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2016 Presidential Election thread (Primary/Caucus Phase)

Discussion in 'Cafe toonzone' started by wonderfly, Jan 7, 2016.

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Which candidate for President do you most favor?

  1. Donald Trump

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%
  2. Ted Cruz

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  3. Marco Rubio

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%
  4. John Kasich

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Ben Carson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Hillary Clinton

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%
  7. Bernie Sanders

    19 vote(s)
    55.9%
  8. None

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  9. Other

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
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  1. I.R. Shokew

    I.R. Shokew DISGRACED and Rooting ONLY for Underdogs

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    All a catalyst for civil war in my nation - and for all the least productive of reasons for such unrest and revolt. I can think of better reasons for a rebellion of sorts to happen here. This ain't it, as much as I dislike Trump more than Clinton, to be specific. This AIN'T it at all.
     
  2. stephane dumas

    stephane dumas Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but is sticks and pitchforks is enough? There's others weapons than some want to see controlled that we have to use it like it or not.
    And let's keep an eye on Venezuela to see how the current situation turns and it won't be too hot for our backs and to check if some big fat cats manipulate things behind the curtain.
    (Slightly off-topic, here an editorial toon about Venezuela)
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    And speaking of catalyst for brewing civil war. I checked that old thread about John Titor, the pretended time-traveler http://www.toonzone.net/forums/threads/john-titor.4155471/ who predicted Civl War 2 around 2004-08. I guess Civil War 2 had been delayed... until when?

    Edit: Could these protests might result a different effect? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-03/violent-california-protesters-play-right-donald-trumps-hand
     
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  3. Red Arrow :D

    Red Arrow :D Proud Beneluxer

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    Don't these people realize this will only make Trump even more popular?

    Yep, we're screwed. I really hope Trump won't start throwing bombs at the Islamic countries of Europe :sweat:
    But since Trump seems to like Putin, he might as well throw bombs at the other European countries, too.
     
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  4. stephane dumas

    stephane dumas Well-Known Member

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    Is it a sign of a bad omen for Hillary? Her podium had collapsed at a California rally 2 days ago. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/738808741966012416 As it wasn't enough, an upcoming book about the Clintons will be released at the end of June. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-secret-service-book-exposes-clintons-dirty-l

    Edit: There's a bit more about Hillary's upcoming book and it'll hard to contain that upcoming storm.
    http://pagesix.com/2016/06/05/tell-...ratic-uncontrollable-ways-in-the-white-house/
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-Hillary-Clinton-set-publish-tell-book.html
     
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  5. PinkiePie97

    PinkiePie97 Well-Known Member

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    AP says Hillary has enough delegates to win the nomination.
    http://bigstory.ap.org/779b7012af24446289623a968926ec04

    Thing is, I'm not buying it. Shouldn't this have been determined days ago? I feel like they're just saying this so people don't vote for Bernie. Given the media bias against him, I wouldn't be surprised. They're probably including superdelegates, who don't vote until the convention. They'll likely vote for Hillary, but it's too early to declare her the nominee.
     
  6. Action!

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    Maybe they ware underestimating it. Tommorow is "Super Tuesday 5" maybe they are just getting a little overdone.
     
  7. wonderfly

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    Today is the last day of the primaries! California is the biggest prize on the block, today.

    From that article:

    "The primary season started in cold, snowy Iowa and New Hampshire, and it essentially ends in sunny California.1 Today, six caucuses and primaries take place — the final super Tuesday of the year before the general election.

    Although The Associated Press declared Hillary Clinton the presumptive Democratic nominee Monday night, based on her winning a majority of pledged delegates and superdelegates combined, Clinton will almost certainly clinch a majority of pledged delegates tonight. That’s important because it will indicate that she wasn’t just the choice of superdelegates; she also won millions more votes than Bernie Sanders. Clinton has 1,811 pledged delegates,2 just 215 short of the 2,026 necessary to reach a majority. She needs to win only 31 percent of the delegates up for grabs today to cross that threshold. Here’s a state-by-state look at Clinton’s and Sanders’s prospects."


    It does seem kind of fishy that the AP declared Hillary the winner yesterday, but just going by votes cast alone - if Clinton won millions more votes than Sanders, then...I don't know how much of a "contested" convention it will be, for the Democrats.
     
  8. stephane dumas

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    Millions more votes, I guess she called lots of dead people to vote for her. ;)

    Zerohedge posted a interesting blog rant about this. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...y-anonymous-super-delegates-declare-winner-th

    Btw, the Drudge Report have some good sense of humor to celebrate Hillary's victory. http://archive.is/7jekP

    Edit: The founder of Wikileaks, Julian Assange warn about a link between Google and Hillary. Yes, the link send us to Infowars but it's also mentionned on the Belfast Telegraph and RT.
     
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  9. MDawg

    MDawg Nerfariously planning

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    MDawg Nerfariously planning

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    I've been snookered! That's what I get for posting when I'm not paying attention to things.
     
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    It had me fooled too at first.
     
  13. wonderfly

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    Okay, but I'm just curious:

    Now that Hillary's been declared the winner, do you Bernie Sanders supporters REALLY want him to run 3rd party?

    3rd party candidates just hurt either the Democrat or the Republican running. In 2000, it was Ralph Nader that killed Al Gore's chances of winning the Presidency. In 1992, it was Ross Perot that hurt George H. Bush's chance for re-election that year.

    EDIT:
    This article just went up in the last hour, encouraging Bernie to run 3rd party.

    MORE THOUGHTS:
    Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders (and to a lesser extent, Ted Cruz) all had the mantle of "Agents of Change". All 3 have really shaken up the 2 major political parties, with both establishment in the parties fighting back against these changes. But in a surprising turn of events, Donald Trump emerged victorious among the Republicans, while Bernie has been eliminated among the Democrats. It'd be different if "establishment candidates" won on both sides, or if the "Agents of Change" candidates had won on both sides, but here we have the Republican establishment being overthrown, while the Democrat establishment has maintained control.

    And so I've been wondering: Which of the two political parties will be in the most upheaval following this election? Will either the Republican or Democrats have a political re-alignment? And will it be more to the center, or to the far left, or the far right?

    Just 2 or 3 weeks back, there were some Republicans friends/family that I knew (Ted Cruz supporters) saying that a Trump presidency will be so disastrous, it would be the death of the Republican party.

    I said if Donald Trump looses in November, THAT might be the end of the Republican party. It'll be a referendum that the Republicans should've embraced Ted Cruz instead, and a Tea Party resurgence might occur, casting off the old Republican order. But that might leave them "wandering in the wilderness" for years.

    But if Trump wins, the party will still be called "Republicans". It's just that the era of the "Neo-Cons" (the label of the most diehard George W. Bush supporters) will be over.

    Meanwhile, if Hillary loses in November, the Democrats are going into the wilderness. The push will be for an embrace of more "Bernie" type doctrines, and that could marginalize them for some time to come. Same effect as those pushing the Republicans to go more "Ted Cruz Tea Party".

    If Hillary wins...it'll be seen as just 4 more years of Obama. Leaving people on both sides even more frustrated. The 2020 elections 4 years from now could be even more divisive.
     
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  14. stephane dumas

    stephane dumas Well-Known Member

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    You forgot 1912 where Teddy Roosevelt decided to run and allowed Woodrow Wilson winning against W.H Taft and allowed the creation of the Federal Reserve aka to some folks as "Fedzilla", lol.

    If Bernie decide to not run 3rd party, will their supporters be ready to take the plunge and vote for Gary Johnson? Gary Johnson could pick up them.
    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016...anders-supporters-Check-us-out/3421465400852/
    http://www.businessinsider.com/libe...utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=referral
     
  15. Peter Paltridge

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    NNNNNGH....no. There is just too much at stake this time for the Democratic vote to be split.
     
  16. PinkiePie97

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    Honestly, no. While I have my issues with Hillary, it's not as much as I have with Trump. Bernie running 3rd party would hand the election over to him.
     
  17. stephane dumas

    stephane dumas Well-Known Member

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    Hard to said, another possibility is the Bernie voters will stay at home.

    I have some issues with Trump but I also have more worrying issues with Hillary, she's also warmonger as well. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-01/hillary-clinton-big-warmonger-bushcheney
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-06/hillary-clinton-clear-candidate-war-party

    Talk about being stuck between a rock and an hard place...
     
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    MDawg Nerfariously planning

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  19. wonderfly

    wonderfly Shaking things up a bit
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    stephane dumas Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if there's something fishy and there's more then meet the eyes? (As if wasn't enough, there's some upcoming documentaries focusing on Hillary who'll be released)

    Some folks on Twitter replied to how Trump reacted to the news.
    https://twitter.com/QuoththeRavenSA/status/740975788892291072

    MOD NOTE: I put your picture in spoiler tags, as it's a bit crude.


    Edit #2: Looks like the Twitter discussion I mentionned earlier, goes into a full "Twitter war".

    Edit #3: I saw this blog post who might be worth to read about Gary Johnson. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/06/could_gary_johnson_win.html I think he might be the wild card, he could steal some votes from Trump and/or some votes from Hillary Clinton.
     
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