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"Blade Runner" Talkback (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'The Entertainment Board' started by Lord Dalek, Dec 18, 2007.

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  1. Lord Dalek

    Lord Dalek Uncreative Hack

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    Note: This talkback is for all the official versions of this film (e.g., director's cut, theatrical release, etc.).

    Mankind has made his match. Now its his problem.

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    "I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've seen c-beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears... in rain." - Roy Batty

    Release Dates: 7/25/82 (Theatrical Versions), 9/11/92 (Director's Cut), 2007 (Final Cut, limited)
    Studio: Ladd Company/Blade Runner Partnership/Warner Bros.
    Director: Sir Ridley Scott
    Aspect Ratio: 2.40:1 (Panavision)
    Starring: Harrison Ford, Rutger Hauer, Sean Young, Edward James Olmos, Daryl Hannah

    Plot Summary: In a cyberpunk vision of the future, man has developed the technology to create replicants, human clones used to serve in the colonies outside Earth but with fixed lifespans. In Los Angeles, 2019, Deckard is a Blade Runner, a cop who specialises in terminating replicants. Originally in retirement, he is forced to re-enter the force when five replicants escape from an offworld colony to Earth.

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    With the long awaited release of every major version of Blade Runner on dvd today, fans of the film around the world are finally able to see the film as it was meant to be seen. And considering we have no real talkback for the movie (SACRILEGE!), today is more than appropriate for one.


     
  2. Michael24

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    My Collector's Edition shipped from Amazon on Sunday, so it should be here soon. I can't wait. I'm especially eager to check out the "Workprint" version and the "International Cut."

    I was (thankfully) able to catch a screening of "The Final Cut" in Los Angeles back in October, and it was amazing. Of the three versions I have seen now (original, "Director's Cut," and this one), this was the best. It looked fantastic, and all of the additions/changes were very effective yet very subtle. From now seeing Joanna Cassidy's face during Zhora's death to the new shot of the dove flying up into the sky at the end, the whole film was a great piece of work.

    And as for the film itself, what more needs to be said? I never tire of watching it. Funny enough, this was a favorite of mine when I was little, though looking back at it now, I can't imagine I had any real idea what was going on. I just liked watching it because it looked so darn cool. Needless to say, the film has been a big influence on me, particularly its production design. I couldn't even begin to count the number of short stories and things I've written that take place in similar worlds.

    Can't wait for the arrival of the DVD set. :D

    Also, I read that as recently as ComiCon 2007 Ridley Scott mentioned his continued interest in a sequel. Apparently, a script was written based on K.W. Jeter's first sequel novel, 1995's Blade Runner: The Edge of Human (which I read at the time and thought was pretty good). I doubt Harrison Ford would return, though he seems to have since made peace with the whole thing, so you never know. In a way, I would love to see a sequel, but in another way, I wouldn't, because I just love how sudden the film ends (and because Scott would probably play up the "Deckard is a Replicant" angle, which I never liked).
     
  3. mookie75

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    I picked up the new dvd at Best Buy today. I wasn't sure if I would when I heard that there were multiple versions in the set because I was afraid the price tag would be higher than I wanted to go at the time. Fortunately, BB had it for $22.99 which seemed very reasonable to me.

    You know, I don't think I've ever seen this movie in its entirety....it's one of those movies that I always "meant" to see but never did.
     
  4. Michael24

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    $22.99!? :eek: Which one was it? The 4-disc set in a regular box or the 5-disc "Collector's Edition" in the briefcase?
     
  5. Ragebot

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    There is also a two-disc set available which features only the Final Cut and the three-hour documentary.
     
  6. Michael24

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    Ah. I didn't know about that one. I thought there were only the two releases I mentioned.

    Anybody know if there's any special promos or anything? Like, buy it at Circuit City and get a poster or buy it at Target and get something else? (Though it's too late for me, since mine's already on the way from Amazon.)
     
  7. Lord Dalek

    Lord Dalek Uncreative Hack

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    Well there is this.
     
  8. Lutochris

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    So how many versions of this movie are there now? Three? Or are there more? Also, was this "Final Cut" done with or without Ridley Scott?
     
  9. Michael24

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    There's the Original Theatrical Release, the International Cut, the Workprint, the 1992 Director's Cut (done with Scott's approval but not direct involvement), and The Final Cut, which Scott handled himself. There's also a version known as "The San Diego Sneak Preview," but I think it's basically the same as the Original Theatrical cut with only some minor additions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner_%28versions%29

    I did see that, but have been reading that it's still not the exact score as heard in the film (rather a re-recording). Plus, some of the tracks I heard have dialogue and sound effects mixed in, and I hate when score releases do that. :mad:
     
  10. rggkjg1

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    i checked this movie out a few months ago (the directors cut). i was curious after reading how good it is and seeing it on all kinds of "greatest movies" lists. i'm sorry, but i did not like this movie. i think it might be because i saw the directors cut. which apparently is supposed to be "better" than the original. maybe if i saw the original theatrical cut i might have a different opinion, but if the directors cut is supposed to be the "better" one, i don't think the original would make me like it.

    the main thing that gave me a headache is the whole "is deckard a clone?" debate. i saw nothing in this movie that would make me wonder if he is or is not a clone. just because you dream of a unicorn, doesn't decide whether or not you're a clone. i discussed this situation with my brother and he said "clones don't have souls. you can't dream if you don't have a soul." the statement has nothing to do with the movie, but clones sleep. if you sleep you must dream. non clones sleep and dream too. if there is anything else in this movie that would make you wonder whether deckard is/isn't a clone (beside the dream), i missed it. in my opinion, deckard isn't a clone. end of story.

    in general, i was dissapointed in blade runner and feel it's an overrated movie. if we can have 5 different cuts of blade runner, i don't see why warner bros can't give us an updated/proper richard donner cut of superman ii, and extended cuts of superman iv and superman returns.
     
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    Ahh...so it wasn't the really big one. It was the four disc that I got for $22.99, which is fine since I wouldn't have picked up the big boy anyway.

    Just out of curiousity, how much was the 5-disc? (I didn't even see that one.)
     
  12. Ragebot

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    First off, Superman II did get a updated cut that was simply the best attempt possible under the circumstances.

    Superman IV was a huge bomb, and nobody would possibly be interested in making one now.

    As far as I know, all of Brian Singer's films have been director's cuts, including Superman Returns. (You honestly would like that film to be longer?)

    Now as for the orignal theatrical cut of Blade Runner, it was a victim of post-production tinkering by the studio execs. The "Final Cut" is by and large the film that Scott had originally constructed in 1982, with virtually no revisionist add-ons.
     
  13. Michael24

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    I think full retail is almost $80, but Amazon is selling it for $54.99. The Collector's Edition is also the only way to get the "Workprint" version as well.

    The thing with the unicorn becomes clearer at the end. Olmos' character leaves Deckard an oragami unicorn, as if to hint that he knows Deckard has a unicorn dream as an implant (the way Deckard had previously explained to Rachel that her memories are merely implants as well), thus proving to him that he's a Replicant. Also of note is a shot in which Deckard's eyes briefly (but quite visibly) have a glow to them the way other Replicants (such as Rachel and even Tyrell's owl) do.

    While I still choose to believe Deckard is human, those are just some of the "pro Deckard/Replicant" arguments.

    And they're Replicants, not clones. They're basically highly-advanced androids.

    But I really don't think this a movie you can just watch one and form a concrete opinion on. Granted, you may just dislike subsequent viewings because you didn't like your initial one, but I know others have changed their minds after watching it a few times and giving the film a chance to "sink in."
     
  14. ROBOTRON

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    :D - A strong 5 stars.

    An epic sci-fi tale with bonuses...you can't beat that. It like buying Star Wars on videotape, I've bought the movie 3 more times for every improvement...the same with this movie. The movie really does take you back to the future...its epic, doooooooooooooooooooooon't j00 miss it.

    Amazon...send me a copy.
     
  15. Michael24

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    This will only be my second time buying it on DVD. The previous one was the original DVD (with the 1992 "Director's Cut"), which I think was one of the first DVDs we bought back in 1998. When the new 5-disc edition was announced (and then once I saw more and more information coming out about it that proved it was becoming a reality), I went ahead and got rid of the older DVD in anticipation.

    (Before that, I had the "Director's Cut" on VHS from when it was first released in '92.)

    I just love that this edition contains so many different cuts of the film. Ridley Scott said in an interview (paraphrasing, of course) he knows fans have their prefered version of the film, just as he does, so he wanted people to be able to have whichever version is their favorite. (Hint hint, Mr. Lucas.)
     
  16. rggkjg1

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    like i said earlier, i would have first checked out the original/theatrical cut if blockbuster had it. im sure it isn't recommended, but for a movie i never saw before i want see the original. i don't know if it will change my opinion though. deckard's narration might have made the movie a little easier to follow and might have pointed out things i messed in the directors cut. the "happy ending" maybe would have been some nice closure.

    another angle i've been thinking for the "deckard is/is not a replicant" is simply just him being paranoid for a couple of coincidences. but that may be i'm convinced he isn't one and most likely can't be told other wise.

    i don't hate blade runner. it isn't the worst movie i've ever seen, but i have seen better movies and frankly i was pretty much "bored" with the film and was dissapointed that there was all this hype about this movie. i liked it enough if i see it used on dvd for like 5 bucks i may pick it up.
    alot of fans are dissapointed in what we got for the donner cut and want them to go back and do another one. i've seen some fan edits of a new donner superman ii and i wouldn't mind a new cut.

    i'm sure blade runner made a whole lot more money than superman iv, but i've heard blade runner wasn't exactly a box office/critical smash either. the original 134 minute cut would have made superman iv a better movie. but i've always liked superman iv anyway.

    from what i've seen in the deleted scenes and the behind the scenes dvd feature, superman returns would have been alot better with everything cut back in. yeah it would be over 3 hours long, but it would be a GOOD 3 hour long movie.

    now that warner bros is "done" with blade runner, i hope they can go back to superman and "finish" what they begun.
     
  17. Leaping Larry Jojo

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    It wouldn't be on a shelf with most DVDs. Most stores carry the metal attache case 5 disc version (there might be another 5 disc version for all I know), which would usually be piled up on the floor somewhere in the store. I got the 4 disc version, which is still pricier than what I usually pay for a special edition DVD.
     
  18. Michael24

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    At our Best Buy, all of those big speciality boxes (like the Gilmore Girls shopping bag box, the special Seinfeld refrigerator, etc.) are placed on an end cap. That's probably where the Blade Runner briefcase will be, too.

    When I first tried to order it in-store, I checked Borders, and they said they wouldn't be stocking the briefcase version, but could order it.

    Most fans agree (myself included, and likely Harrison Ford as well) that Deckard's narration is really useless in that it doesn't serve much purpose other than to basically state the obvious. The narration wasn't even done with Scott's approval, I believe, but rather studio executives who thought the film needed one, and Ford reluctanty agreed to do it. He stated, "What I remember more than anything else when I see Blade Runner is not the 50 nights of shooting in the rain, but the voiceover...I was still obliged to work for these clowns that came in writing one bad voiceover after another."
     
  19. Lord Dalek

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    I think what interesting about the narration is if you approach it from the "Deckard is a replicant" angle like I do, you can consider most of the stuff he's recalling in those v/os are things that Tyrell implanted in his brain. Adds a lot of depth to it and I even wrote a whole paper of the subject for a class I took on Scifi cinema earlier this year.
     
  20. Michael24

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    Interesting. I admit, I haven't seen that version since before the 1992 "Director's Cut," but I do remember it just being distracting when I was little. I'll have to give it another listen.
     

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