South Park - Season 17 - Talkback (Spoilers)

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  1. Space Cadet

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    Episode 17.1(Episode 237): "Let Go, Let Gov"

    The 17th season airs tonight at 10 PM Eastern. Unlike previous seasons, this one is starting late due to Matt Stone and Trey Parker wanting to take a break. Here is the synopsis:

     
  2. trance2009

    trance2009 Fun to play with not to eat

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    Brand new opening. Cool.
     
  3. Tobias

    Tobias Who you gonna call?

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    The new intro's going to take some getting used to. It's not as wild and out there as the previous ones.

    "I didn't see the movie (1984), but I saw the puppet show at Casa Bonita."

    The episodes off to a good start.
     
  4. trance2009

    trance2009 Fun to play with not to eat

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    I think its supposed to be a reboot of the original first opening.
     
  5. Neo Ultra Mike

    Neo Ultra Mike Creeping Shadow of 7000+ Posts

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    Okay I do appreciate the direction of the opening sort of being a new version of the original with the bus ride around town and showing just how more dynamic and high def they can get all the shots. I also appreciate them actually having someone else voice Alec Baldwin besides either Matt or Trey. Yeah there's still an overabudance of just Matt or Trey doing the vocals but even then there is at least some attempt to sound different. Like the lead of the NSA having a sort of Dragnet type voice at points that we don't hear repeated again and again. Still this episode is pretty much an example of the biggest problem with South Park: the repeating of the same two or three jokes over and over again. In this case the use of the mental twitter (I'm not going to say the name they gave because it will just be bleeped out) with Alec Baldwin's voice, Butters thinking the Government is God and treating the DMV like a church, and Cartman trying to be taken super seriously and make it seem like the government is a threat when they're not really doing anything with most of the information they get and at most just talking to the people they percieve as threats. Really I had heard there were new main writers on staff so you'd think the first thing they'd notice is all the repeittion and try to slim that down and get in new angles and lines but yeah not nearly enough of that. I don't think this was a bad episode though as the few jokes itself were solid and hey there were some good points worth laughing at. Such as Cartman trying to get away from Kyle who believed he was spying on him, a couple of Alec Baldwin's line over his mental twitter mostly when Cartman was trying to cover it up, Butters admitting he didn't like Pink and called her a midget and said he got off to Jennifer Lawerence's picture and later talking about a girl on fire that the Jevoah's Witness was showing him, the lead guy at the DMV wanting to get rid of Butters group for being too happy and later accepting them (the pedophila joke could of been better at the end since we've seen SP rip on that already and really it's kind of an old joke at this point and they aren't adding anything new to it) "Eric Cartman is not fat and useless. We need to change his bio saying he's ripped and sweet" (I don't know why that made me laugh a lot but it did) and everyone apparently not caring what was happening to Santa as even though Eric revealed an actual conspiracy no one thought of it as a crime since it didn't really impact them. Again really this was only okay as having so many of the same jokes really made it hard to laugh at a good chunk of the material. Someone really needs to tell matt and trey that because even if old SP was more immature and had cruder animation at least each episode tried packing with more unique jokes and plots then what we got now.
     
  6. TnAdct1

    TnAdct1 Silence, you dumb wench!!!

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    Personally, this wasn't a good season premiere IMO, as the two plot lines has potential but failed to capitalize on it.

    For the Cartman plot line, it's main problem is that the writers don't really have a good idea of which direction they want to go with it (a parody of people afraid that they're being monitored? a spoof on Dragnet featuring the NSA?). Add the fact that the whole "mentally sending messages online" bit felt wasted and there's no real payoff to the reveal that NSA's main computer is really them using Santa against its will (it's just leads to Cartman being upset that no one wants to listen to the truth) and it feels like there wasn't any real effort being put into this plot.

    Meanwhile, while there is some humor in Butters nighttime prayer to the government (not to mention the return of Officer Barbrady), the whole "Butters thinking the DMV is a religious place" sub-plot isn't really that funny. Besides, did we really need to end the episode with a "priests = child molesters" joke?

    In terms of the upcoming weeks, I'm going to catch the midnight airing of South Park rather than watch the new episode as it premieres, as I feel that Duck Dynasty is the more entertaining of the two shows that compete for my attention during the Wednesday 10PM time slot.
     
  7. DeanBurrito25

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    I like how the whole NSA/DMV plot was one big analogy for Christianity and the church, respectively. Not to mention that the reveal of the NSA's source of power came out of left field of me. I sure hope the rest of the season is as good as this episode.

    Also, can I just say for the record that the new intro looks fantastic? The subtle stop motion feel was a nice touch.
     
  8. Radical

    Radical The Face of Evil & Sadism!!!!!

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    Awesome/hilarious episode starting season 17,

    The highlights:
    The new opening being the new version of the original looking CGI-ish stop motion puppetry-ish looks awesome:D!!!!!
    Eric on the speaker phone with Kyle annoyed, hahahahahahaha, Eric/Kyle's clashing, so enjoyable.
    Eric thinking the Government is a threat, much like Peter Griffin getting rid of the Government, hehehe:p.
    Butters praying to the Government, hehehe. Eric's plan to get a job in NSA to reveal the secrets in twitter, sweet.
    Alec Baldwin and his commercial with the use of a mental twitter.
    Eric using the mental twitter along with trying to get away from Kyle, hahahahahahahahaha:p.
    Butters treating the DMV like a church, hahahahahaha, his subplot was great.
    Eric being Edward Snowden & using Bill Clinton's name on name disguising, hehehe.
    The two Asian women were so funny.
    The NSA leader's Dragnet-type voice reminding me of Willibald Cornfed(Duckman)'s, hahahahahaha.
    Craig/the two Asian women joining Butters' group, hehehe.
    Nice to see Officer Barbrady(he cracks me up) joining Butters.
    Poor Santa getting tortured by the NSA scumbags which Eric revealed an actual conspiracy, Eric Cartman being an anti-hero was great.
    Poor Eric's plan failed, the villains get away scott free for their crime.
    Eric joining with Butters' group.
    Nice to see Darryl Weathers joining Butters, hehehe.
    The heartless DMV jerkholes redeeming themselves.
    The DMV shut down because of the DMV people being disgusting child molesters, hahahahahahaha, nevermind, they're irredeemable, hehehe.
    The news anchor pulling the "priests are child molesters" joke, hahahahahahahaha.

    Eric Cartman was so hilarious as always next to other jerks like Daffy Duck, Ren Hoek, Plucky Duck, Patrick Star/Squidward/Sheldon Plankton, Bender, Dan(Dan Vs.), and Gumball/Darwin that make me laugh too, hahahahahaha.
    Bill Hader as Alec Baldwin was great.
     
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    I like the new CGI-ish opening.
     
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    The new intro animation is beautiful! Anyways, this is a good start for a new season, but it felt a little different from what I usually see in South Park.
     
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    Decent opener for the season imo. It was funny to hear Bill Hader as Alec Baldwin though.
     
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    I loved the Dragnet references. Also Cartman being Edward Snowden was hilarious.

    Favorite part though was Butters singing James Brown.
     
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    At least the show is still cookie cutter flash animation...
     
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    Actually the show is animated in Maya. The same program used to animate Shrek and other CGI films.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the opening was done in the program as we'll.
     
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    Well, I don't want the entire South Park cast to go CGI/computer animated. And what is MAYA?
     
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    It's awesome 3D computer animation software.
     
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    Episode 17.2(Episode 238): "Informative Murder Porn"

    A new episode airs tonight at 10 PM Eastern. Here is the synopsis:

     
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    .....it's been computer animated for years.
     
  19. CartoonFridays

    CartoonFridays Promoted to detective.

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    I like that it's the kids who are the censor-happy this time. I'd would have liked to see
    The nipples thing got really annoying after a while.
    Linda's dead!!! OMG
    LOL Stephen's castle!
    LOL the Minecraft art shift

    Overall, pretty funny episode.
     
  20. Neo Ultra Mike

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    You know I hate to be the "South Park should only make fun of things that are actually still current and popular" since I know that's not all the show is but.... Minecraft? Really, an episode about that in 2013. I know it's still a big thing and people still play it and it's got a huge following but really Minecraft's heyday was more 2010/2011 and if there was a time to hit that, it'd be then. Really MAD got a Minecraft parody years before SP did and that just feels wrong. Especially since you'd think it'd either be the thing that the creative staff would be into, or wouldn't really care about so why have it talked about now? Really guys Grand Theft Auto V is out and really is the game I'd expect them to talk about more over Minecraft. To be fair at least the "informative murder porn" show is more recent. Since seems like a thing nowadays of super popular cable series full of sex and murder appealing to adults over the broadcast series. Don't know how much of the ones actually mentioned directly in this series are you know actually real but I'd be shocked if one of them wasn't. Still I don't exactly get the morale here. I get the "the cable company sucks and they love making you miserable as it gets them off" point, as well as the adults taking Minecraft too seriously like they do their shows, but really what's with the role reversal here? Of the kids being too concerned about what their parents watch? Really that seems just weird for the kids to be into since I don't ever recall them having meetings around time whenever their parents would do something stupid which let's face it happens quite a lot in this series. I know SP loves doing role reversal so it's the parents not being able to watch a show the kids are blocking and acting like kids about it but I can't pinpoint where that comes from. Because this is suppose to be satire and the guys aren't picking a point of satire I can really recognize. For it to be effective I need to see the base of where this started and yeah even if kids saw their parents getting nasty because of some adult shows I don't see it leading to this, even in the lunancy of the SP world.

    Still this episode did have some good laughs. I admit I wish they didn't reuse so many jokes as stuff like the cable company guys and "boo Wendy" were funny once and then lost their humor (maybe if they brought it back again and someone called it out on them it'd be funnier then just having the joke keep repeating. You know adding something to it to make it really feel different) but there were some other good bits: Cartman actually applauding the kid's report on informative murder porn, Randy being annoyed at Stan knocking at his door and trying to hide their sexual misdeeds, Randy talking about how he wished Jaden Smith was his son (there should of been an After Earth joke if they mentioned Jaden Smith. Like "I wish Jaden Smith was my son... you know not in anything M. Night Shamalayan directed but in anything else"), the parents wondering what the point of Minecraft was and not getting iif they started playing it or not (even if it is a bit dated at least the Minecraft jokes worked and actually felt like the creators knew the game well so props to Matt and Trey for that), Butters parents killing themsleves in Minecraft, Cartman realizing the kid was lying when he said something that Cartman normaly would, and Randy and Sharon getting out their frustrations on each other in Minecraft by killing one another in game. Far better ending then last week but eh... only a minorly better episode since it felt like less jokes were repeated and I sort of got the point more overall of the satire and message even if parts of it really didn't work. Still hoping for a real classic as really there wasn't any in the last half of season 16 so the last to me really great SP was "Cartman Finds Love" so yeah we need more of that quality soon.
     

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