, animal, and coal-powered tech, hobbled by paternalistic economics, or both. These countries can and usually do create environmental chaos.

    Most African countries have huge areas that are nigh uninhabitable, like desert or jungle. Outside of these, Africa is densely packed.

    It should also be noted that African countries may respect capitalism too much. Those valuable resources are typically collected, processed, and exported by foreign concerns. The only capital turned over within the nation is the labor wages, which are low. Thus, most of the capital lost abroad; furthermore, too little capital is available to the nation to invest in these resources, so capital must be sought abroad, which siphons off whatever is raised within the nation, leading into a vicious cycle. Most African countries need to build their own capitalist economies rather than those of Europe, Asia, and North America.

    No. But they do have large numbers of poor people.

    The Bush administration estimates that gasoline will average $3.00/gallon this summer. They agree that oil is not scarce. It's just that the high-tech capitalist economy didn't expand the number of oil refineries fast enough. A few fires this year have put several refinieries out of commission, taxed the system and may weaken the economy.

    No. Water shortages are caused by water shortages, as in, less water is available. In the summer, increased water use combined with high temperatures leads to lower water levels. Result: water shortage.

    Government is who provides water in the United States. Want higher prices and better tech? Lobby your senator.

    BTW, why would we need technologies to provide more water if shortages are caused by price controls only?

    Fish, buffalo, elephants, timber, etc., don't feel like quoting any of this, it's inane. Farming every resource ain't economically feasible; elephants are expensive, unless you kill wild ones that eat off public land. Buffalo were targeted for extinction as a way of clearing Indians off the Plains, and a very effective tactic it was.

    Comin' up! Three dollars a gallon. And there's no cheap substitute in production. Don't worry, we'll find one. It'll be relatively cheap, because its price will likely hold steady as oil passes it. And after the economy is shot to heck trying to convert, we won't need to buy as much of either anyway.

    In the USA, not those low-tech paternal economies. China's a great example. So's Mexico. No concern of ours, as long as the wind doesn't blow this way. America's clean air and water are the result of governmental control going back thirty years. Business had little to do with it.

    Two books disprove the environmental views of a mediocre, out-of-date kiddie cartoon. Well, I'm convinced.
     
  3. optimal321

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    Not trying to start anything w/ you, but i think you have a few discrepencies in your post. I agree w/ all of your agument. Fine. But i don't think that's what Captain Planet was trying to prove. Sure the show was crap, with all those lessons "don't litter" and "the power is yours", but they have a point. Polution is a problem in the world, which what (aside from $$) the show was trying to get across. Again, i'm not trying to start a flame war, because i agree w/ what you said. It just doesn't relate back to Captain Planet, imo.
     
  4. The Mad Hatter

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    Geez, what brought this on? Grundle, you _do_ realize that nobody watches Captain Planet anymore, right? Actually, nobody really watched it when it was in production, either. I tend to fall on the left-wing side of most environmental matters, but I also think that Captain Planet was heavy-handed, overbearing, preachy crap mixed in with horrible storylines that made me want to dump a barrel of oil into the nearest river out of spite.

    I won't argue with your views, don Jamie already did a good job of that. I'm also PRAYING we won't get into another circular, fact-free political flame war that goes absolutely nowhere. I'm still getting over the last one on WBC. But it certainly sounds like you have a bunch of grievances against environmentalists. That's fine, you're free to post your point of view. But framing your argument with a defunct, unwatched, misguided, crap-tacular show that most environmentalists think is garbage anyway tends to weaken your argument. Not that your argument had anything to do with the show now that I look over it again, but hey...
     
  5. Scythemantis

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    grundle...

    Im sorry,but I just have to laugh...captain planet came out ten years ago.AT THE TIME that it came out,ALL of the problems it talked about were VERY real...the earth was rapidly growing more polluted,more populated,forest was being destroyed,food was running low ect.ect.

    It was only a few years ago that these problems started looking a little better.However,animal species are still going extinct on an hourly basis,many imported species are out of control and the balance is still way off.

    Also,im a bit offended by your defending pesticides.For one thing,it is not the humans that we are supposed to care about.Pesticides kill animals,but more importantly,they kill beneficial insects.99% of all insects are harmless to humans,and ALL of them,pests or no,are essential to the ecosystem.

    Also,there has been little decrease in the clearing of tropical forests for cattle.And even if there is,they may never grow back properly.
     
  6. killercroc

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    Aaah, so you read a couple of books and you're now an expert on what's going on in the environment. I have to admit that I'm not familar with the two books you mentioned, but I am very familar with that line of reasoning. I would wager that if you followed the money behind those books you would end with an oilman or someone else with a monetary stake in it.


    First off, I think the majority of people involved don't think that Rachel Carson is an environmental wacko. I bet "Silent Spring" has been read and accepted by many more people than the two books you mentioned. And name calling is so unbecoming, don't you think?
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    According to what's told on the show, the environment keeps getting worse, the air and water keep getting more polluted, pesticides are killing us, the world is overpopulated, the trees are all being cut down, there's no simple solution to save endangered species, there's not enough fresh water in the world, and we are running out of oil and other natural resources.
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    You say all of these are lies. Did you get the info solely from these two books? There are more asthma related deaths now than ever since such info has been recorded, though our understanding and treatment of it has vastly improved. I'd say the air is getting worse.

    Water, yeah, municipal waste has gotten better(city sewage), but what has gotten worse is runoff from Combined Animal Feeding Operations(CAFO's) which have nowhere near the controls that are imposed on city waste. Besides increasing fish kills, these CAFO's have even brought a new bug to worry about called pfisteria. It has been accepted to have come from these CAFO's from about 90 percent of the scientists who have studied it. This one affects human as well as fish, robbing them of their higher brain functions.

    As far as the world being overpopulated, I guess that depends on how much food we produce, and we are currently producing enough, it just has a hard time getting to the people that need it. I agree about that. But consider this...the methods that are being used to deliver this multitude of food aren't very good for the earth. Genetically modified plants, increasing dependance on pesticides, and fertilizer runoff which is clogging our waterways with algae blooms, which, in turn, kills fish.

    No simple solution to save endangered species! Huh, so you're saying there is. Please elaborate.

    Yeah, we could supply plenty of freshwater for drinking, bathing and irrigating, and then our lake levels would drop so that the ecosystem was affected. The Platte River in Colorado is dry because of agriculture practices. I don't know what the solution is, but there are lakes and streams drying up because of human actions.

    Even most oilmen agree that our oil isn't going to last forever and that we need to figure out alternate sources of energy. Some say about fifty years. And even if it's another 150, we are still running out. It's a matter of semantics.

    Don Jamie was right about the unclean coal used in other countries. But there is also alot of coal burning plants in the US and they are still being built despite the fact that Natural Gas can be used. Also, alot of the coal being burnt today is more harmful than what has been used in the past.

    And what empiracal evidence are you looking at? Is it something you've observed yourself or that you got from the book.

    I agree about DDT saving people from malaria, but we are working on other ways to deal with insect populations now. DDT pushed the Bald Eagle to the brink of extinction and made it where an entire generation of mothers couldn't breastfeed. Talk about empirical evidence. I never saw any Eagles in the 70's, but now that DDT is mostly gone from our environment, I see several a year.

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    Overfisihing is a serious problem. However, overfishing only happens in public bodies of water. On private fish farms, overfishing never happens.
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    Huh? I don't exactly get your point with this one. Private fish farms are for one thing manmade and can't be compared to the Oceans that were put here by God. For another thing, yeah, they're not overfished, because the guys are protecting their investment, they harvest just as many fish as the pond or whatever can handle. I don't have a problem with fish farms, you just can't compare them to the Ocean.

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    During colonial days in America, the buffalo, which was publicly owned, was nearly hunted to extinction. Today, Americans eat millions of cows every year, but since the cows are privately owned and privately farmed, they are not endangered.
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    OK, there are still some publicly owned Bison(I'm assuming you mean Bison when you say Buffalo, which is an African species) in Yellowstone and other Wildlife Refuges and parks in the country. So they're not all privately owned. And they came back from the brink of extinction because of "environmental Wackos" such as Teddy Roosevelt, who knew they needed to be preserved. And go back to the fish farm argument, of course, the privately owned ones aren't in danger of going extinct, it wouldn't make sense for the Bison farmers.


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    We always hear about how the elephant is endangered. But what most people don't know is that in the areas of the world where private ownership and private farming of elephants is legal, the elephant population has been getting bigger and bigger. It we want to save the elephant form extinction, the best thing that we could do would be to legalize the ivory trade, and make it legal for private companies to own, raise, and farm elephants.
    Overlogging only happens on government owned timberlands. On privately owned timberlands, the owner of the land is concerned about the resale value of the land, so he always replants new trees.
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    Yeah, that's my whole point about fish farms and Bison.


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    According to the E.P.A., the air and water are cleaner now than they were 30 years ago.
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    Yeah, because of "environmental wackos" like Rachel Carson. Also, a lot of your other arguments contradict what the EPA says, but in this case you believe them? I guarantee you there are few if any people working for EPA who think Rachel Carson is a "wacko."


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    I really hope that people don't fall for Ted Turner's propoganda on Captain Planet. The empirical evidence in those two books that I mentioned proves that the information given on Captain Planet is wrong.
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    Like Don Jaime said, most environmentalists think Captain Planet was to far out there. Also, do you know what empirical evidence is? It is information that you can gather for yourself, with your five senses. Like seeing that the lake by your house has gotten cleaner over the last 20 years. It is not information gathered from a book written by a supposed authority. You attack Carson for expecting us to believe stuff out of her book, then base your attacks on stuff you have read out other books.

    Listen, this post really ticked me off, and I responded as such. I aggravated with your statements, not with you. I hope to be able to agree with you on other subjects in the future, and sincerely don't want to start a flame war.
     
  7. DR. BELCH

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    On Captain Planet

    The show is dead, and good riddance. It was basically Ted Turner's tool of pandering to the junk scientists, the Gaia-worshippers, and the crybabies who say the earth will be dead in ten years (which they were saying twelve or fifteen years ago). I don't know if Turner believes that bull-puckey anymore, or if he ever believed it to begin with. I think we'd do well to carefully consider and not blindly accept the information we're being fed and then use it to bludgeon each other with.
    I believe that there are plenty of trees in America--maybe more that they were when the Constitution was ratified--but they aren't well-distributed and often have to fight for limited space/resources...and that's not always man's fault; even in virgin forests they have that problem--that's just nature's quirk. Same with water and oil--there's enough, somebody up there just doesn't know frig about how to distribute the stuff.
    I don't believe an animal has/can comprehend rights; we give them the privilage of humane treatment, but they brutalize each other, and not always for food (a housecat, even if well-fed, thinks nothing of savaging a mouse or frog or bug; that's innate.) This isn't environmental, but even CP didn't always stick with the "tree-hugger" issues. I don't understand the big dispute over the Second Amendment. It says we have the right to bear arms, and suddenly everyone is fighting tooth-and-nail over gun control. It's says arms--i.e., anything I can use to defend myself. I don't own a gun, but even without one I can still use a knife, a baseball bat, a hockey stick, a length of dog chain, a broken beer bottle, a two-by-four with a nail in it, an iron pipe, and a hammer.
    I believe that the ozone hole isn't purely man's fault. I've heard that the methane in termite flatulence does more damage to that thing than an army of spray cans. To be on the safe side I never use hair spray and I'm a roll-on deodorant man from way back.
    The problem isn't the depletion of the world...it's the depletion of the reasoning powers and mental abilities of the masses that feed these hysterias and the people who exploit them.
     
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  8. The Mad Hatter

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    Interesting talk from someone who sells "eco-friendly" products though his signature... we're gonna have to take away your dittohead license, Belch. :p
     
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    The Power Is Yours!

    I just thought it was made becuase that E/I Education Progamming came into effect, so they had to throw some garbage in. The show sucked then, and it still does now. I don't see the big deal about it. It was preachy, over-bearing, and I could barely contain my vomit whenever it was on.
     
  10. Bud 'n Lou

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    I remember, in one episode, in the moral at the end they said, something to the effect of, "So remember, when it's your turn to have a family, keep it small."
    Lol. I'm not joking! I thought it was both hilarious, and odd to put that in a children's show.
     
  11. Psycho Fox

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    Ok the show had its heart in the right place but did it totaly totaly wrong. what it touched was issues and still all though some of them are not as serious as they were. Now I'm not saing we should go back in live off the land while it wouldn't hurt it is not necessary what is needed is a more balance between enviroment and well everything else. I think there is a happy compermize between polluting the crap out of the planet and protecting a leaf of grass from the horrors of being mowed

    Look alot of people proven that North America is very ineffecent when it comes to how resources are spent. Think about it even if we use steam train for most long distance travel it would help the enviroment and Diesel Electric (which is now the norm) is far better then that and eletric track is even better (depending on what is making that power). Steet cars, Subways and Busses are all better then everyone using a car you also notice that the diesel electric trucks have disappeared and never really made it when they gave both power and fuel efficency. Think how much your car pollutes becouse of a stop light and why don't they time them, yes some are timed but those are rare. Also think of our society think about how much we throw away... yes we recycle but you notice people would rather junk a TV set or a radio then repair it. You know how much stuff I pick up off the street that only require a quick fix and I can sell off where its usefullness lives on for a while longer.

    I believe that there are plenty of trees in America.

    Go to just outside Nanamo on Vancouver Island and you'll see huge hills bald of trees and slowly (within a few years) the rain turns those bald hills into piles of mud. The lumber industry doesn't only take the trees away the distroy the enviroment yes the lumber company planed tress on the hill but the the old trees where holding the dirt so it turns to mud so the new trees die so it didn't make any differnce if they planted trees there or not. When they do get that part right and plant new trees they are in strait lines so wildlife aviod it since duh they can't hide. Plus I have a big proporty in NY state that has old groth on it and right now I'm not going to let any of the lumber companies take that lumber only I am going to harvest it cause I've seen lumber compaines work and some of them have twits for engineers.

    Same with water and oil--there's enough, somebody up there just doesn't know frig about how to distribute the stuff.

    Yhea but there is only so much oil it is like a easter egg hunt you can only find as many as someone hidden thus sooner or later we will stop finding oil. There was a brilliant short about this there was this town that use these dragons [dragons that could not breed] for all their engrgy needs as years went on it took more dragons to find the oil then they found until they found the last dragon.
     
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  12. grundle

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    well.....

    Thanks to everyone who responded. I can't respond to everything that everyone sais, but I will touch on a few points.

    No, it's not just those two books. Those views that I expressed are also held by the Heritage Foundation, the Reason Foundation, the Cato Institute, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Stephen Moore, and many economists.

    Regarding increases in asthma. Some people have proposed the idea that our ever increasing antisceptic society with all the anti-bacterials sprays has made it so that many children never get exposed to as many germs as kids of the past used to be exposed to, so their immune systems don't get as much chance to develop. This is just a theory, but if it turns out to be true then the drug companies will try to come up with treatments.

    Keep in mind that 100 years ago, before cars were commom, the horse was the main method of transportation, and there was hose manure everywhere. And this was a major source of pollution, and germ spreading. Today's automobiles are far cleaner than all the horse manure of 100 years ago.

    100 years ago, the major causes of death were various germs in the environment. Huge numbers of people died every year from all sorts of infections. Today these infections are relatively rare, and life expectancy is 30 years higher.

    I see no need whatsoever to recycle garbage. It's been estimated that if we took all the garbage that the U.S. is expected to produce over the next 100 years, and put it into a landfill that was typical landfill depth of 150 feet deep, it would only be 9 miles on each side. As a percentage of the total land in the U.S. this is insignificant.

    Also, if things like paper, aluminum, glass, plastic, etc., were scarce, then their prices would be high, and people would recycle voluntarily. Private companies would offer people money for their trash. They wouldn't need laws that mandated recycling. For example, no one ever throws gold in the garbage, because it's so valuable.

    The ideas that were mentioned on Captain Planet are pretty much the same ideas that many environmentalists express today, and have been expressing for the past 35 years. To them, there's always some kind of crises heading our way, and their suggestion for solving this crises always involves making the government bigger, and trying to attack capitalism.

    To the person who mentioned the 2nd amendment, great. I agree. Right before Hitler killed all those Jews, he took away all their guns. Hitler was considering invading Switzerland, but decided not to because he worried that an armed populace could not be conquered.

    Orange County, CA, is the only major county in CA that lets people carry a concealed weapon. In recent years, crime in that county has been going down, while crime in the surrounding counties has been going up. The criminals are leaving Orange County because they don't want to get shot. They are moving to other counties, where their victims are unable to defend themselves.

    The safest place you could be is a gun show. There has never been a mass shooting at a gun show.

    And what better way can a 100 pound woman alone at night in a parking garage defend herself from a 300 pound man who tries to rape her? It's not necessary for her to pull the trigger. Just showing the gun is usually enough.

    Well, going back to the environment. Environmentalists hate the 5th amendment. That says that private property can't be taken for public use without just compensation. Every time the government tells some guy that he can't build his dream home on his own land, the 5th amendment is being violated. Someday the Supreme Court will rule in favor of private property rights, like they used to back in the 19th century.

    CA hasn't built any new power plants in over a decade. Every time they tried to build one, the environmentalists got the government to block it. So now they don't have enough electricity. The environmentalists are against building power plants, burning fossile fuels, and using nuclear power. If they had their way, there would be no mechanzied farm equipment, no light bulbs, no washing machines, no refigerators, no air conditioners, and no cars. We would all be sitting naked in the wilderness, cold, with no food to eat. Their ultimate goal is the extinction of the human race.

    Ted Turner said that he wants the whole world to adopt China's mandatory abortion policy. In China, any woman who is pregnant with her second child is forced to have an abortion. Of course, Ted Turner himself has 5 children.

    I myself am very pro-choice. I don't want the government to be making these decisions.
     
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    Re: well.....

     
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    That's fine, but I'm still curious as to how you can perceive a cruddy, little-watched show that people of all factions hate as a threat the The American Way (however it is you define it). It almost seems that this argument was started just for argument's sake... sorry, I'm not taking the bait.
     
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    Thanks Hatter!

    For showing me the light. Of course that's what's going on, that's such an emotional issue for some people, myself included, that it really manages to push those buttons. I was forming a rebuttal of his sweeping statement in my head when I read your post. But you showed me the light. :)
     
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    Yeah, what Hatter says. I only posted previously in the forlorn hope this guy really wanted to discuss issues instead of making pedantic declarations, but he ignored me, Croc, and Will and only noticed where Belchie agreed with him. Of course, that whole deal with the elephant farms didn't offer much hope. I mean, elephant farms. That's the living, breathing, hard-drinking proof this guy knows nothing about economics or biology. It's the funniest thing I've seen all week. When I die, I hope to go with a smile and the words "Elephant farms" on my lips.

    Croc, are you my split personality? I had no idea there were two of us in OKC.
     
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    I am the Melaleuca King!

    Naaah. I'm a capitalist through and through. I sell the products because they work, my friend--I've been using their soap, shampoo, and toothpaste for weeks, and I am happy with the results. I'm so clean I squeak. (Hey, even Rush reads spots for vitamin suppliments and carpet cleaners on his show. I'm doing my part as an American and taking my slice of pie.) I take it you've heard of the product/visited their website, Hatter? BTW, I've been asked to nix the ad in my sig, and I don't mind...it wasn't raking the su--er--the customers in by droves as I'd hoped. ;)
     
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    Only if you're the good half! Seriously, yeah, I'm surprised also. I'm gonna send you a private message and add you to my buddy list, so everyone else doesn't have to read our OKC chatting.

    BTW you get private messages by going to the control panel, in case you didn't know.
     
  19. Nightwing

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    By reason of how stupid, horribly done, and crappy the show was, I don't think it was possible to take what Captain Planet said seriously. But in any case, the real problem is some people don't care about it as much as they should. That's what I worry about in all this.
     

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