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"Logan" Feature Talkback (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Marvel Live-Action Movies and Television' started by Yojimbo, Mar 3, 2017.

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Logan, you still have time. Rate this movie.

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  1. Yojimbo

    Yojimbo Yes, have some.
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    One Last Time...

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    Logan
    Release date: March 3, 2017
    Studio: 20th Century Fox
    Director: James Mangold
    MPAA Rating: R (for strong brutal violence and language throughout, and for brief nudity)
    Screenwriters: Scott Frank, James Mangold, and Michael Green
    Starring: Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, Dafne Keen, Stephen Merchant, Boyd Holbrook

    Plot Summary: In the near future, a weary Logan cares for an ailing Professor X in a hide out on the Mexican border. But Logan's attempts to hide from the world and his legacy are up-ended when a young mutant arrives, being pursued by dark forces

    Discuss Wolverine's last movie right here! Sound off!

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  2. Magmaster12

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    I actually really didn't care for this, mainly goes back to fact I just do not care about Wolverine.
     
  3. defunctzombie

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    Wall 'o Text ahead. ;)

    I will preface with this: VIOLENCE. SWEARING. R RATING!!! :D I'll compare to Blade and Deadpool, since yes some people forget there was another R rated comicbook movie before the red suited menace. If I remember Blade right, Logan has more of both, but compared to Deadpool I'd have to say it's a tie for violence. Deadpool has a lot of shock violence (as in "hi I just smashed a guy into a road sign after decapitating him with a bike chain"), while Logan is full of claw violence and a few short scenes of what I'll call healing factor violence (more later). I can't remember Blade being that nasty (maybe Spawn went there, but Spawn is its own category of cool). Swearing wise, I'll wait for the youtubers to count 'em up. DP and friends rank in at 84 F bombs, whereas Logan may be in the 50s? TBH I wasn't counting. I just knew as soon as I heard three or four out of CHARLES I knew this was going to be a rough movie.

    Charles cursing is surprising, but then again I can understand why he would take to such language. We saw him do a little of it when he was depressed in Days of Future Past, so wouldn't he naturally step up once all his mutant children are gone and the world is a desolate place as it was? Speaking of the good natured Professor, there were some giggles in the theater when Logan called him Chuck, that was a cool nod.

    And nods abound, as I was glad to see. I knew there would be some comics from the trailers (that I tried to avoid), but I didn't expect some old movie references. Charles and Laura share a tender moment over one of his favorite flicks in a hotel room, Logan is recognized as the Wolverine early in the film, there's a nod to an earlier franchise installment, and of course the overall references to Old Man Logan. The violence in the film has been noted as excessive by some, to which I say go get a copy of Old Man Logan and read that sucker. The pages starting from the SNIKT spread in particular are exactly what this movie is going for.

    If you watch the previous standalone Wolverine installment, you'll notice that it does not have a "save the world" theme like other comic book movies made around the same time. Logan definitely follows that same idea. This is a character movie first and foremost, not a superhero movie (even though several characters look up to Logan as a hero). It's appropriate that the title is Logan and not Wolverine in that regard, much like The Dark Knight is more of a crime thriller and less of a Batman movie.

    And now the meat of my post. Do not click on the following.

    DO. NOT. CLICK. UNLESS. YOU. WANT. TO. BE. SPOILED. MAJOR SPOILER


    This is a definite 5/5. A great send off, the Wolverine movie we all wanted to see, and it makes me sad that there are people whining that it's R rated. Take your kids to Lego Batman, this is for the adults.
     
  4. Neo Ultra Mike

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    Well we are now officially in March which is looking to be one of the busiest Marches in a while in terms of having a lot of major box office tent poles as week after week, studios are going to go with one major hit after another based on some sort of major license. In this case we get the first live action super hero movie of the year and Fox's only entry into the year. Since as of yet we don't know exactly what FOX is suppose to be doing with the other X-Men related movies in the next few years (and hopefully after Fantastic Fail that's the only marvel property they're allowed to touch again ever) or how they're going to play the movies. I kind of am hoping they're going to stop doing as many major Apocalypse level movies since though that was okay I think at this point it's proven the FOX films can't do those sort of 4 quadrant uber releases like the MCU can. And should focus on movies like DP or like this: smaller scale more visercial and raw movies not overpacked with characters and can pick a more solid tone. Which they might do considering how well DP did and how good press this is doing. Which is especially impressive considering Wolverine solo movies aren't the hottest ticket. Origins did fairly well in box office but terribly with ciritcs and The Wolverine did okay with critics but sans the international Asian market would be the lowest X Men doing movie ever. This could change things around. Granted I do think it's annoying this is some sort of alternate reality separate from the main continuity despite the fact this is suppose to be Hugh Jackman's last Wolverine movie. Which feels like a weird disconnect but eh guess most of the X-Men movies now have that due to there not being a straight connecting continuity. This one is also a Suicide Squad situation as one of the major players introduced is actually a character from the comics who didn't start in the comics but X23, a character from X-Men evolution. Aka the X-men series I know most about and I do remember sort of liking the character at first due to the emotion but not caring much for as they went forward. Could this change me more on the character and really end the Wolverine character and movies and this part of the X Movie verse on a bang?

    Well if by bang you mean pretty depressing but definite note that does work emotionally even if it does have some issues then yeah I'd say mission accomplished. (Warning spoilers ahead which is why the rest of this is in spoiler tags)


    So yeah there were some issues I did have but the rest was still really solid and again one of the best X-Men movies. It's not as good as Deadpool and honestly the scope and the ending of Days of Future Past probably put it above this one but this is definitely a solid third of all the X-Men movies and again at least the Wolverine films ended wayyyyyyyyyy better then they began and so glad that is the case.
     
  5. AdrenalineRush1996

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    Then why did comment on this in the first place if you don't really care about Wolverine?

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  6. Magmaster12

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    What I can't express my opinion.
     
  7. AdrenalineRush1996

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    That's not even what I meant.

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  8. WebMasterSage

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    This was the most Violent Movie I have seen.

    But in the end it was a Fantastic Movie. And Sad later on. I'm Really gonna miss Hugh Jackman as Logan.
     
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  9. defunctzombie

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    Very nice review with only mild spoilers (nothing heavy on the plot, no twists): http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2017/03/logan-might-be-the-most-important-superhero-film-ever

    Edit: not related to the above, but I just thought of something.

    MAJOR SPOILERS below, including one for Captain America Civil War:

     
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  10. RoryWilliams

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    I thought it was an incredible sendoff. There were a few parts I didn't like
    but overall, I loved it.

    There's a real sense of underlying tension that I think was missing from the first Wolverine movie.
     
  11. Freddy

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    I saw Logan yesterday. In my opinion, there are now three truly great X-Men movies (if you are curious, the other two are First Class and Deadpool), but I wouldn't call this movie the next big superhero movie masterpiece like so many critics are.

    All the essential elements work wonderfully. Jackman and Stewart give their best performances as these characters, the girl playing Laura has a promising career ahead of her and the action scenes are precisely as visceral as they should be in a movie like this. The story is pretty basic "broken man must learn to care again with the help from young girl", but all the Wolverine - stuff keeps it being too formulaic.

    However, I do have some strong criticisms. Firstly, the villains were lame and boring. Pierce was incompetant moron, who never posed a serious threat to the heroes, and Dr. Rice didn't have enough screentime to leave an impact one way or the another.

    During the third act, there were also some serious holes in the story's inner logic.

    My main complaint about the very premise from the movie, that I had from the very first trailer, still stands. This movie makes all the future X-Men movies pointless. Why should I care what happens when the young Jean Grey turns into the Phoenix or when the New Mutants face the Demonbear, when I know that all of them will die unceremoniously without making a difference in the world and the mutantkind as a whole is going to be at the brink of extinction? Granted, this doesn't affect the quality of Logan itself and I have made no secret that I'm planning to stop seeing X-Men movies in theaters (outside of Deadpool sequels) anyway, so whatever.

    Anyway, Logan is very good conclusion for Jacman's rocky journey as Wolverine. It isn't 100% satisfying and I can't help, but to feel that I would have liked to see a lot more from him before this day came, although it is better for him hang the claws now rather than later.
     
  12. hobbyfan

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    My bro & I just saw "Logan" today. Ok, the R rating is mostly for extra splatter and dozens of F-bombs, plus the predictable surprise appearance by Deadpool----before the movie!!

    As I understand it, Laura, or, if you prefer, X-23, was introduced in the books as a teenager, not a pre-teen, as she appears to be in the movie. As my bro theorized, it was likely to avoid fan shipping of Logan & Laura. Still, I could hear a certain Christopher Cross song playing in my head. If you don't know which one, facepalm yourself.

    As memory serves, Donald Pierce and the Reavers were associated with Sebastian Shaw's Hellfire Club in the 80's books, and Logan himself was responsible for Pierce eventually getting cyborg parts. Now, Pierce works for Dr. Rice, and, perhaps, by extension some secret government group. Whee.

    So, as an old man in 2029, James "Logan" Howlett has graduated from beer to whiskey. What a shock. Don't ya think the drunken girl in the one scene wanted his attention by flashing her breasts?

    While this is Patrick Stewart's write-off as Xavier, we know James McAvoy will return in the next X-movie. Now, who gets to be the new Wolverine?

    Thought the whole idea of Logan dismissing the comics that he himself has appeared in as BS might be a screw you from Fox to Marvel Studios, although some might think Laura turning the crucifix into an X at the end of the funeral service would be a symbol suggesting a future deal with Marvel Studios looms after that next X-movie......
     
  13. defunctzombie

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    I just realized that the last thing I saw Richard E. Grant in was Spice World, and now I have trouble taking Dr. Rice seriously. :|
     
  14. Stu

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    I agree with the critics on this one, utterly fantastic. It would be nice if the Academy remembered this movie for Jackman and Sir Patrick's performances next year, but that would be a big ask.

    Despite deeply enjoying the film, it was difficult to watch in places, with the filmmakers wisely recognising that the audience do still hold an affection for these actors and the characters, despite their inconsistent quality throughout their 17 year... Manigold really did tug at the heart strings here and go towards his characters rather than offer destruction go for the CGI destruction porn route of the original X-Men and First Class threequels.

    I'm not sure anyone really wanted to see Xavier and Logan meet their demise, but at least it was in a film of true quality. The previous joy of seeing Logan reunited with his alive and well team at the conclusion of Days of Future Past (previously probably the main highlight in the X-Men franchise) may make for a somber future viewing, but yeah... this was heartbreaking.

    Kudos to all involved. I can't see a Logan recasting taking place anytime soon out of good taste, and watching Patrick Stewart explain his reasons for retiring his performances on The Graham Norton recently, I must say I agree with them.

    Brilliantly but so very sad. Highly recommend. Kudos to all involved
     
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  15. defunctzombie

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    3/7: This is a very good article about the film's CGI work, including the stunt doubles and some scenes I didn't even realize had CG over them. Major spoilers ahead.

    http://www.cartoonbrew.com/vfx/cg-actors-logan-never-knew-149013.html


    3/9: Mangold seemingly confirms a popular fan theory about the end of Logan: (obvious spoilers)

    https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-me...ed-the-movies-ending-in-the-wolverine-a149526

    3/16: If anyone's interested, amazon has the blu-ray already up for pre-order at 19.99 (50% off list price), and Best Buy has an exclusive steelbook up for pre-order at 21.99. (Of course bby discounted it AFTER I ordered mine, and I can't cancel and redo because I used a reward certificate. -_-)
     
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  16. Yojimbo

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    Hmm, if Deadpool was February and released digital/physical in April/May then I suppose Logan will be May/June. Super Bummer, defunct
     
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  17. defunctzombie

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    Ah, code soup. XD

    Yeah, the graphics all say "summer" so I guess it won't be too long. I think Apocalypse was theater in May and home October... I know I bought the digital ahead of time and then the disc later since I missed the theater (and gave the digital code that came with it to someone as a present).
     
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    Yup, not in the mood to trouble shoot. lmao.

    Because a movie does really well it gets out sooner?
     
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    The French steelbook has a release date of July 5th, 2017 according to Amazon France, but the Indian steelbook has June 13, 2017 as well as some sweet custom artwork by what looks like Steve McNiven (who drew the original Old Man Logan TPB) according to Amazon India. So it could come out who knows when.
     
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    I'm going to guess May 16 digital and May 30 4k, Blu-Ray and DVD.
     
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