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"Arrow" Season Four Talkback (Spoilers)

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  1. hobbyfan

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    Too much soap opera for my tastes. If I wanted that, I'd watch Berlanti's other Wednesday night show, Mysteries of Laura, which airs directly opposite Arrow.

    Glad to know I'm not the only one who caught the references to the Vixen animated series. If it wasn't for the fact that Vixen was already on the docket, the only other option to taking down Damien Dorhk would've been Zatanna, except I suspect there's an embargo on Justice League Dark because of the pending movie. Plus, the Constantine reference is due to Matt Ryan being busy elsewhere----as in on Broadway, and unavailable to return for the duration.

    So Merlyn snatched William and dropped him off with Dorhk as a babysitter. Please. How petty can you get? I call Dahrk "Dorhk" now because he looked like one once he realized his powers were gone, and Ollie opened a can on him.

    I see Ollie reopening his campaign right before the end of the season, stringing this out into next season (to tie into the Presidential election, you know). I do see Ollie and Felicity getting back together, too. Or does she go running back to Barry?
     
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  2. Tohya

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    Its network TV. The moment Samantha gave Ollie that ridiculous ultimatum we knew it was all part of the grand plan to have Ollicity split up, it was simply a matter of when. In the Savage episode before Barry went back in time, the kid broke them up for the first time and the flash forward showed Felicity without her engagement ring. It was gut wrenching, and at least now we know how it happened.

    TBH, I wouldnt mind if Ollie took a break from the whole relationship thing, While it has been emotional at times, the show is getting way to soap operaish. The relationship drama really adds nothing to Arrow( unlike other shows that are built around it ) and since the showrunners don't really treat the cast like real people, its hard, at least for me, to find any of their relationship issues believable/convincing.



    Btw When Ollie named dropped Constantine and said he was busy in Hell I couldn't help snicker to myself I think I bet I know why hahaha!
     
  3. Troy Troodon

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    This is just a minor complaint, but when Vixen was trying to break that totem, trying out different animal spirits, I was expecting her to use an elephant last... but instead she went back to the gorilla, which she already tried so.. why didn't she go elephant, that would have been more of a spectacle.
     
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  4. The Penguin

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    "Broken Hearts" March 23, 2016

    Love hurts! Tonight at 8 p.m. ET on The CW.

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    "Taken"
    Wednesday, March 23, 2016 @ 8 p.m. ET/7 CT on The CW
    A heartbroken Cupid returns to Star City with one goal – to destroy anyone in love.
     
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    I'm about ready to put my fist into a wall over the Felicity issue. They've made her this unreasonable, unempathetic person toward Oliver despite all the horrible stuff that they managed to endure together before, and at this point I find it all less believable than a deliberate effort to play up soap opera theatrics. At this point, though, it's enough to just make me think that Oliver shouldn't even want her back and that this whole thing should be over. "I love you but I won't be with you because you're a slave to your past, now and always." That's the message delivered in this episode, and it comes after Oliver pours out his soul and shows genuine contrition. Would you take her back?

    On the other hand, what's going on with Captain Lance is great. At this point I'm here for the A plot and this romantic drama is too much. I almost want this show to end with the next season just to minimize the chance it'll get even worse.
     
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    Wow, I think this is the first time we've seen Laurel actually in court in like...forever. I mean, we've seen her do DA stuff before and use that to help the Team, but it feels like they could've done a lot more with the aspect of her being a DA and a Vigilante. She's basically Black Canary as Kate Spencer/Manhunter, which I guess makes sense since Kate Spencer was her boss before she was unceremoniously killed off in the season 2 finale :sweat:.

    Of course Thea would know all the famous celebrity couples, and of course Olicity would be an in-universe celebrity couple with fans and a waiting paparazzi ready to celebrate their wedding :p.

    Credit where it's due, even in an episode where he doesn't have any lines, Neal McDonough still steals scenes as Damien Darhk just by facial expression alone :D.

    I guess it makes sense that "Damien Darhk" isn't his real name here, even in the world of the Arrowverse, though who knows if the name they gave him is real. Wasn't expecting he'd be a native of Markovia, though that could be a misdirect o_O.

    I guess it's better to see Lance suspended and pending a hearing then have him be locked up (again), though I wonder if he'll still be able to contribute to the team now that he no longer has his position in the SCPD? Though his word and influence is probably still pretty big :).

    Man, I didn't think they could do it, but they made Cupid come off even crazier in this episode then she was in season 3. I guess a broken heart for someone obsessed with love will do that. I wonder if the team would've been better off just having Green Arrow come out to Cupid that he was really The Arrow, and if that might've saved them some trouble. I also kinda found it funny that Olicity managed to restore her faith in love. Is Cupid a stand-in for the fans at his point :rolleyes:?

    It did seem like she was about to drop the trigger before Spartan and Speedy stepped in...

    Poor Oliver. Felicity acts bitter over the break-up, still leaves him even after that impassioned romantic speech (even if I think he's stretching Felicity's influence on him a bit), leaves Team Arrow, and claims he'll never be able to move past the survivor from the island who keeps secrets and is determined to carry out his mission despite all the efforts he's made to stop being that guy. First he has to let his son go and now this :(?

    And Felicity leaving the group because she can't stand to be around Oliver anymore is a bad move on her part, especially given how much of an asset Overwatch has been for Team Arrow all these years. At least she looked pretty great in that wedding dress :shrug:.

    So I guess the island flashbacks are going to tie-in to the present day plot through that idol, which is very reminiscent of what Darhk had been using? At least it was nice to get some backstory for Reiter.
     
  7. Peter Paltridge

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    Wow, this show has slid so far, I'm about ready to give up. Terrible.

    The one reason I was still watching was because Felicity was such a good character and now they've messed THAT up. They took what could have been a great pairing, completely mishandled it, threw in soap opera twists out of a can, made them both horrible people and completely killed it. Completely.

    Now this show has nothing. I don't throw this around lightly, but some of these writers need to be fired. They have no idea what they're doing.
     
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    "Beacon of Hope" March 30, 2016

    The Flash's "Bug-Eyed Bandit" comes to Star City! Tonight at 8 p.m. ET on The CW.

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    Brie Larvan breaks out of jail and turns up at Palmer Tech threatening to kill everyone unless she gets the bio-chip that is implanted in Felicity’s spine.
     
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    Totally forgot that Beth from The Walking Dead had appeared before
     
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  10. Frontier

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    Wow, this felt like the most lighthearted and comic-booky episode of Arrow ever, with all the bee puns, Curtis playing such a major role, Donna being Donna, and Bug-Eyed Bandit making a frikkin' bee robot man out of nanobees. Are we sure this isn't an episode of The Flash ;)?

    A judge giving Brie access to computers was probably one of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen, especially given her brains and expertise. It's like they were just asking for her to break out of prison :rolleyes:.

    So...I guess Merlyn has basically taken over as HIVE's main Star City agent? He sure moved through that organization fast. Though he's probably also working with Ruve to make sure things run smoothly from here on in. I'm also not surprised that HIVE is cutting its losses with Darhk now that he, seemingly, no longer has his powers and killed one of their own on a whim. That doesn't really endear a lot of loyalty. Though I wonder how Ruve feels about her husband's imprisonment o_O?

    Hey! Surprise Murmur appearance. Didn't expect him to have a grandmother. Also wasn't expecting him to play a part in Darhk's escape from prison :eek:.

    Dear lord, the Arrowcave's security really is abysmal. So someone can just walk up to the elevator and activate it? Or did Curtis having that phone help? It still didn't take him that long to find it or get in once he put his mind to it. And I got a good laugh at Ollie still resignedly trying to maintain that they don't call it the "Arrowcave." He's just never going to win on that front :p.

    Curtis struggling to remember Diggle's name was also good for a laugh. Heck, with all his reactions to what was going on and his enthusiasm and pop-culture references, Curtis was just the highlight of the episode for me. I would actually at this point have no problem with him taking over from Felicity as Team Arrow's computer and tech person, as Mr. Terrific, which the episode seemed to be setting up with Felicity moving on to philanthropy and Curtis acclimating himself to the work Team Arrow do. Though obviously he said at the end that the kind of life the group leads isn't for him, but I can see that changing :cool:.

    Man, Green Arrow got his butt kicked this episode. First he gets infected by Bug-Eyed Bandit's bees, then he gets beat up by the beeman, and then Brie shoots him. Not a good day to be Ollie, both on the Superhero front and the relationship front, though at least he seems to be dealing with his relationship with Felicity being over much better now :sweat:.

    Laurel comforting/inspiring Oliver and seeing them talking in a friendly way was really nice to see, especially given their history. Often on the show they seem to be at odds with one another over something or how they're treating each other, but here their interaction felt like really old friends being there for one another, which was nice. I almost started to think it might be teasing Green ArrowxBlack Canary finally happening or a progression towards it, but with this show, who knows? Laurel putting her hand on Oliver's face felt kinda romantic though...

    I guess the fact that she has a tumor to worry about and is now currently in a coma means we won't be seeing Bug-Eyed Bandit again anytime soon. Which is probably a good thing for Felicity given Brie figured out by the end that Felicity was the computer specialist who helped stop her in "All-Star Team-Up."

    So HIVE's ace in the hole is...Andy!? That's not going to end well for anyone, but I've gotta feel sorry for Diggle. Especially after everything he went through to try and get his brother back :(.
     
  11. Rick Jones

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    I thought the episode was cheesy fun for the moment. Moments like seeing the "Bee Man" form (cool design too) or seeing Curtis do that flip over everything when the Bee was after him had me entertained. I'm so tired of this Olicity drama though. I was hoping against it happening in the first place and I wish it hadn't helped to change the atmosphere of the show so much.

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  12. hobbyfan

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    Whose idea was it to put so many daytime soap elements into this show? Hmmmm? I noted before that Team Berlanti is competing against itself in this hour (Mysteries of Laura), but that's no excuse for such bad ideas.

    And Brie being the Bug-Eyed Bandit is so wrong, since IIRC, the Bandit actually had bug's eyes for his gimmick in the books. Couldn't they come up with a better villain name for Brie?

    So Curtis ends up being comedy relief, after a sort. He channels his inner fanboy so awkwardly it wasn't funny. I think it's going to be him that gets Ollie & Felicity back together in the long term. Just a guess.
     
  13. Frontier

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    Maybe it's because Curtis is basically Felicity without all the current baggage and hypocrisy as a result of the Olicity relationship drama that I'm completely for him taking over for her on Team Arrow :p.

    Well, haven't Superheroes always been a soap opera in their own way? It's not like it's new to just Arrow :sweat:.
     
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    Superhero soaps began at Marvel. Unfortunately, when it comes to television, it just doesn't fit.
     
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    Good for him. I liked him since Ben & Kate and it will be interesting to see him as part of a show that makes it past one season.

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    Bug-Eyed-Bandit IMO has been one the better villains used on FLASH and ARROW.
    I enjoy Emily Kinney playing the role.
    Although since she likes and uses only Bees so far, perhaps they should
    have called her "Queen Bee" instead.
    Hopefully in her next apperance she will expand her insects options.
     
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    "Eleven-Fifty-Nine" April 6, 2016

    Prison break! Tonight at 8 p.m. ET on The CW.

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    Oliver Queen and Diggle learn that Malcolm Merlyn is going to try to break Darhk out of prison.
     
  19. Frontier

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    So...I guess Merlyn now has a robot hand? You'd think that would've been addressed at some point. At least it seems like he's back to top physical form after Oliver easily defeated and de-handed him in their last duel o_O.

    I was really unsure of Andy and where they were going with him throughout the entire episode, and I was with Oliver in seeing just how convenient and "perfect" Andy's tips and actions were, but I was prepared for it all to be a misdirect. Though, in the end, Oliver's instincts proved right :ack:.

    Poor Diggle though, especially after everything he's gone through to get his brother back and redeem him, even vehemently defending him from his other brother, only for Andy to completely betray the team and contribute to Laurel's death. That's gotta hurt hard. And I might never forgive Andy for jeopardizing Oliver and Diggle's friendship :mad:.

    Ollie really needs to learn to rein in his darker impulses when he's in a bad mood, so he doesn't start resorting to The Arrow's tactics again like he so often does when he's in a darker place. The Green Arrow needs to be better then that, and consistently so.

    So, after pretty much a whole season, Darhk finally figures out Oliver Queen is The Green Arrow and who the rest of Team Arrow are. All it took was a combination of seeing the look of a father in GA's eyes when he went to save William, one of the only things Ollie and Darhk have in common, and learning Diggle was Spartan :eek:.

    I wasn't necessarily spoiled on the death, even though I had my suspicions, but the main subplot of Laurel trying to figure out whether to become DA or keep being Black Canary, and all the scenes of her and Oliver together, really started to raise a lot of death flags. But seeing her, motionless, getting stabbed by Darhk with one of GA's own arrows...that was terrible. She deserved better then that, especially after everything she's went through and all she's done to become the Black Canary :sad:.

    While I did get invested in the emotions of the cast and the characters during Laurel's hospital scene and death, especially with Oliver and Lance, I still can't help but see this death as a waste. I realize Laurel, past reviving Sara, getting along with Quentin again, and settling things with Ollie, didn't have much in the way of a major storyline or subplot all to her own this season, but it still feels like there's a ton of untapped potential and possibilities with the character being left in the dust because of this. Which is especially jarring for someone based on such an iconic and major DC character and female Superhero, as well as a major cast member. And with the way she and Oliver had been interacting in the past few episodes, I was starting to think the writers had found a good starting point for naturally and organically finally building up to GA/BC, but so much for that :(.

    Can Felicity not be the love of Oliver's life? I mean, at this point, with all the drama and with how she's acted towards him...I think both would be better off just, finally, maintaining a platonic relationship. I don't want to see Olicity as the endgame after this. I don't have much hope we're done with Olicity, especially with Black Canary apparently dead, but I sincerely hope we are. I don't think the third/fourth time will be the charm for this couple :rolleyes:.

    I guess we have the setup for season 5's flashback arc, since something is likely going to happen to Taiana and Oliver will then go to Russia to find her family, likely reconnecting with Anatoli in the process :).

    So I guess it's going to be on public record that Laurel Lance was the Black Canary? Be interesting to see the fallout of that...
     
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    Pretty obvious to me that Laurel's death was faked.

    Hmmmm. Wait a minute, a character in Arrow is suddenly killed off or dismissed? I guess that means they're doing the Black Canary in the cinematic DCU.
     

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