Is Any Opinion More Valid Than Any Other?

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  1. Raguoc

    Raguoc Gettin' Motivational

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    Hi. For the longest time, when it comes to fact vs. opinion, I get confused. This is possibly due to my autism. I've seen many reviews on That Guy With The Glasses and I start to think that my opinion means nothing with the way they express their views. it could just be their characters and not their actual selves, but I still feel threatened when their fan bases blindly adopt their views as their own. I think of my opinion and pretty much everything I do and have as useless because I have a disability. I like mainstream shounen anime, but many intellectuals (I think mainly of a certain man on this board) want Toriyama, Oda, Kishimoto, Kubo, Mashima and many other manga creators to drop dead simultaneously, and they'd laugh their butts off. Is my opinion worth anything and are the views of critics somehow superior to the views of other people?
     
  2. GWOtaku

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    I neither read reviews to have a critic dictate what I watch nor to simply find affirmation for my opinions. I read reviews for insight and for some guidance on what to watch, and/or if I want to see something ASAP. An opinion is only as good as the reasoning backing it up, no matter who it comes from. Good critics deserve respect and serious engagement, but never blind loyalty or bandwagon sentiment. I'm a strong admirer of Roger Ebert and I certainly don't agree with his take on everything.

    The thing to remember about parody reviews is that they tend to exaggerate or focus overmuch on flaws or funny details to be entertaining. So, you have to consider what they say in that context unless that person isn't playing their character.
     
  3. Terror of Death

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    This is a favorite quote of mine from a Shonen manga: "You shouldn't rely on others to help you determine what's good and what's bad. In no time at all, you'll just simply be under someone else’s control."

    It doesn't matter if you have the highest IQ on the planet or the lowest, when it comes to judging the quality of media; music, art, videogames, books, movies etc, no opinion is greater than any other. The opinion of a popular and well respected critic who believes Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever is as equally valid as the John Doe who believes Trolls 2 is the greatest movie ever.


    I thought the same of myself for a long time but later I learned that having a disability or an unpopular viewpoint or not being good at certain things doesn't make someone inferior or thier opinions worthless. My personal belief is that the only worthless opinions are those that cause harm to others. Opnions based on hubris, bigotry, injustice, greed, and complete apathy towards the plight of innocent people.
     
  4. Raguoc

    Raguoc Gettin' Motivational

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    Thank you, kind sir. This has helped me a lot.
     
  5. SSJPabs

    SSJPabs It's just us

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    I understand it's just manga line, but I think taking it too seriously is a mistake. Sometimes you are unfamiliar with a topic or the topic is complicated enough that it would require a great deal of study to truly understand. In such cases learning what others think can help you determine what's good and what's bad. Even with media, take your Citizen Kane example. An experienced person or someone who has studied a great deal about movies can point out things that could enrich your own movie going experience. Things that you might never have seen on your own. Finally, whether or not you like something may not necessarily correlate with that something being "good."
     
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    I had a feeling this would be brought up so apologizes for not elaborating more the first time around. The full context of the quote in question was one part social commentary on sheeple and one part reinforcement of the idea that one man's trash is another man’s treasure.
     
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    SSJPabs It's just us

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    Fair enough.
     
  8. Raguoc

    Raguoc Gettin' Motivational

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    There's another thing I've been meaning to ask. How do facts factor into opinions and how can an opinion be wrong?
     
  9. Shawn Hopkins

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    Opinions are arived at based on the observation of facts. If you get the underlying facts wrong, the opinion is wrong. I hate brocoli because it makes you explode, that would be a wrong opinion.
     
  10. Raguoc

    Raguoc Gettin' Motivational

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    Are wrong opinions grounds for killing ones self? I guessing no, correct? because reviewers keep telling me my opinion is wrong and that I should kill myslef.....and I almost do sometimes
     
  11. Shawn Hopkins

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    Of course not. And when they say that they don't really mean it, it's exaggeration for a joke. Don't take it seriously.

    If you're thinking that way a lot you should also talk to a trusted adult about it. A priest, a psychologist, a doctor, a parent or a teacher. Or call someone from here before you do something drastic.

    http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

    And definitely don't let some reviewer on the internet influence your sense of self-worth.
     
  12. Raguoc

    Raguoc Gettin' Motivational

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    Well, perhaps it was just the voices in my head saying that.....I can't tell anymore. Thank you for your concern, though.
     
  13. sun

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    Guess it depends on the statement, or how factual the opinion really is. Example:

    World War II was an awful war because it killed at least 50 million people.

    The first part of the above is really an opinion, the second part factual statement. Is it of more value
    or correct than this statement..:

    "I had an arguement with my girlfriend, she dumped me, and I am such a lousy person that I should
    hurt myself..

    so, again we have an opinon teamed up with a facutal statement..doesn't tellus much..Certainly, if
    we have a low opinion of ourselves we might accept one idea following another. But a break up
    with a girl friend is not a reason to hurt oneself..while the breakup may be factual, it does not follow that one should hurt oneself..That thougt is a lie. We do not need to believe it. Where as in the first statement...well, an awful war kills many, but 50 million does make it an awful war..So it may be factual if you are willing to accept it. Certainly more factual than the second statement.

    Here are two more opinions to think about..
    1.I like blue more than green and so blue is a better color.

    2. I like grean more than blue and so green is a better color


    Clearly these two are opinions, and in this case..neither is more correct than the other. So it isn't so simple is it. Most of life is like the first set and only some of life is like the second set. I know this doesn't help many here, but it is what I believe..and that is an opinion I should say
     
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  14. Raguoc

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    When it comes to entertainment, is there anything that should be considered factually good or factually bad, or is there some gray area that suggests that people can enjoy whatever they want? I question my interests constantly because of TGWTG reviews and people being generally bad people when it comes to other people's views. I'm not even sure if I should like cartoons due to the age ghetto. Or anime because of how much the fandom is made fun of.
     
  15. MDawg

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    You like what you like and don't like what you don't like. You shouldn't have to justify your decisions on why you do or don't like something to anyone else. And you most-certainly shouldn't let others dictate what you "Should" like by any means. If you like it, that's all that matters. If they think it's awful, tough.
     
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    Well, part of the problem is also that I feel the need to be right about everything. I don't want to like the wrong things, y'know?
     
  17. Shawn Hopkins

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    Man, the only thing anybody can sure they're right about is that they aren't always right. Everyone else is muddling along just like you, taking their best guesses and making it up as they go, so don't worry, like what you like, and don't even think about explaining it or justifying it. You know what my favorite movie is? Rock N' Roll High School. Why? I don't even know, I just like it, and I don't care what anyone else thinks.
     
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    Probably one of the best posts I've read on Toon Zone in a long while. I couldn't of said it better myself, bravo. :)
     
  19. cartoonscartoons

    cartoonscartoons I cant help it, if I'm lucky

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    Yeah.. I mean look at Arrested Development compared to Two And A Half Men..your going to say they are both equally good because one is one persons favorite show and the other is another persons favorite show?
     
  20. Shawn Hopkins

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    An argument can be made about objective quality, but if someone says "I like Two And A Half Men better," they aren't wrong.
     

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