Joss Whedon Talks Twilight/How Angel Would Kick Edward's Butt

[Shawn Hopkins]

The Buffy and Angel fans on the board need to watch this, because it is hilarious.

http://hollywoodcrush.mtv.com/2009/0...edward-cullen/

He actually claims to like the Twilight movie, or at least to like that it contains vampire romance. But, without provocation, he also offers up his take on the outcome of an Angel/Edward fight.

[Master Toon]

So Joss created Angel as a joke? Or rather a test to see how people would react?

I don't doubt that Angel would win in a fight with Edward but isn't Edward like a teenager? That's not fair. He's not some teenage Demon from the Whedonverse. (I really need to finish Twilight to be sure)

One last thing, was he saying that people who joke about Vampire romance are also joking about Angel?

[Shawn Hopkins]

Originally Posted by Master Toon

So Joss created Angel as a joke? Or rather a test to see how people would react?

I don't doubt that Angel would win in a fight with Edward but isn't Edward like a teenager? That's not fair. He's not some teenage Demon from the Whedonverse. (I really need to finish Twilight to be sure)

One last thing, was he saying that people who joke about Vampire romance are also joking about Angel?

Maybe just watch it again. You missed the point too much for me to explain it.

Edit: Oh, okay, he's saying that he was worried people wouldn't take vampire romance seriously, but the responses to Buffy and Twilight prove that they love it on some deep level.

Vampires live forever, so it doesn't matter if Edward is still looks like a teenager. According to his Wikipedia page, he's 108 years old. Liam was also a young man when he was turned into Angelus.

[Master Toon]

Originally Posted by Shawn Hopkins

Vampires live forever, so it doesn't matter if Edward is still looks like a teenager. According to his Wikipedia page, he's 108 years old. Liam was also a young man when he was turned into Angelus.

So Vampire strength doesn't depend on age? Also have you ever watched Twilight? Do the Vampires in that movie have super strength?

Sorry for going (slightly) off topic, I just don't think it's fair to determine a fight based on popularity.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Originally Posted by Master Toon

So Vampire strength doesn't depend on age? Also have you ever watched Twilight? Do the Vampires in that movie have super strength?

Sorry for going (slightly) off topic, I just don't think it's fair to determine a fight based on popularity.

Do you not get the joke? Joss Whedon is the creator of Angel, who is very, very different than the Vampires in Twilight. Of course he's going to root for his guy.

Vampires in Twilight have superstrength and superspeed, endurance and agility, according to Wikipedia, but I don't know exactly how strong they are. Buffy vamps have the same, but it was always rather inconsistently portrayed, with some vampires having no chance against the Slayer and others holding their own. For reference, then, we'll say that the strongest vampire in Buffy might be at least as strong as Buffy, although Angel has admitted she's a little stronger than he. Buffy is very strong, she once held a massive iron gate to keep it from closing (with effort) and bent a gun barrel in her hands, but she's not strong enough to lift a car over her head or anything. So Angel is slightly less strong than someone who can do the things Buffy can do. And Buffy vampire strength does depend somewhat on age, as very old vampires, such as the ancient Greek Kakistos, start taking on more and more demonic qualities and strength. New vampires, relatively, are pretty easy to take out.

Angel, however, is definitely one of the smartest vampires and he has 200 years of experience with killing, at first killing humans and then later killing all manner of monsters. Edward is a lame "vegetarian" who doesn't kill very much.

So, of course Angel would probably win in a fight. It might be more even, however, than some people would think because Angel has traditional vampire weaknesses that Edward does not have. Sun, stakes and holy water can hurt or kill Angel. The only way to kill Edward would be to rip him to pieces and burn the pieces. Of course, with Angel's craftiness and arsenal of axes and other weapons, that could probably be arranged.

[Tobias]

Popularity or not, Angel would still win the fight. Besides vampire strength, he knows how to fight with pretty much any weapon (broadswords, axes, he's even got those neat stake implants in his coat sleeves).

And if that's not enough, he's got the murderous Angelus personality. If Angel can't handle the Twilight vampires, just give him a moment of pure happiness and let Angelus stomp a mudhole in Edward's pretty boy behind.

[Master Toon]

Originally Posted by Shawn Hopkins

Do you not get the joke? Joss Whedon is the creator of Angel, who is very, very different than the Vampires in Twilight. Of course he's going to root for his guy.

I wasn't even thinking about him. I was thinking of the thousands of people who would agree simply because they like Buffy and hate Twilight.

And if that's not enough, he's got the murderous Angelus personality. If Angel can't handle the Twilight vampires, just give him a moment of pure happiness and let Angelus stomp a mudhole in Edward's pretty boy behind.

I pretty know that for a fact but if Edward is so weak and lame why would Angel even have to go that far?

[Shawn Hopkins]

Yeah, I don't think he'd have to go Angelus to survive. It really depends on how resistant Twilight vampires are to injury. If Edward's limbs can be severed by an axe, then he's really no more dangerous than many of the demons Angel kills routinely. Maybe someone who knows more about Twilight can enlighten us, I looked for info online but Twilight fans don't seem to be as interested in posting "rumbles" threads as other geeks are, so it's hard to find a list of feats and powers.

Edit: Okay, I looked on CBR and apparently Twilight vampires have supertough skin and other uber powers. The supertough skin is based on exactly one reference in the books where a vamp can't stick a needle into a half-vampire baby in the womb (Twilight feats are hard to figure out). That changes things, but I will still argue Angel will find a way because he's smarter and not such a wuss.

Another edit:

If you can kill Edward by cutting him up and burning the pieces, what's to stop Angel from burning him whole? There may be some reason for it in the books, just a thought.

[Undrave]

Why go to the trouble of hacking him to little pieces? Why not just skip to the burning part?

[Mynd Hed]

This is silly. We all know who would win in an all-out vampire brawl.

Spoiler:

[GregX]

Does anyone else find it hilarious that in the current Buffy Season Eight comics, Joss has Buffy battling a new Big Bad called Twilight?

Knowing Joss, it has to be intentional.

[Lightning Tiger]

Originally Posted by Mynd Hed

This is silly. We all know who would win in an all-out vampire brawl.

Spoiler:

That's not even fair, hes beyond overpowered, he has the power to summon everyone hes ever fed on all at once to fight for him, and all the other stuff he can do.

[Rolling Cloud]

Originally Posted by hehey

That's not even fair, hes beyond overpowered, he has the power to summon everyone hes ever fed on all at once to fight for him, and all the other stuff he can do.

That... was the joke.

[Michael24]

I never cared for Angel, but I'd love to see him kick that little pretty boy Edward's butt.

But Valek from John Carpenter's Vampires would easily lay waste to all of them.

[AdamYJ]

Dracula could take them all on and win.

Why? Because he's freakin' Dracula.

In Bram Stoker's novel, he practically had more supernatural powers than the Devil himself. Plus, you don't mess with old-school.

[Mynd Hed]

If 1Up's Listen Up podcast is to be believed, in Scribblenauts, vampires beat God.

Just throwing that out there.

[Hobbes829]

Angel wouldn't have to turn into Angelus. He's stronger as Angel. Yes, Angelus is probably more crafty, but Angel has more heart (the fact that it doesn't beat is irrelevant) and intestinal fortitude