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"Superman: The Movie" Talkback (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'DC Live-Action Movies and Television' started by Stu, Jul 10, 2003.

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Rate 'Superman: The Movie'

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  1. Stu

    Stu Marvel Animation Age Webmaster
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    You'll Believe A Man Can Fly!

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    "Live as one of them, Kal-El, to discover where your strength and power are needed. And always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason, above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son." - Jor-El

    Release Date: December 15, 1978
    Studio: Warner Brothers
    Director: Richard Donner
    Starring: Christopher Reeve, Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman, Ned Beatty, Jackie Cooper, Glenn Ford, Trevor Howard, Margot Kidder, Terence Stamp, Phyllis Thaxter

    Plot Summary: Unable to convince the ruling council of Krypton that their world will destroy itself soon, scientist Jor-El takes drastic measures to preserve the Kryptonian race: He sends his infant son Kal-El to Earth. There, gaining great powers under Earth's yellow sun, he will become a champion of truth and justice. Raised by the Kents, an elderly farm couple, Clark Kent learns that his abilities must be used for good. The adult Clark travels to Metropolis, where he becomes a mild-mannered reporter for the Daily Planet...and a caped wonder whose amazing feats stun the city: Superman! Meanwhile, Lex Luthor, the world's greatest criminal mind, is plotting the greatest real estate swindle of all time. Can't even the Man of Steel stop this nefarious scheme?

    Comments?

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  2. Arkangel

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    I love this film. A great portrayal of pre-Crisis Superman. Yes, the ending is weak, but I still loved the film.

    But what most struck me most the last time I saw it (a few weeks ago) was how it was geared completely to adults, not kids and teens.
     
  3. Hatter

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    I think it's mostly crap. They made no effort to make this movie timeless. It just SCREAMS 1970s, from the jive-talking hipsters to the terrible suits. And they also made no effort to differentiate Metropolis from NYC... they showed the World Trade Center, for god's sake! "Metropolis" in this film is a dirty, dingy, dark place. It's ugly to look at. I'll admit, there is some good set design in other parts of the movie, but the rest is crap. The Bugle offices, Luthor's stupid underground pool...
    Man, don't get me started on Luthor! One of the worst portrayals of any character I've ever seen. He's just a goofy comedic idiot. And the wig... god!

    While most people tend to idolize Chris Reeve's performance, I don't think he was anything special. He's not terribly muscular, and his flying scenes were laughable - but I guess that's not really his fault.
     
  4. DianaGohan

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    Wow, a strong opinion of greatness and a strong opinion of hatred. I'm in between, I thought it was an O.K movie, nothing great, but nothing horrible. I would probably like it better if I saw it when it premiered, but that can't happen now. I give it a B-.
     
  5. zimfan3000

    zimfan3000 mmm...fishheads

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    The movie had good special effects for the 1970s, and I even have the soundtrack on tape. Though there were some parts I didn't like (particularly the one about the pool (?); it's been awhile), the movie has decent acting. I give it a B+
     
  6. Terminatah

    Terminatah Badass Cyborg

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    Probably the greatest comic book movie ever made.

    -Terminatah
     
  7. Steven C

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    I think you have an extra "T" in your name.
    I also think Superman 1 is the best comic movie period!
     
  8. Stu

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    Easily the best live action Superman translation to date. I hadn't seen this movie in years until I decided to get the DVD, and it still holds up as one of the better comic book movies. It has ages better than all the Batman's IMO, simply because its slightly more realistic. That may sound weird, him being an alien and all but, I think, its what would happen if a stranger became the worlds new hero. Some things remain a mystery, how they manages to make spandex work on screen being the biggest.

    It took some stones for Donner to make the way he did, at an intelligent adult audience, giving a lot of screen time to Jor-El and the Kryptonian council and having a good hour go by before we see Superman himself. While they absoloutly nailed the Smallville part, I think a lot more could have been done with Metropolis,as it was painfully odvious it was NYC. This is the only area the set designers fail IMO, I thought the Fortress of Solitude, the Kent Farm and Luthors 'apartment' where all done to perfection. I also found that the cast where all likeable, and all worked in thier roles. Lois Lane was fine to me, but I am used to seeing Teri Hatcher in the mediocre Lois and Clark, so that might have something to do with it. Christoper Reeves nailed Superman. No one could match a better transaltion of a living comic book character until Hugh Jackman came along and stole the show in X-Men, and Affleck did the same in Daredevil. It even set up the sequel, with Superman fighting Zod and the other 2 Kryptonian villians. And the score is simply the best ever done. Williams was robbed of his Oscar IMO.

    A brilliant film. Whoever makes the new Superman film has massive shoes to fill.
     
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  9. Chris Wood

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    It's the best superhero film money could buy in the 70s, and still holds up pretty well today. The big weak spot is the dopey villain, but this was corrected in the second film. After that it all went to hell.
     
  10. James Harvey

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    With the arrival of Superman Returns (review, talkback, DVD talkback) and Superman: The Ultimate Collector's Edition (review, DVD talkback) onto DVD today, what better time to discuss the Super films? Let's go!

    You'll Believe A Man Can Fly!

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    "Live as one of them, Kal-El, to discover where your strength and power are needed. And always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason, above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son." - Jor-El

    Release Date: December 15, 1978
    Studio: Warner Brothers
    Director: Richard Donner
    Starring: Christopher Reeve, Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman, Ned Beatty, Jackie Cooper, Glenn Ford, Trevor Howard, Margot Kidder, Terence Stamp, Phyllis Thaxter

    Plot Summary: Unable to convince the ruling council of Krypton that their world will destroy itself soon, scientist Jor-El takes drastic measures to preserve the Kryptonian race: He sends his infant son Kal-El to Earth. There, gaining great powers under Earth's yellow sun, he will become a champion of truth and justice. Raised by the Kents, an elderly farm couple, Clark Kent learns that his abilities must be used for good. The adult Clark travels to Metropolis, where he becomes a mild-mannered reporter for the Daily Planet...and a caped wonder whose amazing feats stun the city: Superman! Meanwhile, Lex Luthor, the world's greatest criminal mind, is plotting the greatest real estate swindle of all time. Can't even the Man of Steel stop this nefarious scheme?

    Comments?

    Related Threads:
    -Superman II/Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut Talkback (Spoilers)
    -Superman III Talkback (Spoilers)
    -Superman IV: The Quest For Peace Talkback (Spoilers)
    -Superman Returns Talkback (Spoilers)
    -Supergirl Talkback (Spoilers)
    -Superman: The Movie Soundtrack Talkback
    -Action Comics "Last Son" Talkback (Spoilers)
    -Superman: The Ultimate Collector's Edition DVD Talkback (Spoilers)
    -Superman Returns DVD Talkback (Spoilers)
     
  11. Bird Boy

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    A year ago (hell two weeks ago, really) I was calling the Reeve's films crap. I still partially stand by that statement, but I can slightly appreciate Donner's film's a bit more now. The wacky Luthor still irks me and the ending....good lord, the ending. But still, the story and interaction between Clark/Lois/Superman is always fun to watch.

    Rather surprised this thread doesn't have more replies by now!

    -BB
     
  12. Wonder Woman

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    I think it has to do with the fact that alot of people may not have seen these movies as they are rather old. I have been having a blast revisiting these old Superman movies. Sure they are not perfect but they really do fit the time when they were made. I think this movie also presents a great version of Superman's origin though I am still not too fond of the whole crystal-based decor of Krypton. I did think the releaseof these movies to DVD would spark some conversation in these movies.
     
  13. PeterFries

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    I've commented on this movie on many other threads, but until recently when I bought myself 2001 on DVD, this was the only movie I ever cared about enough to own.

    Jaded audiences today can laugh at it now that more true to the source material comic book movies have finally been made, but when this movie was created, it was one of a kind, visionary even. Donner and Mankiewicz didn't make their Superman a fat, bloated old joke as was the image of comic book superheroes at the time, which by the way were dying out.

    They strove for "versimilitude", trying to realize a world where Superman could exist that still seemed recognizably like our own (Burton went the other way with his Batman and created a goth cartoon world where humans are trapped with over the top grotesques). Recently, Batman Begins and the X-Men and Spiderman movies as well as the Fantastic Four movie did the same thing.

    Superman was one of the first big summer movie blockbusters in a time before multiplexes on every corner showing films 24/7 on two or three screens apiece, and maybe the first attempt to film a movie and its sequel at the same time. It was also nearly the crescendo of optical visual effects before the advent of computer graphics and digital techniques in movies (this year's Superman Returns wasn't even filmed at all; it was recorded with new digital cameras).

    Had it failed to succeed, I believe that comic book superheroes would have faded away by the beginning of the 80s, since DC and Marvel mostly exist now as loss leaders for maintaining movie and toy licenses.
     
  14. Stu

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    An excellent point, Peter. With the special effects team working on the daunting task of making audiences believe a man could fly, Donner and Mankiewicz really got into the heart of the characters and to be blunt, no one has come anywhere close to topping them since. Lester was too busy ruining the sequel and Singer tried but missed the mark with his ill-thought out story which had the potential to be amazing but instead just becomes redundant.

    One of my favourite scenes in the movie is just after Lois and Superman's "date" as Lois gets ready for dinner with Clark and he takes off his glasses, looks down at them and Superman says "Lois, there's something I want to tell you" before ultimately changing his mind and going back to Clark and bumbling about how nervous he was.

    No superhero movie would even come close to topping this until Spider-Man finally came along in 2002, and you can tell this film certainly inspired it.
     
  15. Wonder Woman

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    I found this interesting take on Superman: The Movie at The Pulse that I thought was worth posting.

     
  16. Stu

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    If only Bryan Singer had read that piece. Given how brilliant Hackman's Lex Luthor was and how utterly wasted Kevin Spacey was in Superman Returns one wonders how the film might have changed if they had put the same level of thought/heart into it.
     
  17. PeterFries

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    I couldn't disagree more, and I'm a gigantic fan of Superman: The Movie (see up-thread), as are Singer and his writing partners.

    Had Singer read the above piece, he'd point out that Superman only escapes defeat at Luthor's hand because Lois and family are there to save him and then this time he can't cheat and undo the awful things Luthor has done to him by just spinning the world back, to regain the love of his life and the collective knowledge and technology of his ancestry -

    I thought there was a lot of humor and charm in Superman Returns, and also a timeless quality that one-upped the now extremely dated Metropolis segment of the first movie, that looks and feels so 1970s.
     
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    Superman Returns certainly has Donner's original beaten in terms of the timeless look and general production qualities. STM does look like a 70s movie, but still, there's just something missing from SR. It just doesn't have the heart and soul of STM. It seems to be much more style over substance, and as silly as certain aspects of STM were, it was fun and entertaining, where SR often drags quite a bit. And as far as Luthor goes, Spacey's lifeless performance can't even be mentioned in the same breath as Hackman's brilliant portrayal of Luthor, and Kitty was a sad substitute for the luscious and charming Miss Teschmacher.

    I really wanted to love SR, but it just isn't half the movie STM was and still is. 4.5 stars for STM's ability to provide timeless wonder in spite of its 70s visuals. ;)
     
  19. rggkjg1

    rggkjg1 Batman v Superman

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    The 3 Hour Extended TV Cut of the film comes to Blu-ray via Warner Archive October 3rd (additional details and specs):
    https://www.supermanhomepage.com/pre-order-superman-the-movie-extended-cut/

    Additional info about this cut of the film:
    https://www.supermanhomepage.com/the-story-behind-superman-the-movie-extended-cut/

    I just came across this, and it was a pleasant surprise. I don't know how much of a demand there was for this cut, I guess this release will be the final end all be all for Superman: The Movie. I'm really interested in seeing the footage, but I don't know if this will be my default go to version of the film. I feel the whole reason for deleting scenes in the first place is so we don't end up having a 3 hour long movie.
     
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