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"Man of Steel" Pre-Release Discussion, Part 4 (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'DC Live-Action Movies and Television' started by James Harvey, Aug 4, 2010.

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  1. Poweranimals

    Poweranimals Invincible

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    Maybe it's like an alien material that generates over his body. (Venom style)
     
  2. Knight

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    I like what Ive seen of the costume so far. Gone are the red undies but the core is there. I find it to be exceptable

    As far as the origin of the outfit debate Ive always liked Martha putting it together from Earth material and John Brynes explanation of the aura generated as an extension of his invulnerability as the reason for why it doesnt get damaged as much. I can accept the costume being made by kryptonian means but never liked Marha made it using indestructable blankets for several reasons.

    First why would kryptonian fabric be indestructable by nature? The second being what happens when he runs out of material due to battle damage?

    The only reason Superman is invulnerable is because he processes soloar energy. There is no reason why cloth would have the same capability and Jor -El having the thought to make and pack some indestructable blankets into the ship seems unlikely to me. Just my take.

    From what ive seen of the movie a lot seems to happen in Smallville with Kal having an encounter with Faora and whoever the guy is in the motion capture suit. Im really loking forward to this new Supes.
     
  3. Shawn Hopkins

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    It used to be that any Kryptonian material, when exposed to a yellow sun, became indestructible. Also, again, the material stretches and he can sew and repair it in the very unlikely event it becomes damaged.

    You may scoff at that, but the "solar battery" theory makes no more sense.Consider the surface area of Superman's skin. Even if he absorbed the energy that reached him with 100 percent efficiency, it wouldn't be enough energy to do more than slightly augment his human abilities. Definitely not enough to let him fly through the air and punch mountains to dust. Heck, we have "living solar batteries" on earth already, they're called plants and while they can use the solar energy to do remarkable things, they aren't exactly Superman level feats.
     
  4. Aquadementia

    Aquadementia That's a lot of Mulaney!
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    The less a power looks like something that can be derived from a supped-up human ability, the weirder it is for Superman to have.
    Although his real competition is with machines because after you hit him with your fist and it does no good, you grab a stick and then things start escalating.
    So, super weaving would make sense since anyone would have the power too weave, and he has super speed to do it with.
    You blow on soup to cool it off, he blows on a volcano to cool it off.

    To me x-ray vision seems more like a super type of normal vision, even if there are no x-rays present. I don't shoot beams of anything, although I do emit infrared radiation, because my temperature is above absolute zero. So I don't know which makes more sense, Heat Viision or X-Ray Vision, but they seem kind of cool so I'm good with them.

    You have to give him flight too since it's so common among Earth heroes and villains. I think "Smallville" showed how stupid it is to have a flightless Superman if you have other people flying around.

    The hypnosis thing doesn't fit as one of his innate powers. It would have been better if he had a Kryptonian something-or-other to do that.

    The aura thing redefines how to think of his powers.

    If you see him keeping an airplane in flight the impressive thing is how he's as strong as jet engine. No one is impressed by how he is able to manipulate an aura field to keep the plane up.
    He's not Magneto or the Green Lantern.

    If he had an aura field he would be using his powers in a completely differnt way.

    If someone shot at you he wouldn't have to run super fast to catch the bullet, all he'd have to do extend his field through the earth to surround you to make you bullet proof.
    That's not the Superman we know.

    I admit Tactile Telekinesis does a good job explaining why things don't break apart when he grabs them. but where it solves one inconsistency it raises others.

    You could just as easily say Jor-El passed on to him techniques of lifting with the knees that Earth won't develop for centuries. Sounds silly, but then again telekinesis usually means moving something without touching it, and doing that tactilly sounds like a double negative. Tactilly is how I always move things.

    It's just too much.
    And it's unneeded to redefine all his powers just so we can explain why he has an unripped uniform at the end of a battle.
    Everyone has to stay clothed. We shouldn't have to call upon this weird modesty force field to explain why superheroes aren't naked all the time.


    Of course, none of these things are as strange as how he repaired The Great Wall of China with Brick Vision in Superman IV. :sweat:
    (Although I just wrote that off as a cheap special effect because they lost their budget.)
    Put it this way, if he has a fortress of solitude, why couldn't he have access to Krypton materials or the technology to make them?

    And if he is always helping people, why couldn't some grateful person with access to advanced Earth materials provide him with the materials for his suit?

    And another thing, he is able to crush a lump of coal into a flawless diamond with his bare hands. (I've seen him do it!) Why couldn't he do something similar with clothes made of an organic fiber to make them as hard as diamonds?


    If this is starting to get off topic we could move it to another thread, although I made most of my argument already.
     
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    I think you guys are taking this aura thing too seriously. It's not actually science but there's a theory that all living things have an aura. It's a field of energy around our body.

    In Superman's case, specifically in John Byrne's vision: This aura of Superman is what protect his body and give him invulnerability and also protect his clothes. It makes sense with the whole concept of his reboot: Superman being more Eartlhing and less Kryptonian as he was from the Silver age of Comics until Crisis.

    His power, and other powers are explained by the solar battery thing. But it's not like he absorbs solar energy like our plants do. He does it in more amplified way because he is Kryptonian in a Yellow Sun world.

    I'm not expecting that they will use all that in the movie. I just hope they use some of these concepts. I never liked Superman too much until I read John Byrne's Superman. Making him more Earthling and less Kryptonian was key to make the character more relatable for us. Add that to a less goofy Clark Kent in both early days in Smallville and later days in Metropolis. I think this concept is perfect to make this movie as different as possible from the previous franchise.
     
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    Again, he got a new and unnecessary power just to explain why his clothes don't get ripped. Why not give him a new power to explain why no one recognizes him as Clark Kent? Okay, they did that and people hated it. How about a power to explain why his hair doesn't get mussed by the wind? How bout a power to explain why he doesn't get bugs in his teeth when flying and talking? Or a power to explain why his X-Ray vision doesn't cause cancer? You see where this kind of thing goes?


    You can say solar battery and amplified all day long, won't give him any more surface area to collect sunlight, won't cause that sunlight that hits him to have any more than a tiny amount of energy in it.

    I don't think he has to be a boring earth guy be relatable, the way John Byrne evidently did. In fact letting him preserve some of his otherness just helps amplify how universal the emotions, feelings and drives that we all feel are.
     
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    OK, if you think John Byrne's Superman is a boring earth guy it's clear that we like completely different versions of Superman and we have to agree to disagree.

    Let's come back discussing the movie...
     
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    Okay, I have no idea whether this change will be for the better or for worse, but I'm really curious as to why they're doing this. I mean, don't most recasts happen after they've filmed some footage and discovered one of the actors isn't meshing well? Why would they recast the role when they haven't even shot anything yet?
     
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    Behind the scenes issues or simply unavailability.
     
  12. Shawn Hopkins

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    I'm not familiar enough with either of those actresses to picture them, so it won't make any difference to me.
     
  13. rggkjg1

    rggkjg1 Batman v Superman

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    PLEASE GOD BE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:
    http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/johnarturo/news/?a=47102

    i first saw this on my facebook newsfeed from the man of steel profile. i got very excited and then clicked the link. after reading the article, my excitement dropped. i think someone at imdb is just being a wise guy and put john williams on the man of steel page. i want a more legit source than imdb.
     
  14. KYO'NYUU IMOUTO

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    It'd be interesting to see him return, but I'd like to see him do a new main theme, not to mention break away from the old films' music to get some energy into the battle music.
     
  15. Shawn Hopkins

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    If they really want this to be a fresh start, they honestly really, really, really need someone else to do the score. I like John Williams, but going back to him is going backward, not forward.
     
  16. rggkjg1

    rggkjg1 Batman v Superman

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    absolutely not! no new theme. everything else can be new music, but the original theme needs to be retained.

    at the very least i'll take this:
    there is a new "theme" since the movie is supposedly "early days" superman, but as the movie moves on, the music "hints/builds up" to the theme we all know. right before the end credits, we hear the opening bars of the original theme and we see superman flying in the sky (hopefully in the classic costume with the tights). cuts to outer space with superman flying over the earth and superman smiles at the camera and flies off screen (bring this back too). end credits and enjoy hearing the theme again.

    maybe we can skip an opening credits sequence and just save it all for the end. the credits (opening or closing) dont have to be the same as the donner credits. i liked the original idea of superman returns using newspapers in their opening credis.

    but he's the greatest and most recognizable film score composer, its not like they're going to find someone better to do the score. bring williams back.

    star trek and casino royale were reboots, and they brought back their original 40+ year old themes. superman's original theme can be brought back even though it's a reboot. end of story.
     
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    I think of it like this; Williams composed the entire Star Wars saga with each film having a specific theme and adding to the storytelling of it throughout. So just like a filmmaker, he can make a competent sequel to his own theme and I completely trust him with it too.
     
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    That's pretty much my line of thinking as well. It reminds me of Bruce Timm when he was first doing Superman TAS and originally the designs were very retro like Fleisher Superman retro. But he decided against it because he felt that the show needed to stand on its own and so they went with it's own visual style instead of piggybacking on the familiar.

    This reboot so far is trying it's own thing..I haven't liked 95% of it but at least it's doing it's own spin and if they use the Williams theme it's just such a crutch and almost an admission to me that they don't believe in themselves.
     
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    I agree. If this is a reboot, then it should have a new theme. I would love something as powerful and majestic as Williams' score, but it shouldn't be the same.
     
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    rggkjg1 Batman v Superman

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