Danny Phantom "Masters of all time" talkback.

[I.R Joey]

Time to Go ghost.

Danny Phantom's all new tonight.

This time....

Danny goes back in time to prevent the accident that will create his greatest antagonist. But in doing so will he create an even greater foe?
Oh yeah and Clockwork is back yipee!!!

I love weekends like this where several of my favorites have new episodes, DP, Avatar, Foster's, The Buzz on Maggie I'll be very happy this weekend.
Get back here when it's over and give your opinion.

[Neo Yi]

You can see I'm naturally excited about this epsiode like no tomorrow.

[RonDrakenfan17]

I'm excited for this episode too. I'll be giving my review for the episode right as soon as I see it. This was an episode that I've been waiting for along time

[Ultra Mike]

So... did anyone else see the ep? Cause I was expecting this to be flooded with replies after being so anticipated.

But did the Episode live up to it's hype? Pretty much. Defintley better then last week's "King Tuck". The only real complaint I have is they never specifically stated why Vlad was breaking out with Ecno Acne again. (Was it because he had some diet cola and that retriggered the process or something). Otherwise it was still pretty good. Liked how despite being turned half ghost and abanodened Jack still pined for Maddie. And how Maddie only married Vlad cause he said Jack didn't care for her anymore after he left. What's up with the heart shaped ghost portal though? And did alternate Jack and Vlad suffer they're untimley end or not? Oh and interesting note: I think this is the first offical time Plasimus interacted with Sam and Tucker. Just wanted to toss that bit of trivia out there.

[RonDrakenfan17]

I haven't seen the episode yet, I'm in another time zone

[Neo Yi]

I've been expecting this episode for some time now and was generally so excited for it. Now having watched it, I return with.........mixed feelings.

Let's start off with the good, namely the first half. The plot solidly and steadily flowed through in a nice manner, something which the last two episodes had a trouble time doing. Nothing felt crowded, the characters acted their usual manners (gotta love Maddie/Jack 80's look), and we even get Plasimus coming in a rather nice, dramatic entrance. Danny meeting Jack Plasimus and his somewhat battle with him was fashionable done well enough.

That said, the moment Danny entered into Vlad's mansion, things turned in a way I did not expected (and enjoy). The plot was rushed (especially the ending) and the potential they could have ultilizied was absolutely wasted, but instead we get Vlad still being evil in the end and Jack looking good in the eyes of both Maddie and Danny.

I mean, it works in a sense that both Jack and Vlad's reactions to their half ghost transformation wouldn't be the same. Jack doesn't seem the type to rebel in a more antagonistic manner like Vlad, but here I ALWAYS thought Vlad's triggered "evil" was BECAUSE of the portal. I was led to believe and the show seem to imply Vlad was generally a good guy before then. He got Maddie and lived a nice life in the alternate timeline; why on earth would he stoop low to lie to Maddie on Jack's feelings for her? Wouldn't he be a little less cautious? And why would he not let Maddie ghost hunting? Is it because of Jack himself being part ghost because other then that, he had no problems with it. His face not being blasted in that alternate time period did not alter his appearance in anyway to ruin his chances with Maddie or his social life.
And why on earth is Vlad still rich? I thought he gained that way through his ghost powers? Maybe it's due to his personality, he always was a determined, ambitious man.

And here's the biggie. I was expecting this episode to develop the Danny/Vlad manner. Yes, I admit, I am a fan of seeing more bizzare father/son relationship between Danny and Vlad (not that I have anything against Jack which I don't) and I thought I'd actually see some development. Even if I wasn't, I'd have love to see this sort of interaction. I'm aware with Maddie marrying a different man that if they had kids, the outcome would be different, but that definitly hasn't stopped cartoons from using such a plot. In the beginning of the episode, Vlad said to Danny he would be "embarassed as long as he was Jack Fenton's son". I took that as a sign that Danny in the alternate timeline later in the episode would have a different experience with Vlad as his father. I thought it was some sort of unaware foreshadowing. This I thought was a waste of potential character development. They could have done SO much with this alone. Especially since Danny's views on Vlad in The Ultimate Enemy which I am still upset they have ignored this.

The animation in general was decent, but during the last scenes, the animators made a terrible boo-boo and made Jack his 1980's look whenever he didn't go ghost. It wasn't one of those "see it or miss it" mistakes, but full blown rightly shoved in my face. They couldn't figure it out for the past 5 minutes or so of animating Jack Fenton? Geez.

That said, the only good thing I can really come up with is the solid first half, the 80's diner dance in the end (love 80's Danny's outfit), some other funny bits (Dairy King Vlad, tee hee) I can't really think off, and of course, David Carradine as Clockwork. David Carradine = awesome. I cannot imagine anyone else as Clockwork. And I loved how he was portrayed here, especially his smile at the end after refixing time, proving once again, Clockwork knows everything.

But even that, this was a somewhat solid episode that wasted a lot of potential and felt generally swallow.

[RonDrakenfan17]

I just saw it, and that was the best episode ever so far
I loved it so much, the parts I loved;

. Danny in 80's Outfit

. The Animation

. Danny in 80's Outfit

. Vlad V.S Danny

. Jack V.S Danny

. All of the funny lines

I'll have to watch it agian, but over all I loved it, I give it a 10/10

[I.R Joey]

Nick and their dumb scheduling practices made our recorder mess up. I ended up coming in well into the episode (did same thing with tonights Avatar the Last Airbender). Oh well on to the review.

I liked it, plain and simple. Everyone was in charecter, the dialoge was pretty spot on, and unlike the last two episodes we've had the precence of one of the shows best villans. So on to the things I liked.

+Vlad being manipulative and wicked like he's suppouse to be. His infecting Sam and Tucker really made me jump for a second. Didn't see that coming at all. They really took an unexpected, but very well done, turn with his alternate version. Like other people I thought it was the accident that turned him evil but I'm so happy they didn't go the cliche route of having him be a good guy in that timeline. It proves once and for all that he would have been a jerk whether he married Maddie or not. I'm not sure if this totally satisfys my desire for more backstory on him, but it's a very good charecter study.

+Jumping off of my last point, I think this episode really did deal with the issues of charecterization in an interesting way. It shows that all three of these people would have had similar personalities no matter how the cards had fallen. Jack would still be incompitent, Vlad would still be a creep, and Maddie would still be a kick butt ghost hunter.

+ Jack naming his cat Jasmine was just funny.

+We got our first real interaction between Vlad and Danny's two friends. Sure they were all together in Reign Storm, but they didn't really have any personal interaction. That's changed.

+Clockworks apperance wasn't as grandiose as it was in TUE, but he was still used effectivley. He's there to teach Danny how to be responsible, and he fufilled that role more or less as he was suppouse to.

+The 80's jokes were very much appreciated, it's always okay to laugh at the 80's . I especially loved how Danny refered to it as "culture" and how he fit in perfectly.

+Son from an alternate timelines are always a good excuse in these types of stories. Way to go Danny, way to go for being up on comic book cliches!!!

Now for the things I didn't like (mostly plot holes)

-I'm a bit confused as to how this ghost powers thing is suppouse to work. Jack and Vlad get ecto acne (I can't say that with a straight face) and they get powers, Tucker and Sam get blasted and they almost die. How does that work? Does it have something to do with the ghost portal itself (thus explaning Danny's two times in the ghost portal as well?) Come to think of it what caused Vlad's illness in the first place?

-Like some other people I'm a bit disapointed with how Vlad's apperance in TUE has been disegarded. I mean if anything shouldn't Danny have seen that Vlad is not above redemption? Yet neither this or Secret Weapons has given any indication to Danny having a change of heart.

-How did Danny figure out the way to Clockwork's place? He got there by accident last time didn't he?

-This is a minor one but I don't know how the writers missed the opportunity to make a "Back to the future" refrence in this episode. I mean you have the 1980's, time travel, cheesy teen romance movie cliches it's all there. Add to it the fact that Mr. Kaufman played a part in the animated version and you think it would be an obvious joke. Oh well.

Other things I noticed.

*There was a spot at the end of the episode where Sam was thinking that she was about to die. She told Jazz to tell Danny something. I'm suprised more people didn't pick up on that. The writers slipped that little "shipper" refrence in there very subtly. Very interesting, I've always loved how they keep that romantic undercurrent going.

*Maddie seems to be totally over Vlad hitting on her, she doesn't even suspect him anymore.

So I'm giving this episod a B. It didn't follow up on TUE as much as I would have liked, but it still met most of my expectations. Very cool.

[Neo Yi]

+Vlad being manipulative and wicked like he's suppouse to be. His infecting Sam and Tucker really made me jump for a second. Didn't see that coming at all. They really took an unexpected, but very well done, turn with his alternate version. Like other people I thought it was the accident that turned him evil but I'm so happy they didn't go the cliche route of having him be a good guy in that timeline. It proves once and for all that he would have been a jerk whether he married Maddie or not. I'm not sure if this totally satisfys my desire for more backstory on him, but it's a very good charecter study.

I was actually disappointed by this fact. It does in a way, make sense Vlad could have still be who he is even in an alternative timeline, but the fact that the show didn't even remotely bothered to explore Vlad's more "good" side so to speak peeves me off, especially SINCE Danny witnessed him in the TUE event. The episode felt like they were pushing Vlad's "evilness" to me more then it really should have? Are they trying to get viewers to think Vlad is beyond redemptation? I would have absolutely love to see what the world have been like should Vlad have remained a good guy and Jack as the main villain, if not to explore their side of what they are opposite in the true timeline.
I'd always assumed Vlad was a good guy before his portal explosion and to see him act upon in that manner even when he's not left me feeling disappointed.

Like some other people I'm a bit disapointed with how Vlad's apperance in TUE has been disegarded. I mean if anything shouldn't Danny have seen that Vlad is not above redemption? Yet neither this or Secret Weapons has given any indication to Danny having a change of heart.

Exactly. I thought after TUE, we'd at least see some changes on how Danny views Vlad. This would have made EXCELLENT character development, especially in this episode, but they wasted that oppurtunity.

This is a minor one but I don't know how the writers missed the opportunity to make a "Back to the future" refrence in this episode. I mean you have the 1980's, time travel, cheesy teen romance movie cliches it's all there. Add to it the fact that Mr. Kaufman played a part in the animated version and you think it would be an obvious joke. Oh well.

THAT would have been muy awesome.

[Tash]

Originally Posted by I.R Joey

-I'm a bit confused as to how this ghost powers thing is suppouse to work. Jack and Vlad get ecto acne (I can't say that with a straight face) and they get powers, Tucker and Sam get blasted and they almost die. How does that work? Does it have something to do with the ghost portal itself (thus explaning Danny's two times in the ghost portal as well?) Come to think of it what caused Vlad's illness in the first place?

Vlad (and Jack) got their powers from the portal. Because there was Diet Soda in the portal, it also gave them ectoacne. The two events weren't connected, they just both happened at once.

[Ultra Mike]

How did Danny figure out the way to Clockwork's place? He got there by accident last time didn't he?

As noted in other episodes, Danny (with help with Sam and Tucker) are mapping out the ghost zone areas as they discover them. Thus I'm sure between "The Ultimate Enemey" and now "Masters Of All Time" Danny found a way to Clockwork's Area. I would kind of think it would be a top priority to find the guy who controls time in case you get in situations like that one.

This is a minor one but I don't know how the writers missed the opportunity to make a "Back to the future" refrence in this episode. I mean you have the 1980's, time travel, cheesy teen romance movie cliches it's all there. Add to it the fact that Mr. Kaufman played a part in the animated version and you think it would be an obvious joke. Oh well.

The Back To The Future joke was already done in Fairly Oddparents "The Secret Origin Of Denzel Crocker". And since that episode already ripped of the breakdancing joke from the FOP ep, maybe they decided not to rip off any other jokes.

There was a spot at the end of the episode where Sam was thinking that she was about to die. She told Jazz to tell Danny something. I'm suprised more people didn't pick up on that. The writers slipped that little "shipper" refrence in there very subtly. Very interesting, I've always loved how they keep that romantic undercurrent going.

I didn't find that interesting at all. That's one of the most basic of romance cartoon cliches. The "I'm about to go so I start to tell my true feelings... oh wait never mind I'm saved I don't have to anymore" scene. It would be interesting if she actually TOLD Jazz her feelings privatley or what not, but didn't so no.

[I.R Joey]

Originally Posted by Ultra Mike

I didn't find that interesting at all. That's one of the most basic of romance cartoon cliches. The "I'm about to go so I start to tell my true feelings... oh wait never mind I'm saved I don't have to anymore" scene. It would be interesting if she actually TOLD Jazz her feelings privatley or what not, but didn't so no.

That would have been pretty good too. But what I liked about that little scene was that it was so quick. Most of the time when dealing with the Sam and Danny stuff the writers of the show use much of an episode or an entire episode to deal with it. Fanning the Flames, Flirting with Disaster, and Memory Blank come to mind. This wasn't particularly a "shipper" episode, but they managed to sneak a bit in. I thought that was nice.