Thanks for relocating this part of the discussion, YJ --- you're right, it does really belong here, because it had become more about '89 Batman. I think you're EXACTLY right about Burton -- that's what DB and I were disagreeing about in the other thread. To me, it's evident that Burton purposely sought to return his version of Batman to Kane's short-lived earliest Batman, who did kill with disquieting ease. I can see what you're saying about them making it a little less explicit that Batman is out-and-out executing the Joker; but I still say I don't see any evidence in that scene that Batman has a change of heart about his desire and explicitly-stated aim to kill Joker. You know, I still can't remember that scene. But then, it's been a looooong time since I watched Batman Returns. But yeah, that sure sounds like yet another example of Burton's Batman abandoning the Batman character's most defining moral imperative and having no compunctions whatsoever about deliberately, directly killing.