"Lupin the Third: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine" Talkback (mature content)

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    Produced by TMS Entertainment, Lupin the Third: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine is a 13-episode TV series created to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the first anime about Lupin the Third, the master thief created by Kazuhiko Kato (a.k.a. Monkey Punch). Typically Lupin is accompanied on his heists by the femme fatale Fujiko, Jigen the marksman, and the lethal swordsman Goemon, avoiding the pursuit of the persistent Inspector Zenigata. In this series though Fujiko takes a major role, and we're taken back to a time before Lupin had assembled his small gang of thieves. How did Lupin first meet Fujiko, and what happened after that? This show means to answer those questions. Prominent staff include director Sayo Yamamoto (Michiko To Hatchin, Texhnolyze), character designer Takeshi Koike (Redline), art director Seiki Tamura (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, K-ON, Michiko to Hatchin), and episode writer Dai Sato (Cowboy BeBop, Ergo Proxy, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex)

    New episodes will premiere Fridays at 12:30 PM Eastern Time on funimation.com, streaming to the U.S. and Canada; all episodes can be reached through their show page. Downloadble subtitled episodes are also going to be put up for sale on Sony Video Unlimited and Xbox/Zune stores every Saturday. Two episodes have aired so far in Japan, and FUNimation put them both up at the same time today. Episode descriptions follow:

    Master Thief vs. Lady Looter

    "Fujiko Mine, the devestatingly sexy lady thief who'll stop at nothing to make her steal, has her sights set on a religious cult's secret treasure when a new man waltzes into her life: Lupin the Third. Has our luscious looter finally met her match?"

    .357 Magnum

    "A war is going down between the Italian and Chinese Mafias, and Fujiko ends up in the middle of it. A mysterious bodyguard named Daisuke Jigen stands at the heart of the matter, but who knows whose side he's really on?"

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  2. GingaDaiuchuu

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    Episode 1

    None of my favorite anime have come from the Lupin franchise, but damn they gave this 40th anniversary celebration and return to TV after over a quarter-century to the right people. Direction and many other duties goes to a major player in Redline, series composition by the scriptwriter of anohana and Toradora!, script by her and a scriptwriter on Cowboy Bebop, Ergo Proxy, and Eureka Seven, character design and animation direction by the guy who did about as much as one person can on Redline, art direction by the art director of all Haruhi anime, music production by Shinichiro Watanabe, etc. That is a damn impressive lineup. Granted, the first episode isn't as good as my favorite work(s) by any of them, but for a franchise that hasn't produced one of my favorites in these past 40 years, a first episode this strong is pretty exciting. It's at least looking to be one of my favorite new series this season and one of my favorite Lupin anime, if not my number one by the end of it. It will be hard to pass the Castle of Cagliostro, but when it may be second only to that after only a single episode, I wouldn't doubt that possibility.
     
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    Episode 2

    Wow, Fujiko meets Jigen with no Lupin in sight. Definitely never thought I'd see that in LUPIN THE THIRD. I guess that means she'll be meeting Goemon in the next episode? Zenigata has already shown up, so he'll probably just be in whatever episodes Lupin is in. Maybe after the Goemon episode, they'll all be there together. That should be nice. I wonder if Fujiko will introduce Lupin to his usual partner.
     
  5. Leaping Larry Jojo

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    If this show plays its cards right, it may well be the next Cowboy Bebop for the current anime generation. No hyperbole. Ironic since Cowboy Bebop was partially inspired by Lupin. Now the Lupin franchise is taking a cue from Cowboy Bebop's stylishness and making an old franchise fresh and sexy again.

    With its episodic nature, great animation staff and western-appealing setup, this has the potential of giving the North American anime fandom a shot in the arm. The nudity may be a problem to some, but this is of course 2012.

    It's still early though. Still plenty of time to crash into mediocrity.
     
  6. savedbythebell

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    Man I just watched the first episode and I loved it, what a stylish show.
    If they keep this up it could be one of the best animes I've seen in years.

    Also I'm a pretty big Lupin fan and I can't wait for Discoteks release of the first series.
     
  7. RayChuang

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    I've seen both broadcast episodes and it's a very stylish, sexy show--it really feels like the early Monkey Punch Lupin III manga "come to life." The characters have a vastly more "mature" edge than previous TV series, that's to be sure.
     
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    Wow, it seemed like they were going to last a full episode with Fujiko keeping her clothes on this week. They sure love gratuitous nudity, don't they? Not that I particularly mind, especially when it's this well drawn, but it is rather silly and it's a shame this'll prevent it from airing on TV unless Spike or Starz or HBO (do they even do acquisitions?) decides to air it.
     
  9. Space Cadet

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    I don't think you'll get those three networks to air it either. Spike(outside of Afro Samurai) isn't interested in anime, Starz is more focused on making original series and HBO(which has done some acquisitions, mostly documentaries) is the same way.

    AS seems to be the best bet at this point. In terms of nudity, they blur it now, so there might be a chance.
     
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    Episode 3

    I really like the style of the visuals, but they honestly don't look that good in terms of just animation quality. Redline made it work on a much higher level than almost anything ever, and I know I can't expect a weekly series to have the quality of a movie that took seven years to make, but it really seems like they could easily make this look a lot better. I guess between the style they're going for and a certain retro feel I think they must be keeping in mind, this is just the logical way it would end up looking. But do they really have to put those damn scribbles on top of everything? That is one part I don't understand at all. Very strange for modern anime. I watched it in HD and didn't think it looked any better than FUNimation's SD stream, and that's something I never thought I'd be able to say.

    Not much to say about the actual episode. About what I expected. Fujiko meets Goemon. Standard Lupin subplot. I am surprised that she was fully clothed for almost the entire episode, though. But of course Goemon's sword-work can only take off clothes, so there goes that.
     
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    I agree, this is an AS show front to back, and if they just sucked it up an took an MA with blurred nudity, they'd have people with jaws on the floor. This is the kind of show you relaunch Toonami with - action, cool characters, episodic, and so on. This is the kind of show that even gets the haters in on anime. This is a show you buy if you run an adult animation block come hell or high water. Get the checkbook, put some zeroes and commas after some integer between one and nine on a check, endorse it, and give it to FUNimation. Now.
     
  12. Soul

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    Exactly, it's not like we've seen blurred animated nudity on [as] as well, Korgoth, Metalocalypse and even Venture Bros. I think has done it.
    If [as] DOESN'T license this for broadcast and just friggin blur/censor her nudity...someone is stupid.

    As for my thoughts on the show? I'm absolutely loving it; I haven't been this floored by a TV anime series in a long time.
    Animation, music, direction, and so on, just nailed.
    Sayo Yamamoto is so obviously Shinchiro Watanabe's protegee, it's not even funny, heck if Michiko & Hatchin wasn't proof of that, plus yes! Let's not for get Watanabe's music production, obviously outside of directing a Lupin anime, this is still probably a dream for him to work on; the music just meshes so well with the animation and style. Koike's animation and character design is brilliant as well, I do agree that the line shading and such is bit obsessive throughout the show but ah well.

    I can't wait for more.
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    Edit: As for episode 3, oh man, Goemon is such a beast, his skills with a sword...Afro better watch out.
    And yes, I was surprised that we went almost the whole episode without Fujiko getting topless/nude but...ahh, thanks Goemon. ;)
     
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    I suspect the animation is rougher than what is intended, although I do think they are attempting to emulate a comic book look with crosshatching and the like. I've heard rumours that Koike is being so perfectionist that the final home release might look quite different.

    As for censorship? Honestly, we see so much sex around the media, I'm constantly surprised that, as a society, we're still so prudish about nudity. It's 2012. If you haven't seen a nipple before, you probably don't have internet access, never go out, never watch movies, and never read the newspapers. And since TV is increasingly becoming more specialized, the point of censorship is becoming moot, especially when you're aiming a show at adults anyway, at late night hours.
     
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    As far as the animation style goes, I do find the shading a little annoying with the latest episode BUT this does seen to reflect the sketchiness of Monkey Punch's manga style albeit with a more modernist touch in the character designs (Mystery of Mamo, and the previous TV series reflected Monkey Punch's actual drawing style).

    I'm actually relieved that this series is so explicit about the nudity. I got into anime during the period when TV series has light nudity, and OAVs were very detailed in that aspect (mainly the mid-80's through the early 90's) but somewhere around Evangelion things descended down to a more conservative "Barbie-doll" style and even a lot of TV series still weren't as explicit as their manga counterparts (Inuyasha comes to mind). I not saying Japanese TV NEEDS gratuitous nudity it's just a breath of fresh air when anime of Japanese TV has started becoming more sensitive of graphic visuals.

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    Personally I love the art and I think its a breath of fresh air seeing an anime that doesn't look so clean and sterile, so bland. It really adds style making the show even cooler.

    And on the nudity, I don't think its a big deal. Fujiko's main weapon is her sexuality and showing how comfortable she is flaunting her body makes sense for her character.

    I've been on a few more message boards where the entire discussion was about how there was too much nudity. The way people are acting about this is part of the reason why animation still isn't accepted by some people as anything more than for children. If this was a live action drama on premium cable would anyone make a big deal out of it? I think not.
     
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    I rarely stream anime, but new Lupin was finally enough to get me to try it out. I've only checked out the first episode so far, but it was rather awesome. I love how it really goes for its own style with more of a rough look than something squeaky clean. It makes it more fell like the manga come to life, and the art alone really gives the show more of a personality. Even besides the art though, this really felt true to Lupin and true to the characters. Is there any chance this goes beyond 13 episodes?

    Best Lupin series since Cowboy Bebop.
     
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    Episode 4

    As I figured, back to an episode with Lupin. None of the others joining in, though. That would have been nice. Hopefully that happens soon. Of course, Zenigata is there, although he seems to be pretty different from the usual Zenigata. He does still get jerked around by Lupin just as much, though, so I guess he's still the same when it matters. While I would have liked to have seen the other characters join in, the episodes with Lupin continue to prove the most fun.
     
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    So this means that we'll actually have a COMPETENT Zenigata for this series?! While I've always appreciated Zenigata's goofiness and obsession with Lupin sometimes it flanderized the character a little too much. So I like if he's more grounded here.

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    Has anyone been watching it? It has gotten... interesting to say the least.
     
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    Yeah, the first half of the series seemed to find ways to exploit Fujiko's "assets" every episode while the last few episodes seem more focused on bringing the Lupin gang together as well as dealing with Fujiko's backstory (albeit the series has also turned far more tripier with the owl people that may or may not exist).

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