Discussion in 'The toonzone - General Animation Discussion' started by Burgundy Ranger, Oct 2, 2007.
The FOXBOX is Now 4KidsTV, please stop calling 4KidsTV by that name, okays...
sorry that was my first post and I kinda forgot about that, if it is a problem I can edit it.
Not trying to make waves here people just voicing my opinion.
Come on! Why do pieces of my childhood keep dying?
*shakes head* I am totally floored by this. Wow. 4kids was the last buyer I expected, too. It feels like we've collectively fallen into Bizarro World or something.
So 4kids was not satisfied enough with staining the memory of Saturday Morning cartoons on Fox Kids but now Kid's WB? But I didn't grow up watching Kid's WB so I don't have much of an attachment to it.
Actually, 4Kids has historically been more lenient than Kids WB when it came to censorship, at least in the past few years. Compare TMNT with the Batman, or Yu-Gi-Oh's edits compared to One Piece's. Even the less-violent TMNT: Fast Forward got away with things I don't think Kids WB would ever allow. While I'm not sure just how lenient the S&P people Weisman dealt with will be compared to the WB's usual standards, there's a good shot 4Kids' standards won't be much worse. Plus, as I understand it, standards and practices are determined by the network, not the block (it was Fox that decided not to air the never-aired TMNT episode, Insane in the Membrane, not 4Kids), so it might be a moot point anyway.
In Chicago, the 4 Kids TV block does not air on WFLD FOX Chicago Saturday mornings, but airs on FOX owned My Network TV affiliate WPWR My 50 Chicago. I bet in Fall 4 Kids TV will be on WGN CW 9 Chicago.
Let's just face it. Satuday morning cartoons are dead, weekday cartoons are dead (not counting PBS), and Cable cartoons are on life support with a bunch of yesmen monkeys all too eager to pull the plug.
There will be no doubt Fox will replace their line up with that stuff they call news, or just throw together a crap educational requirement line up, comprised of cheap pathetic junk no one watches so they can keep their FCC licence.
Seriously, what in blazes is this? There have always been these cable networks, at least in the 90's. If they actually bothered to hire and pay people to try to be competitive, maybe they wouldn't be losing the battle. The one thing I hate is how we're told all our lives to work hard and never give up, and that's exactly what these people aren't doing. Sure, Daddy gave you that block of programming to manage, but you'd rather be drinking instead. So just run it into the ground and take whatever money's left.
If you want competitive ratings, try competitive programming. Don't just rerun Sabrina the Animated series from 1999 over and over.
Way I see it, Kid's WB is like Toys R Us. They crush the competition, causing it to die off, and now that it's actually losing a little money, they bail out.
So Toys R Us is bailing out?
Not fully, but they did close hundreds of stores. All the ones near me are gone.
Well, at least the Toys R Us near me is still around. But let's get back on topic, here!
Yeah, I was using it as an analogy. Plus, the people that wind up running that company seem to not want to be there. Again, another Kids WB/TRU compairison. And the lack of variety.... another one.
But looking at crap like Skunk Fu... I mean, are they even trying with their non-WB programs? I mean, they have been laboring to make The Batman better, and apparently this is its last season (but that's third hand knowledge) They thankfully decided to drop loonatics, which was a bad idea from the start. Don't get me wrong. looney Tunes fighting evil has some potential, if you were willing to have fun with it. They didn't. That's why I think Duck Dodgers was a better attempt.
I'm still a might sore they didn't give Xiaolin Showdown a proper ending. not even a DTV movie. just saying "Oh, Raymundo... you're the leader." "YAAAAAY" Fade to black. thehn randomly adding it a fourth season of reruns. I find it odd they'd do that in this day and age. I recall it worked well in the old days. Some shows only had one season, but it would be rerun for years to come.
I just hope this is a dry spell. Not a trend.
I received this update from a source close to Kids'WB! While a surprising twist, things aren't as bad as they may seem.
I'm really gonna have to keep my eye on this T-Works thing.
His mentioning of the three entities (Superman, Batman, Pinky) currently airing on Jetix and that the once-inconcievable arrangements are now reality causes me to think that there might just be more en route to the Mouse.
To me, Jetix's biggest liability has been a very low percentage of new product on the air at any one time. Right now, it's just Power Rangers and Digimon, with second seasons of Yin Yang Yo and Pucca on the way.
To get things like The Batman and LSH would be big and be a totally logical extension of having the two TAS series already on the schedule.
I just wish they were a bit more consistent with their commitment to shows already on their schedule -- still don't quite get why they pulled the plug on shows like WITCH and Super Robot Monkey Team which were quite good and had production people/studios willing to do more.
But that's about as far as I'll go or else this post becomes one more suited for the Disney board.
I just think the only shows that will remain on the next work are Spiderman, Legion of superheroes, and Maybe The Batman. I think because Superheroes are in as well as Video Games they are gonna try to merge the two for the CW. But I think 4Kids make at least two more Hero Show for next fall maybe Thundercats and firestorm. plans on producing their own shows would do just as well considering their own shows are the ones that are doing well for 4Kids TV. I see Viva, Chaotic, and TMNT, shifting over to the CW. And Dino King is doing well too so that might go there. I'm confused. I don't know how the hell they are going to do this with out killing most of their properties. I mean alot of companies have more tan one network though so it could work..IDK.
The Batman and Legion make more sense for CN, imho. At least people get that channel, while no one gets Toon Disney.
Although anything is possible with those shows, I just pray they air a place people can see them (ie, not Toon Disney).
Aside from TMNT, these are shows that really make us worry about the network's future. A show based on an unpopular game (though I heard good things about it) a cheesy attempt at an online game, and a cheesy attempt to get a toy line which will never be made.
There goes the good old days of Hanna-Barbera, Filmation, DFE, Rankin-Bass, Disney, Warner Bros., Ruby-Spears, DIC, Marvel, Film-Roman, Saban, and Sid and Marty Krofft of Saturday morning past...
Many of the studios you mentioned were defunct years before this news was dropped. It's irrelevant to this discussion. You're not seriously trying to blame 4KidsTV for the demises of Filmation and Kroft studios, are you?
I think he's mourning over Saturday morning cartoons in general. I can't blame him. But honestly, the writing was on the wall when CBS started their pathetic Nick Jr. line up back years ago. Since then, it's been a downward spiral.
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