Ever After High: Are You A Royal Or A Rebel? Talkback

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    Ever After High is the spin off of Mattel's popular Monster High franchise of dolls, books, webisodes, and accesories.

    Ever After High is about a boarding school where the sons and daughters of famous fairy-tale characters learn the skills they need to fulfill their destinies.

    The main characters are Apple White (daughter of Snow White) and Raven Queen (daughter of the Evil Queen from Snow White). One is a Royal who wants everything to follow the plot of the fairy tale and get her own "Happily Ever After". The other is a Rebel who wants to rewrite her story. They both need each other because if they don't fulfill their roles their stories cease to exist!!!

    Other characters include:

    Prince Daring Charming - Apple's beau
    Briar Rose- Sleeping Beauty's YOLO loving daughter
    Madeline Hatter- The Mad Hatter's daughter, ripping off Pinkie Pie so hard it's not even funny
    Dexter Charming- Daring's brother, who might as well Jackson Jekyll
    C.A. Cupid- transferring from Monster High
    And the rest I'll get to later.

    The Flash based animation is leaps and bounds ahead of Monster High's. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mattel looked at what My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is able to accomplish and decided to put more money and effort into it.

    What's most interesting about the whole thing is that Apple & Raven are set up to have a "Galinda & Elphaba Wicked" style relationship. Plus we don't know what Raven wants to do with her life. She doesn't want to poison Apple, but does that mean she wants to stay the Queen?

    The first 2 episodes are online with each chapter having dueling narrators that each champion Apple or Raven. The entire thing invokes comparisons to Princess Tutu, Wicked, Shrek 2, and Once Upon A Time. The only downside so far is that the cast speaks in modern slang that doesn't really fit the setting. But it is cute and I want to see where the story is headed. You can have a lot of fun just trying to catch who all the other background fairy tale characters are.

    This franchise is the Goliath Equestria Girls wants to slay.

    Mattel is releasing a series of Ever After High books by Shannon Hale. Just like they did the Monster High series by Lisi Harrison.

    Shannon Hale and Mattel Live Happily 'Ever After'

    Ever After High Facebook

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    Ever After High

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  2. Dudley

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    In terms of visuals and animation, this looks better than Monster High, but that's because of all the After Effects lighting they got going on.
    I really hope that down the line, that the characters learn that they're able to make their own destiny, because right now it's teaching kids that if you don't choose the path that's been given to you. And that's pretty horrible.

    With the exception of Madeline Hatter (this franchise's Pinkie Pie), all the characters are shallow and boring.
     
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    Apple & Daring Shallow?!?! *Gasp* How Dare You!

    I think that's the way EAH is going to differentiate itself from MH. There's no series Alpha Witch/Mean Girl the way Cleo De Nile is. Apple & Daring are the Ken & Barbie of EAH who are beloved by all and don't have to work for all the adulation that they get. So yes, they are extremely shallow. But does being shallow and not wanting to change the status quo make them the bad guys? We'll just have to wait and see. The ongoing soap opera style plot is certainly a break from what Mattel normally does with their animation.

    I would've liked it better if Mattel had gone with traditional animation, but I can't remember if they've ever done that since the awful Barbie & The Rockers/Sensations OVA.

    Headmaster Grimm- is completely and totally Drosselmeyer from Princess Tutu and is already shaping up to be the series Big Bad.

    As for the moral of the story; do they do what is safe and expected or rewrite their story? The status quo will probably prevail only because why would anybody care about these characters if their parents hadn't already gone through all these trials before?

    May those who accept their fate be granted: Happiness!
    May those who defy it: Glory!
     
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    I'm a little annoyed that they needed to add a pretty princess companion to Monster High. Madeline Hatter looks fun, but that's her job isn't it? Beyond that, as these aren't monsters Mattel is probably going to get a little heat for the lack of diversity here, and you know for being shallow "SHOES, PRINCES, ME ME ME" stereotypes.
     
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    Good Luck Finding Minori-teens In European Based Fairy Tales

    Cedar Woods is Pinochicco's daughter- she's clearly made of Mahogany;)

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    Briar Beauty comes off as ambiguously brown when compared to Apple & Raven who are both pale as ghosts.

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    I'm a little surprised they just didn't try to make Cherise Hood (daughter of Little Red or the Big Bad Wolf) a relative of Clawdeen's. That would've been an easy in for crossovers and to get a minority as one of the leads. I can't be too mad at Mattel at least in MH they had The Wolf Pack with Clawdeen, Clawd, and Howleen, and Middle Eastern sisters Cleo & Nefera De Nile.

    Ashlynn Ella is the biggest offender for being shallow with the shoe obsession. Ha, Ha, Ha isn't that hysterical? Cinderella's daughter has a shoe fetish :ack:.

    I don't know how Blondi-locks scammed her way into the royal side. Seeing as how her mom's a no good trespasser........ Oh!;)
     
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    Stark Raven Glad, To Have A New Webisode!

    We got a new episode of Ever After High. Headmaster Grimm wants to have an "intervention" for Raven and get her back on the "wrong" track. As in back to being "evil", in attendance are Maddie Hatter (who's on Raven's side), Apple, Briar Beauty (why?), and Lizzie Hearts (appropriately evil). Kitty Chesire also makes her first speaking appearance in the Pied Piper's Music Class. She is also not a Rebel. Russian fairy tale witch Baba Yaga is apparently the "Evil" counselor who doesn't seem to want to go along with Grimm's plan but has no choice.

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    Ever After High

    Raven already seems to be able to use her magic more than say anybody in Monster High. One of my complaints about MH was that the Monsters hardly ever did anything with their special abilities, maybe at the end of one of their CGI movies. Or maybe Frankie shorted something out. But nothing else.

    This is another thing that bothers me about MH & EAH is that we don't EVER see any parents! I'd like to know how the original fairy tale characters felt about their kids having no choice but to carry on their legacy- did they like it? Or were they filled with resentment? Of course you can't have Dracula, Frankenstein, the Evil Queen, etc running around in the show, because it's like having the adult heroes in Young Justice- it'll become all about them. Who wants to see Frankie Stein (Teen Titans) when you can have Frankenstein (Batman)?

    And I continue to be disappointed that a fairy tale cartoon can't get on TV in today's market. How come Superbook is on Saturdays at 7:30PM on CBS, but MH/EAH/Barbie Life In The Dream House is internet only? Seriously, CBS only shows reruns in the mornings. ABC and Fox have NO animated programs. You're telling me the CW/4Kids/Whatever it's called today couldn't run this?
     
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    I actually like this better than Monster High. I can't wait for the books to start being released.
     
  8. Silverstar

    Silverstar Ah, No.

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    Just a few questions:

    Why is the Cheshire Cat's daughter a human? And why is Cherise Hood half-wolf? The human/animal hybrids on this show are somewhat eyebrow raising.

    If Apple White is the daughter of Snow White and Raven Queen is the daughter of the Wicked Queen, then shouldn't they be related? The Wicked Queen is Snow White's stepmother, so shouldn't Raven and Apple be 2nd cousins or something?

    Why do the girls have to basically relive their parents' respective stories? If their folks are already married with children, then their fairy tales have already happened, so why do the kids have to live out those stories too? Is it a destiny kind of thing, is there a mystical reason behind it, or is it just a ceremonial thing that they're expected to perform, like Civil War re-enactments?

    I do like how Raven Queen isn't evil, nor does she aspire to be. That's a nice touch. It would've been too, too easy to just make Raven the main antagonist of the show.

    Pity all of the boy characters have to be assembly line Prince Charmings. Offspring of characters like Merlin or Robin Hood or Peter Pan or even a Dwarf or 2 might've been cool to see. Heck, even daughters of those characters could be cool.
     
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    So Much (Family Friendly) Beastility

    Any questions you have should be answered with "Because it's a fashion doll line":p. Are they all shape shifters or did little Red really get down with the tyranny wolf dressed like her grandmother?:eek:

    Either way, I'd like to see Kitty Cheshire pull a full on Aisha Clan Clan:)

    The evil queen didn't have a daughter in the original Snow White. So Raven is a new character. Yes, she should be Apple's step sister, but that will probably be hand waved away. After all, if they were already used to living together, why should it be a big deal for them to be roomies at EAH? Of course if you tried to make a family tree of the Queens and the Whites-Charmings- it probably would just go straight up without any branches:confused:.

    I would like it better if they had to update/reimagine their stories for new generations to keep it fresh. They follow the basic story structure but then are allowed their own personal touches. But I doubt Headmaster Grimm would allow such things.

    Robin Hood could actually be a female without any name change necessary. But that would make Maid Marion a guy..............., it could work, John Wayne's really name was Marion. Of course Robin Hood is an "action" figure, not who you think of when you think of a fashion doll line. She could make a fun background character, but if Mattel ever made a doll of her she'd have a ball gown and no arrows.

    But Peter Pan is not part of the public domain so don't expect to see him or Tinkerbell. Plus Peter Pan is not supposed to grow up so he wouldn't need to have kids to pass down his title. Return To Neverland already trode that ground very well.
     
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    Yes they would be related. Raven Queen would be Apple White's step-aunt (and Snow White's step-sister).
     
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    When Will My "True Reflections" Show Who I Am Inside?

    Happy Fourth Of July! You get a new webisode of Ever After High instead of fireworks! When Raven accidentally spells Apple's magic mirror, hilarity ensues;). Really, isn't Raven as the evil queen's daughter the one who's supposed to have the magic mirror? Apple is oblivious enough to her own annoying habits, but is still genre savvy enough to know who's really at fault. Unfortunately, Raven falls right into the trap of being considered "EVIL" even when its accidental. Daring Charming, Briar Beauty, and Blondilocks are all still as shallow as a puddle.


    Ever After High

    Here's a first look at the Ever After High dolls. Who knows maybe I'll actually have to get a Raven Queen as she is the closest I'll ever come to a Princes Kraehe. I honestly hope they make Briar Beauty's creeping vine stockings for young adults- too cool. You can buy EAH dolls at Toys R Us and Justice the tween clothing store you've probably never been in.

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    Well, they're cute, I'll give it that much.
    Too bad they all have the same exact face.
     
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    I kind of like Raven Queen; she seems pretty cool. Based on what I've seen so far, she's the only EAH character who comes in more than one layer.

    Madeline Hatter has her moments, but overall she just seems to be channeling Pinkie Pie, and a little of that goes a long way.

    You know, I think Raven could probably be a good fit for Monster High. MH doesn't have a teenage witch, and Raven seems nice enough that she'd probably get along with the monsters pretty well, what with her not wanting to be pigeon holed as evil and all.

    Also, EAH deserves some honorable mention for referencing Baba Yaga!
     
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    Oh come on, een the Bratz dolls had more than one face mold in the first line.
     
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    No Rhyme Or Reason: Maddie In Chief

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    "Maddie-In-Chief" is about how Madeline Hatter is the only person willing to run against Apple White for student council president. Excuse me? A democracy inside of a fairy tale world based on several different monarchies? That sounds like a pretty rebellious and radical idea to me.
    This webisode was way too short and the conflict resolved way too easily. I can't believe that Apple would give up total control so easily.

    Maddie spouted off a lot of poetry, but I don't feel like we've gotten to know her any better.
     
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    Here Comes C.A. Cupid Boo Boo

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    Here's our first look at Chariclo Arganthorne Cupid in EAH! This episode isn't on the official site or You Tube page yet. But you can find it. She spends the majority of the time helping others. But you see she has a crush on Dexter Charming. I thought he liked Raven Queen! For the first time we get to see Tiny the Giant's face too. But the real star of the episode is Prince Hopper Croakington the 2nd. My new favorite male character- he's a eloquent, smooth talking frog who turns into a tongue tied handsome prince. When he gets nervous, BAM, back to being a frog:p. He's a real cutie as a frog, but comes off badly as a Prince. He likes Briar Beauty. We get a little Cyrano De Bergerac action going on. I don't buy CA not being able to use her wings to keep from falling though.

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    I would like to see Chariclo say good bye to Monster High or a MH/EAH crossover. But I guess she's not that important a character in MH. CA had the job of love advice radio show host on MH. But Blondilocks is the multi media character/gossip on EAH. Will CA get a new show or have to do something else?

    The EAH website is fully live now. If you join the site you can download samples of Raven and Apple's books. I haven't done it. But .....

     
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    Bratz started up in a better business climate. The upfront costs are going up and up.
     
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    They look exactly like the old My Scene dolls with MH proportions. That's just how Mattel does things for most mainstream first doll lines, I think.
     
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    And We'll Never Be Royals, ROYALS!

    The latest episodes of Ever After High pick up with Raven's rebellion against "Legacy Day" and its aftermath. We finally get to meet Giles Grimm, Headmaster Grimm's brother who's been cursed to speak "Riddle-ish" that only Madeline can translate. The Royals are not happy about it and twist what Raven does around and Maddie isn't much better. Kitty Cheshire proves to be a total troublemaker and I can't wait to see her with Lizzy Hearts.




    Raven alone manages to have some depth with Maddie being able to provide support for her. Don't know where the show will go from here.

    There's still a strong Princess Tutu finding your own destiny vibe going on here.

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    There are also webisodes on Cerise Hood, Kitty Cheshire, and Cedar Wood.

    Disney is taking this whole fairy tale the next generation to the all new levels. Once Upon A Time and Once Upon A Time In Wonderland aren't enough. They now are planning a Disney Descendants TV movie starring (guess what) the children of the fairy tale characters.

    The newest Disney Channel Original Movie is asking you to think things you never thought about your favorite Disney characters.The network has announced that casting is now under way for a contemporary live-action adventure-comedy called Descendants that explores the teenage lives of the children of some of Disney’s greatest villain characters.Here’s the scoop: Beast and Belle rule over an idyllic kingdom with their kind teenage son, who looks to be taking the throne, but his first proclamation involves a shot at redemption for the misbehaving kids of Cruella De Vil, Maleficent, the Evil Queen from Snow White, and Jafar (named Carlos, Mal, Evvie, and Jay, respectively).The teens attend the kingdom’s hottest prep school alongside other famous offspring, including the children of the Fairy Godmother, Sleeping Beauty, Rapunzel, and Mulan. The villainous teens face a dilemma of nature vs. nurture, and whether they’ll follow in their parents’ footsteps or embrace their own inner hero.

    The film comes from a script by Josann McGibbon and Sara Parriott, and will be helmed by Emmy winner Kenny Ortega, who knows his way around a DCOM – he’s the director/choreographer behind High School Musical.

    Disney plans live-action movie 'Descendants' featuring villains' kids | The Family Room | EW.com

    Okay, first how does the modern kid of Cruella De Vile exist at the same time and place as all the classic fairy tale characters?

    Finally, more proof that there are no original ideas anymore there's another web series of fashion dolls called Bratillaz. That have the same basic premise as Monster High only instead of being the children of famous monsters. The dolls are all witches who attend Sabrina The Teenage Witch's Secret Academy and are cousins of the original Bratz dolls and share similar names.:shrug: They have the exact same school themed live action dance music video that Monster High, Equestria Girls, and now Ever After High have. I would do a talk back for it if I thought it weren't derivative and boring or that anybody might care.
     

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