The end of X-Men Evolution

Cyclops1 · #1 10-29-2005, 09:42 AM

Did you notice that Scott's future uniform is nearly the same as in TAS.And when Professor Xavier says that the dearest of friends change into enemies,Jean converts into an eagle of fire.Reading the summaries of TAS I have come to know that Phoenix gets out of Jean in the shape of an eagle of fire.What does this mean?(sorry if this question is stupid or the thing has been discussed already)

Azrael24 · #2 10-29-2005, 04:57 PM

well, its not an eagle, its a phoenix. a phoenix is a magical fire bird. in xmen, the phoenix is an extremely powerful force that is like the mythical fire phoenix.

as for scott, i dont know. i wish they couldve had the chance to clear all that up with another season, maybe even two.

Sandoz · #3 10-29-2005, 11:13 PM

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What does this mean?

To make a long (and very complicated) story short, Jean is the host of the cosmic Phoenix Force. As the Phoenix, Jean is inarguably the world's most powerful mutant.

In the X-Men comic books, there was a classic story written in the late 70s called "The Dark Phoenix Saga." In it, Mastermind uses his power to manipulate Phoenix/Jean, inadvertantly releasing her dark side. Corrupted by her unlimited power, Jean becomes the evil Dark Phoenix; she turns against the X-Men and actually kills billions of people when she consumes an inhabited galaxy's sun. The "good" Jean regains control of herself with the help of Professor X, but she commits suicide in order to ensure that she never becomes Dark Phoenix again. Several years later, Jean was resurrected; it was fitting, since a mythical Phoenix dies only to be reborn from the ashes.

The original X-Men: TAS adapted this story, but altered it slightly to make it more acceptable for a young audience; Dark Phoenix does not commit genocide, and Jean is de-powered rather than killed.

Had X-Men: Evolution been given a fifth season, Jean would have become Phoenix. I believe that the Evo writers once said that the plan was for Jean to become Dark Phoenix and be that season's Big Villain, thus explaining Professor X's vision and the line about friends becoming enemies.

Cyclops1 · #4 10-30-2005, 01:14 AM

I didn't know about the Phoenix.But wouldn't it have been better to continue the evo for about 1 or 2 seasons more?

blue21252125 · #5 10-30-2005, 03:45 AM

Yeah it would have been geat if they continued evolution but it is stated that the show was getting out of control, u know, they didn't knew the characters they were making were for which age group and it was obtaining an adult tone though the show's main aim was on children from 9-11 but it excceeded that limit

Steve G · #6 10-30-2005, 10:15 AM

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Yeah it would have been geat if they continued evolution but it is stated that the show was getting out of control, u know, they didn't knew the characters they were making were for which age group and it was obtaining an adult tone though the show's main aim was on children from 9-11 but it excceeded that limit

Really? Who stated this? None of these reasons are why the show was cancelled.

ShadowDemon · #7 10-30-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandoz

The original X-Men: TAS adapted this story, but altered it slightly to make it more acceptable for a young audience; Dark Phoenix does not commit genocide, and Jean is de-powered rather than killed.

But she DID destroy a Shi'Ar cruiser (and presumedly it's crew). Also, she DID commit suicide, just like in the comic, but was immediately ressurected by the Phoenix Force using the life energies of the other X-Men.

ShadowDemon · #8 10-30-2005, 07:47 PM

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Really? Who stated this? None of these reasons are why the show was cancelled.

AFAIK, the show was cancelled because it hit the 4 season mark and had enough eps to syndicate. I'd heard rumors that there were behind the scenes problems too, but no one ever really said what they were...you have any insight on that?

Mini Wolfsbane · #9 10-30-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowDemon

AFAIK, the show was cancelled because it hit the 4 season mark and had enough eps to syndicate. I'd heard rumors that there were behind the scenes problems too, but no one ever really said what they were.

Just putting in my own two cents here.

Last time he was here,Boyd said one of the reasons it was cancelled was because the toyline didn't sell well,but I think because it hit the 52 episode mark was a reason as well.

ShadowDemon · #10 10-30-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mini Wolfsbane

Just putting in my own two cents here.

Last time he was here,Boyd said one of the reasons it was cancelled was because the toyline didn't sell well,but I think because it hit the 52 episode mark was a reason as well.

Not to go too OT, but are ANY toylines selling these days? I thought the era of tying shows to toylines was long over...

Steve G · #11 10-30-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mini Wolfsbane

Just putting in my own two cents here.

Last time he was here,Boyd said one of the reasons it was cancelled was because the toyline didn't sell well,but I think because it hit the 52 episode mark was a reason as well.

Bingo! Boyd knows...

Mini Wolfsbane · #12 10-31-2005, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowDemon

Not to go too OT, but are ANY toylines selling these days? I thought the era of tying shows to toylines was long over...

Nah,it's long from over.Every time I turn around,there's a commercial for Teen Titans figures or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.Also the new Kid's Next Door figures are out.(Can't think of why they bothered with those,though.)

I just wish that they hadn't come out with so many Wolverine figures.
Kitty or Jean would've made a great figure!(That goes for the other characters they didn't make,too,but the over-kill of male figures is pretty annoying looking back on it.)
I mean,why bother with a figure of Storm when we barely saw her in the show anyways ?

Binker · #13 10-31-2005, 02:45 AM

This is why Evo needs to come back.

WHY ISN'T IT BACK?!?!?!

WHY?!?!?!

Boyd Kirkland · #14 10-31-2005, 11:55 AM

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This is why Evo needs to come back.

WHY ISN'T IT BACK?!?!?!

WHY?!?!?!

As already stated earlier in this thread, the usual reason any show lives or dies is whether it is generating money for whomever is paying the bills. These days, with audience sizes shrinking and costs of production increasing, companies are forced to depend upon merchandizing and other forms of distribution (such as dvd's, syndication, etc.) to justify the expense of making the show. If the merchandize isn't selling, even though the show may be getting high ratings, they must decide whether to continue production in the hope of getting a return on their investment in the long term from these other sources. Unfortunately, most companies these days are focused mostly on short-term profits to satisfy stock investors and to minimize risk.

X-Men: Evolution was a great ride while it lasted. Yes, we had some tentative plans for a fifth season with a story arc about Jean. We had some great ideas for stories we wanted to tell. Unfortunately, it was not to be. But it's still very gratifying to see that there were so many of you out there who were enjoying what we were doing!

The_Magick_Hat · #15 10-31-2005, 09:08 PM

I really would have liked to have had the opportunity to see an Evo version of the Dark Phoenix story. But alas...

I'd settle for seasons 3 and 4 on DVD at some point, but I know I'm not the first to say that. Probably won't be the last, either.

Nuage · #16 11-02-2005, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Boyd Kirkland

As already stated earlier in this thread, the usual reason any show lives or dies is whether it is generating money for whomever is paying the bills. These days, with audience sizes shrinking and costs of production increasing, companies are forced to depend upon merchandizing and other forms of distribution (such as dvd's, syndication, etc.) to justify the expense of making the show. If the merchandize isn't selling, even though the show may be getting high ratings, they must decide whether to continue production in the hope of getting a return on their investment in the long term from these other sources. Unfortunately, most companies these days are focused mostly on short-term profits to satisfy stock investors and to minimize risk.

X-Men: Evolution was a great ride while it lasted. Yes, we had some tentative plans for a fifth season with a story arc about Jean. We had some great ideas for stories we wanted to tell. Unfortunately, it was not to be. But it's still very gratifying to see that there were so many of you out there who were enjoying what we were doing!

Thanx for the explanation.. So does this mean X-Men Evolution will never be back? Too bad

blue21252125 · #17 11-02-2005, 11:05 AM

I Think It Is Not End Cause In Ultimate Avengers It Is The Same Cast Of X Evo Making This Ultimate Think, They May Add Some Special Features Concering Evo, Ulitimate Avengers Is In Evo Style, Captain America Was Already In Evo So There U Go One X Evo Member See It Is A Part Of X-men, Who Knows They Might Be Havign A Link Between Logan And Captain America!!!!

BCVM22 · #18 11-02-2005, 11:43 PM

Wow. That was a fun read.

The fact that two animated works share a few character artists doesn't indicate any manner of connection whatsoever. Sorry.

Binker · #19 11-04-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Boyd Kirkland

As already stated earlier in this thread, the usual reason any show lives or dies is whether it is generating money for whomever is paying the bills. These days, with audience sizes shrinking and costs of production increasing, companies are forced to depend upon merchandizing and other forms of distribution (such as dvd's, syndication, etc.) to justify the expense of making the show. If the merchandize isn't selling, even though the show may be getting high ratings, they must decide whether to continue production in the hope of getting a return on their investment in the long term from these other sources. Unfortunately, most companies these days are focused mostly on short-term profits to satisfy stock investors and to minimize risk.

X-Men: Evolution was a great ride while it lasted. Yes, we had some tentative plans for a fifth season with a story arc about Jean. We had some great ideas for stories we wanted to tell. Unfortunately, it was not to be. But it's still very gratifying to see that there were so many of you out there who were enjoying what we were doing!

Ok, if you can't do more on the show, why not a DTV?

Boyd Kirkland · #20 11-04-2005, 01:59 PM

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Ok, if you can't do more on the show, why not a DTV?

That's a question you'd have to address to Marvel. There may be problems doing one because of their contract with Fox regarding the X-Men property.