General Disney Company Discussion Thread

[Uncle Beaglebub]

Originally Posted by tucsoncoyote

That's why in every sheep flock, you need Wolves who are smart, crafty, and who REALLY know what is going on. and it's these people who are like myself and BigKPFan76, who have to "Think outside the box" and who think in ways that Disney Can't comprehend. That's what scares Disney, because we're the ones who know what the REAL score inside the company is, and we're not even employees.. we're fans.. we notice trends that most of the complacent "Sheep" fans don't notice.. and usually ignore or Deny..(that's right they deny them as well.)
(the big bad wolf who thinks outside the box)

The most frustrating thing about this whole mess is a universal truth:

There are those who look, but they can't see.
There are those who hear, but they don't listen.
And there are those who think, but they do not dream.

[tucsoncoyote]

Originally Posted by Uncle Beaglebub

The most frustrating thing about this whole mess is a universal truth:

There are those who look, but they can't see.
There are those who hear, but they don't listen.
And there are those who think, but they do not dream.

How true that statement is Uncle Beaglebub, and in fact here's a good example of what Disney should be doing but isn't....

Everyone knows about the last released film that Disney cranked out less then 2 weeks ago (Around the World in 80 Days) and how well (or how Poor considering that they've made for this 140 Million dollar epic, a measley 18.2 Million), it is doing at the box office.

and just last week in a conference call to sharehoders, Disney decided to cut back on even it's live action films (which I found rather interestingly curious, as they already have killed off the better animation Part of the equation (all save except Pixar who will be leaving Disney in less then 2 years time.)

But over at Motley Fool. com, a writer wrote up just today a thing about How Disney Could make money on 10 -12 films a year (insted of the 16-18 it's currently producing.. I think this article spells it out quite clearly as to what Disney needs to really do here. It's simple as a piece of Cake and rather then using what I call "Brand Name Actors" (Like Jackie Chan) you go with unknowns, and stick to that approach.. Frankly it's a rather interesting article that folks should read..

but feel free to comment on this.

Also in the news: Disney finally has done something right.. and it's not in the films or television but of all things... pyrotechnics? That's right folks Disney Imagineers (the real brains behind the company), have figured out a way to make firework launches safer, quieter and more efficient.. which is really quite a breakthrough in a couple of decades... but surprisingly if they could do this with fireworks, why can't they do this with animation? that's a real tough act to follow..

anyway fire away (no pun intended) on this as well.

[tucsoncoyote]

Interestingly enough I found this article at www.savedisney.com and in fact this aritcle written by Michael Yee, just 2 DAYS ago shows what Disney has become..

It's gone from being the Ritz Carrolton of media companies, to that of the equivalent of McDonald's.. and to think that this was at one time the happies place on earth..

The Actual Article is found in the www.savedisney.com "Consumer" section of you can find it here in Mice Age.com

and beleive me some of this is rather downright scathing and disturbing folks.. so if any of you get motion sickness, be sure to bring along one of those air sickness bags. because this one is the coup de grace.

and as always, feel free to comment.

[tucsoncoyote]

Originally Posted by shogunthethird

Re: eisner debate

most of us would like to focus on the good things that disney has done, believe me I'd like nothing better than to stop ranting about Eisner and his board of yes-men, and I'm not the first person to express that particular opinion, that sort of thing has been going on for years, where there's freedom of speech there's people expressing their viewpoints, it's a fact of life, and in some cases people have died for that right

How tre that statement is there shogun, and in fact it's funny that I right this particular column here on July 1st.. 3 days before July 4th..

I was mulling over the fact that coming by 2005, there will be some shows of Disney that will be off the air, and in fact I also have been mulling over other things..very Disney.. You could say I'm the veritable Disney afficienado...

But moving on...

I was out browing the net last night and ran across the forums at TV Tome (and My favorite haunt is of course Kim Possible), and apparently they know about toon Zone, (I found a comment I had posted over at here over there). but what intrigued me more was a forum thread that was titled appropriately, Was Kim Possible mismarketed?

and I thought.. "This is one powderkeg set to explode.. all somone has to do is drop a lighted match Or maybe toss a Handgrenade with the pin pulled. into this mix.

Well i've got the grenades and the matches here.. Time to use them...

Anyway I read on to this person's post, and in fact it's rather intriguing.. and it's something Disney hasn't thought about in a creative way...and that is to put Kim on at a later time (rather then 5PM in the early evening..)

and I will be posting up what they said..

OK I was a Business major and aced all of my marketing courses. So, any market major out there, get ready.

The show was pitch to Disney Channel in mid-to-late 2001 or early 2002, to tell you the truth I don't know when exactly Bob and Mark pitched the show. Anyways, Disney Channel was going through a make-over at the time.

If you remember Disney Channel used to have a block of programming called, "Vault Disney," that presented classic Disney programming. That block ended in Summer of 2002. Disney Channel was going to focus on the tween (7-13 year old) girl segment. Kim Possible was suppose to be Disney Channel's complete plunge into that segment.

The problem is that when it premiered on that channel on June 7, 2002, it appealed to more than the tween girl segment. I've seen KP fans of all shapes and sizes. People in their late teens and even twenties watch the show. Boys watched the show. Parents love the show, (if you exclude Sweden.) The show has a much wider appeal than what Disney had intended. This miscalculation probably cost Disney money, due to its lack of marketing.

Now I'm gonna stop right here and state that what the writer of this article states is very true.. Kim Possible is a Plus, a Major Strength in disney's arsenal, and she's very marketable and likeable by not only the targe age group but by others (even adults!) and that's a very true statement.. Disney has a Literal Gold Mine, and they aren't exploiting it.. the writer of the article goes on..

What has brought this show a following was the show's writing, well-developed characters with villains, the directing (Bailey, Loter, and Block), and of course, Stephen Silver's great character design and style. The show is funny and mind-tickling at the same time.
Personally, the show's time for new episodes is a huge mistake, the show is nowhere near the Prime-time block(7-11pm) at 5pm. The show could have a bigger audience for new episodes at a later time.

and again I stopped and thought.. "You know.. He's right.. If Kim Possible was on at say where the 8 PM movie was on Disney channel, this whole thing would be making money hand over foot and not just for the kids.. Which proves that Kim could have been a major Marketable force for Disney (Right up there with Mickey Mouse..(sure Mickey may be the icon, but then again so is Kim Ron, Wade, and Rufus, as Kim is the force behind the marketing).

(I mean since it's inception more people have become aware of "Naked Mole Rats" (they are VERY VERY Real!) and in fact the Washington National zoo has even gone as so far as to set up a "Mole Rat Cam" in their Small Mammals house!

But continuing on the writer of this aritcle (who is indeed a marketing major goes on to write..

Another possible mistake was probably the channel. The channel isn't the biggest cable station. Well, ABC is having a great rating period. Note: the sarcasm. What is wrong with a show that can appeal to the family during this time period or on a better channel.

The show could be pulling in a bigger audience, if the show was better marketed. I just curious to see if anyone agrees with me.

Well I for one, agree with the writer... Kim Possible has had a real good run so far, and believe me his words on this comment ring very true... in fact this is one of Disney's Most golden Eggs, and yet, they ignore it for less appealing shows... (Like Phil of the Future, and Dave the Barbarian. I'm not saying these two shows are not bad, but just like what Kim Possible has been the last two years Kim's been a Marketing giant..(or giantess) and has brought the family back together here into a family unit..) while Disney sits and makes improper decisions on it's choices thinking every NEW show will be a hit..(I'll be honest, Dave the Barbarian while fun, is lacking quality, and Phil of the Future is the same. These shows Like Kim Possible have to be "Nuruture" and allowed to grow, but instead Disney's Blindness is what is destroying themselves rather then letting themselves grow.. after all they do have shows that can work.. they just have to learn how to market and nurture them properly!

Now at a crucial time, Disney is decidiing to toss the baby out with the bath water, figuratively speaking, and for good reason.. and it's because of their "Assemblyline" Ideas.. Create a show, run it 65 episodes then can it.. repat over and over again.. In fact Disney and ABC could in theory break the rules here by putting shows on Like That's So Raven, Kim Possible, The Proud Family, and even cancelled shows Like Even Stevens and get themselves out of the ratings cellar (But no, people want Reality shows right?)

Wrong... Just recently Forbes Magazine published an article stating that Reality shows are now Passe.. and in fact Pass their prime.. because of the one thing they lack..

Creativity...

that's right creativity.. this is perhaps something Disney needs to reconsider this summer.. being creative, and imaginative. Disney says it has synergy? It' lacks it! (it's not going to happen mind you.. cause when is it that Disney recently has been Creative with it's suuff? well I can point out numerous examples and in fact I bet fans of these shows can back me up, yet Each time Disney has tossed the baby out with the bath water, and it's taken them down a step more!)

Gargoyles (1994-1996) a Drama that was intended for a comedy role, that Disney thought was too lambasted.. too dull they called it.. yet it has a fan following rivaling Star Trek...

Gummi Bears (1985-1991) a Fun hearted romp in a fantasy world of Medieval times that involved bouncing bears..(and believe me it was fun)

Darkwing Duck (the early 1990's ) You could say that before KP this Disney's Spoof and fun loving Answer to Batman.. and it worked so well

and this list goes on and on...

Tale Spin, Bonkers, Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers.. any show you can remember is viable here..

yet what about other shows?

Pepper Ann (1990's) what was Disney thinking? Does an adult want to watch this?
Team Supremo (2000) hello... Superheros? more like a bad nightmare for kids..
Brand Spanking New Doug (1999) a Nick toon run amok in a mickey mouse world.

Disney has painted itself into a corner here.. rather then working on it's strengths has rather worked on it's weaknesses.. and has succeeded in doing the one thing that is wrong.. putting itself out of business.

They've killed off Traditional 2D animation
They've axed ties with Pixar
They're working on Miramax.
and McDonalds..(Heck I commented on how Burger King was rolling in the dough with Shrek 2 and Spiderman 2 advertising, yet nothing on Mc Donalds and their Around the World in 80 days Happy meals.
And Alliance Plushies (No more Mickey Mouse Plushies !).
and in fact they have dragged Winnie the pooh through the mud.. and then some.

Frankly is this not surprising? It's not..

Disney needs a complete top to bottom revamp here.. from marketing to programming and beyond.. no wonder they are losing people.. No wonder fans are discontented..and no wonder.. it starts at the top, an works its way down..

Frankly Disney doesn't need a simple transplant.. it needs a complete overhaul..and Mickey Mouse isn't just the spokesmouse any more.. Kim Possible is head of Marketing.. believe me.. this is gonna be one major summer of discontent I can see..and I shudder to think what 2005 holds.

your thoughts and Comments are appreciated..

[Paul_Cousins]

Originally Posted by tucsoncoyote

Disney has painted itself into a corner here.. rather then working on it's strengths has rather worked on it's weaknesses.. and has succeeded in doing the one thing that is wrong.. putting itself out of business.

They've killed off Traditional 2D animation
They've axed ties with Pixar
They're working on Miramax.
and McDonalds..(Heck I commented on how Burger King was rolling in the dough with Shrek 2 and Spiderman 2 advertising, yet nothing on Mc Donalds and their Around the World in 80 days Happy meals.
And Alliance Plushies (No more Mickey Mouse Plushies !).
and in fact they have dragged Winnie the pooh through the mud.. and then some.

Good post Coyote, but you forgot to mention the heads of Disney running the theme parks into the ground, "Anyone seen Tomorrow Land lately" and cutting back and cheapening the live action departments, including the movie departments.

What is Einser and the rest of the board going to do; keep scaling back funds until there is nothing left of Disney but concrete parking lots?

[tucsoncoyote]

Originally Posted by Paul_Cousins

Good post Coyote, but you forgot to mention the heads of Disney running the theme parks into the ground, "Anyone seen Tomorrow Land lately" and cutting back and cheapening the live action departments, including the movie departments.

What is Einser and the rest of the board going to do; keep scaling back funds until there is nothing left of Disney but concrete parking lots?

that's a good point as well and yes this is perhaps going to be Disney's Summer of Discontent as I like to call it.. (Because think about it..)

It's the 4th of july weekend. You're bored.. you're in California. Or in my case Arizona) you want to do something exciting.. where would you like to go?

for Most folks they would go where it's A) Cheap, B) Clean C) close By, and D) not going to cost the Family an arm and a leg... or in my case

E) write a script....calling it.. who wants to be a CEO?

Disneyland and the other theme parks (First things first)

Let's face it.. Disneyland isn't one of those locales..

It's because really Paul, Mr. Eisner has failed to seen the folly of his ways that he's gotten himself into this mess, and for very good reason.. In fact if you read the article on June 26th about 5 before this one ) where I pointed out how Disney has interestingly enough become like McDonalds.. and in fact you can see through the scenes shown here.. and else where at www.savedisney.com that you are correct as well here Paul, and in fact I can tell you one thing.. it's disgraceful...

So what could Disney do? Well I've sat down myself mentally, and have worked out a plan (of sorts) where Most of the exterior (read Non-American) theme parks would be sold off to whoever wanted them. Outright. (Paris, Tokyo, and of course the soon to be Hong Kong branch)

But I would keep just the American ones, and work on them.. or find a merger deal where someone (like the Knotts of Knotts Berry Farm) would take over and work on the parks. In short, Lease them out!) Then of course with all that cash flow I wouldn't be focusing on anything else currently then what Disney is good at .. Quality entertainment..

You're probably saying.."Coyote, You're Crazy. Sell off or LEASE Disneyland??!!" well in a way yes and no... I would rather then sell it outright, lease it out, and let them take on the job of imporiving the park! (or if I couldn't lease it out, then by all means sell it off, and take that money and in turn focus on what Uncle Walt would have wanted..

Step 1...
Quality family entertainment.. and in fact the thing is I would focus on that.. until there was enough cash flow going, to buy back the parks..(and it's only then I would go to a point where I wouldn't expand beyond either Florida or Anaheim..(If Folks complained it was too far to drive? Well spend a little cash and maybe.. just maybe I might consider a Disney (Texas) but not very likely in the current forseeable future. After all Look at Disneyland and WDW before Eisner sank his claws into it.. and look at them now.

Nice clean efficient parks before he sank his dirty mitts into them . and in fact that's the problem here now.. the lack of Eisner's insight and those Costly guido sarduchhi 3 Piece suits he wears.. would be the least of my problems, Besides, I'm a Hard worker in a corporate Shirt, and jeans!

In fact I would focus on doing things the way Uncle Walt would have done it. But with a half twist.

But first things first.. Animation, (TV and Movie both), would come back. I would try to woo Pixar into Joining forces again, and in fact negotiations aren't the problem here.. But the interesting thing with what I was thinking, maybe Jobs would like to hire on some 2D animators.. Done.. What about 3D? same.. Inkers, colorers, artists.. done done and done..

Frankly breath life into the animation studios..after all I know some artists who are starting and would love a crack to try their hands at Disney.

Then second.. Eliminate the rules.. (Puck from Gargoyles said it best.. The rule that can't be broken surely can be bent!) 65 Episodes? Nope None here. in fact if you put out a script and it works.. go for it.. and you know what Mr. Weisman, do it your way.. the way you want it.. just remember though there are kids here..

Also Vault disney? Consider a comeback.. Kim Possible Keep.. Pepper Ann, Teamo Supremo and Doug.. Bye bye.. want to see New Gummi Bears Stories with the same fun characters in 1985? Sure enough! maybe some DWD? Okay done.. Gargoyles ( ) for you ? Sure no problem.. oh and you want Weisman to direct? Okay then.. let's get to work...



Anything lame or uninteresting would be out of the vault.. probably transferred to DVD and saved for later distribution..if they really wanted it!

in short clean house..

Step 2 (Heigh Ho Heigh Ho!)
and then there is this thing about Live action movies.. sure keep them in, but make it were there isn't a sequel in the house, unless it's a Profitable movie..(Think a little bit like Katz..and a bit Like Walt...)

but you see where i'm getting..

Frankly I just love playing these games of Mental Disney chess, intriguing me on ways I can look at things.. and people..

Step 3 (When you wish upon a star)
oh yes People are on the top of my list.. (after all people are not going to be unhappy.. they're going to be happy indeed.. and if McDonald's doesn't want to promote Disney products? Okay how about Burger King? Or Maybe Jack in the box..

The Bottom line (Bibbity Bobbity BOO!)
(so what does this tell you? Someone who's crazy might be sane.. and someone who's sane, well he's probably crazy as a loon..)

After all I think I'll keep my signature.. it doesn't give me a big head, but it stands for what Disney should be.. a Company that thinks outside the box, where innovation, creatvitiy, and ingenuity are the key.. and let's all be friends..

After all Disney should be quality, rather then money. After all Uncle Walt would have wanted it that way (right?)

[tucsoncoyote]

Alright Now I'm upset.. and why you may ask.. this shows that the board needs a Complete Overhaul... and for good reason...

One Tuseday (June 29th) Disney board memebers gave themselves yet another Raise..

A Raise? (wait a Second here..) A RAISE???!!!

That's right folks.. a raise..

and if you think I'm kidding.. well there's proof at Yahoo Finance, CBS Market Watch, Forbes Magazine, and even Reuters reported on this..

Now what's wrong with this picture???

Now what is really wrong with this picture here... well a lot.. and in fact it all adds up to major Trouble..especially for the shareholders... My question is this..

Where is Disney Getting all this money to get all these Raises???

(That I think is a VERY VIABLE question don't you think?)

Think about it: Mitchell gets paid Half a Million Dollars Retroactively back to March, and in fact you take a look at the movie box office Intake on the lasat Disney movies out.. and you tell me.. (also what about the other board members? Each of them gets a raise..) The Parks are suffering, The Box Office is flat lining.. and yet these guys get a Raise? (no they should get a Pay Cut for this.. not a raise! )

I mean come on people get a CLUE here.. if you have a business, you don't get a raise if your company is suffering! you take a pay CUT!

that's what irks me... cause just like Paul_Cousins stated.. look at Tomorrow Land and WDW.. unless Disney has a VERY large surplus of Cash they aren't tellling shareholders about.. someone is in need of a MAJOR time out..

(I mean seriously.. does this make any sense to anyone? If it does PLEASE so comment, if Not, Please so comment..) I want to SERIOUSLY hear about this.. after all as a Certain Red Headed Cheerleader would say..

This.. is so SICK and WRONG!!!!

Comments?

[Paul_Cousins]

Originally Posted by tucsoncoyote

Where is Disney Getting all this money to get all these Raises???

So that is where the money they cut from the live-action departments probably went.

[Vdubdavid]

Not to minimize everything else, but what I'm wondering if Eisner gets the boot is what would happen to Disney's home movie releases? As of right now, collecting their classic animated films is all that's keeping me from severing ties right now. Would a housecleaning mean a sudden uptick in quality (not to mention truthfulness), such as no more picky edits (cough-Saludos Amigos and Melody Time-cough), distracting little "games" on special edition DVDs, or even, god forbid, they finding the courage to release an uncut "Fantasia"?

[tucsoncoyote]

Originally Posted by Paul_Cousins

So that is where the money they cut from the live-action departments probably went.

Highly Unlikely Paul, after all think about it.. Where could Disney GET even that.. They would have to STRIP the entire workforce off of Live action films to generate the cash... I'm thinking.. seriously.. we got another "Enron" Financial Book Cooking" in the making.. there's no way in Heck that this could happen.. not unless they sold off Euro-Disney and Tokyo Disney!

Does anyone have the Number to the Wall Street Securities and Exchange Commission, I would like to report this..(Seriously!)

Note: the Revolution HAS begun...

[tucsoncoyote]

Originally Posted by Vdubdavid

Not to minimize everything else, but what I'm wondering if Eisner gets the boot is what would happen to Disney's home movie releases? As of right now, collecting their classic animated films is all that's keeping me from severing ties right now. Would a housecleaning mean a sudden uptick in quality (not to mention truthfulness), such as no more picky edits (cough-Saludos Amigos and Melody Time-cough), distracting little "games" on special edition DVDs, or even, god forbid, they finding the courage to release an uncut "Fantasia"?

That's a DARN good question here Vdubdavid, and I know if I were in there for the company, I would be definitely keeping QUALITY in.. No Hacking Apart movie films or TV Shows any more.. what goes in stays in..(Paul_C, you remember Gargoyle's Deadly force's 10 seconds of Edit?. I would Personally Put it back in!)

(as for Fantasia Vdubdavid, I would keep it in it's entirity (and If I could find the missing film parts I would definitely put that in..(Eisner I know probably has edited them out!) Song of the South (if I were in there, Would be kept true to Walt's form and be released onto DVD. TV shows could and would be revitalized.. Gummi Bears? sure thing.. want it on DVD? Definitely!


But as for this I say Disney is going to do this thing about what you are saying, and they'll keep doing it Vdubdavid, unless they change their ways.. and fast.. Frankly I'm really surprised that they did this raise on the executive board this week.. that's a MAJOR Red flag in MY book..

[shogunthethird]

sick, wrong, and bordering on Enron level book-cooking, the last time I saw thievery this adept was when they were running Lupin the third on Adult Swim

[Paul_Cousins]

Originally Posted by shogunthethird

sick, wrong, and bordering on Enron level book-cooking, the last time I saw thievery this adept was when they were running Lupin the third on Adult Swim

But at least Lupin was honest about it and he did with style.

[Samurai Rocko]

Disney board of Directors give theirselves a raise. I don't get this. Their losing profits, partners, and respect, yet these idiots think they deserve a raise. I thought you get a raise when you did something good for your company. And why do they give theirselves raises when something happen to their movie productions (Closure of Flordia animation studio, The huge flops of The Alamo and Around the world of 80 days.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/stor...FE6A6E00510%7D&

[tucsoncoyote]

Originally Posted by Samurai Rocko

Disney board of Directors give theirselves a raise. I don't get this. Their losing profits, partners, and respect, yet these idiots think they deserve a raise. I thought you get a raise when you did something good for your company. And why do they give theirselves raises when something happen to their movie productions (Closure of Flordia animation studio, The huge flops of The Alamo and Around the world of 80 days.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&guid=%7BF7BCBB43%2DB940%2D4B6F%2D9C83%2D2FE6A6E00510%7D&

The interesting thing here is that if you READ the whole story.. both (Roy E.) Disney and (Stanley) Gold refuse to comment about this.. which in itself is VERY odd. but then you look at the last 2 to 3 lines of the article, and it makes you wonder..

What on earth is going on here? Is Roy E. Disney and Stanley Gold Completely blind to all this? Do the Shareholder EVEN care or are they brainwashed SHEEP ? (are all of these people just ignoring the issue that Disney is going south as we speak?)

I think the fact is that Roy and Stanley are just holding their tongues (in their Cheeks) and Watching Eisner flounder here struggling to keep the company alive and afloat, seeing if he does have "managerial Skills (Apparenlty Eisner doesn't. not with the flops he has been cranking out as Samurai Rocko Mentioned (Home on the Range, Alamo, Hidalgo, and Around the World in 80 Days), and with King Arthur due out on July 7th, well here comes another one..

here is the low down on King Arthur..

King Arthur
Movie Rating PG-13
Running Time 2 hours and 10Minutes (Rather long for a Live action Film!)
Production costs (Not available yetm but I'm guessing take Around the World in 80 Days, and add 5 Million)
Advertising costs (Not available yet, but my guess will be 20 million dollars)

Now then considering that this film has to face off against Spiderman 2 (which is now starting to thunder down the film turnpike in record Form, Grossing 64 Million in the first 2 days alone, Shrek 2 (The fastest 400 Million dollar grossing film of all time (in just 43 days) and of course Farenheit 9/11 and Harry Potter, There forms a question in my mind.. and it's a whopper..


what snowball's Chance in Tucson (In July), does King Arthur REALLY have at the box office of being the Walt Disney Company's next Pirates of the Caribeean?

Anyone want to take a guess?

[shogunthethird]

the odds of King Arthur being the next PotC (that's Pirates of the Caribbean, not Passion of the Christ) are about as likely as Michael Moore being the guest of honor at the GOP national convention

[Antiyonder]

1. Any reason why they wanted to change their audience to tween girl segments as opposed to the entire family?

2. I suppose it was Eisner's idea right?

3. Is Disney aware that their target audience are usually in bed by Midnight, hence why Vault Disney should return?

[tucsoncoyote]

Good questions Antiyonder and here come my responses...

Originally Posted by Antiyonder

1. Any reason why they wanted to change their audience to tween girl segments as opposed to the entire family?

That' perhaps the hardest question to answer, Antiyonder, but I am guessing because ABC Jetix is targeted for Tween boys, you can figure they're trying to turn Disneychannel into a Female version of ABC Family/Jetix..

Problem is that It's not working..(The Only Family Oriented shows I can find (other then That's so Raven, Kim Possible, Braceface, and The Proud Family) is.. well none! that's right Zip nada zero.. moving on

Originally Posted by Antiyonder

2. I suppose it was Eisner's idea right?

When you say it this way.. it's probably the whole board deciding this.. after all, they ALL got a raise!.. every last one of them! But in terms of the question what exactly do you mean? aobut Question 1? (Why is Disney becoming Female Oriented) or by the movies post I suggested (well if it's about the movies I'm figuring it's about them cutting back the amount of Live action flick films so they could cover their raise.. but if it's about Number 1? It's probably about the fact that maybe Disney is trying to "reorganize all of their Cable Companies into one group and thus you will see shows that are going to be shifting from one Channel at WDC to another (watch.. Kim Possible will jump over to ABC family and be called Ron Stoppable.. or something tlike that.. and Power Rangers will be shifted and be called Power Teenyboppers..)

Originally Posted by Antiyonder

3. Is Disney aware that their target audience are usually in bed by Midnight, hence why Vault Disney should return?

Yet another good question.. in fact if you look at what I posted a few posts back about Kim Possible, Kim shouldn't be on at 5PM.. she should be Prime time. This girl is Prime time Material! As for the idea you are suggesting Antiyonder, well I too wouldn't mind seeing Vault Disney return (I know I would be in the Disney vaults getting any and everything out and getting with staff and telling them to rearrage the schedule that is more appealing to the family (also have you notice the sudden return of Bug Juice? (summer camp reality show?) Let's face facts.. if that's appealing.. I can break out Zorro and show that even 50 years later, Guy Williams and the rest of that show worked so well and that Kids would enjoy it.. But first you guys would have to get me in there.. so I could do that.. but then again.. is Eisner ever going to step down? Not unless he has a Massive coronary..(And even then.. does Disney even have a Plan READY for this in case it DOES happen? Frankly I would myself have a ton of Contingency plans open just in case something did happen.. In short I myself Antiyonder think in a lot of ways like David Xanatos.. but I myself dont' want money.. I want people to appreciate shows.. and ideas.. but then again.. I'm not Mr. Eisner now am I? (Really I'm more like Walt..(Disney) that is....

for every question answered two more spring up in it's place..but the guy whos should be answering them.. isn't wanting to.. that's all I ahve to say..

[Antiyonder]

Originally Posted by tucsoncoyote

That' perhaps the hardest question to answer, Antiyonder, but I am guessing because ABC Jetix is targeted for Tween boys, you can figure they're trying to turn Disneychannel into a Female version of ABC Family/Jetix..

They can't use the regular ABC Channel for Tween Girl programs because?

Originally Posted by tucsoncoyote

(watch.. Kim Possible will jump over to ABC family and be called Ron Stoppable.. or something tlike that.. and Power Rangers will be shifted and be called Power Teenyboppers..)

Except the teenagers on Power Rangers are a more accurate potrayal of teens, as opposed to shows like Lizzie McGuire and Sister, Sister sterotype like there's no tomorrow.

[tucsoncoyote]

Originally Posted by Samurai Rocko

Disney board of Directors give theirselves a raise. I don't get this. Their losing profits, partners, and respect, yet these idiots think they deserve a raise. I thought you get a raise when you did something good for your company. And why do they give theirselves raises when something happen to their movie productions (Closure of Flordia animation studio, The huge flops of The Alamo and Around the world of 80 days.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/stor...E6A6E00510%7D&

Agreed Samurai Rocko, Think about it, What's wrong with this picture here.. You do something bad, you're supposed to be punished, not rewarded. for your incorrect actions.. and it's so wrong that I think that is why the shareholders need to investigate this.. After all Eisner is Playing with THEIR (The shareholders) money, and not his. and that's why I say, there needs to be a complete investigation here, not just a look at the books but complete expenditure investigations and in fact an audit is in order.

That's really all I'm going to say about here.