What the heck happened?

[Auggie Doggie]

Even though I was too young to remember, I knew the characters of Hanna-Barbera lived in a Funtasic World filled with fun, wonder and (makes rainbow motion with hands) MAGIC! Now look at it, the "Funtasic World" is now a barron wasteland with golden Scooby-Doo idols left and right!

Why did Warner Bros. do this? Why did they make Scooby-Doo so amazing and push everyone else to the wayside?

Look, I don't have anything against Scooby. He has a great reputation with a live-action movie and recent animated revivals, the latter which turned out to be great (didn't see the former, but Mary, my sister, thought I would have loved it), but, when you think about it, how does that decrease the quality of Yogi & Company? How does it give Jamie Kellner and all of the hoards at AOL Time Warner to treat non-Scoobies, as they call them, like, say, the Jews in Nazi Germany, or ZIM on Nickelodeon?

Seriously, why does Scooby get all of the attention with airtimes on CTN every single day and new cartoons left and right, where Yogi and Co. only get zilch, and seedy timeslots on CTN under a totally different name? Why can't they get equal respect?

If there is anything wrong with the way I am thinking, please let me know.

[DarkMaster]

Why does scooby get attention?

Most of the fans are 7 year olds. Children like dogs. Wooby Woo

Search scooby online it's scary.

[Dee]

lol I dont know. My memory of all that is sketchy.

[oranthal]

what kind of dog breed is scooby anyway?

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by oranthal
what kind of dog breed is scooby anyway?

Great Dane.

I think that a lot of the popularity has to do with the adventure mixed with comedy. I think that kids sort of like the idea of ghosts and such, and maybe even like the thrill of being scared. Many people seem to like being scared to a degree, which is why you see the popularity of horror movies, roller coaster rides and so on.

Personally, I always preferred the more traditional HB stuff like Yogi, Huckleberry Hound and Quick Draw McGraw, even when I was a kid. Though I do remember being oddly fond of some of the really weird mystery-like HB series, namely Speed Buggy and Jabberjaw. I think it was mostly because I liked their voices, honestly. And Hong Kong Phooey was, and still is, a favorite.

I still don't know why I used to particularly like Squiddly Diddly. I guess I liked the idea of a cartoon squid.

[Sharklady]

> Personally, I always preferred the more traditional HB stuff like Yogi, Huckleberry Hound and Quick Draw McGraw... <

Me, too.

Fortunately, we can still watch them on CN's 'Boomerang' show, Sundays at 3:00 PM.

[StrangerAtaru]

Sadly, Scooby is, was, and will be for a while, the Hanna-Barbera cash cow. Even though Yogi, Huckelberry, Quickdraw and the rest put HB on the map (and the Flinstones as well, but that has a bit more staying power), it was the mutt (well OK, purebred Great Dane) that had the longest staying power for them. And then, because they keep pushing it on the younger generations, it keeps him constantly in the spotlight. Sadly, many of the rest of the Hanna-Barbera characters have no real following except from baby-boomers and cartoon afficionatos, but just because they are old don't mean they are not funny. Well OK, the early stuff was funny, but some of the degenerate stuff of the classic characters from the 1970's and 1980's were just wrong.

[jeffrey 228]

Scooby-Doo Seems to be the only cartoon to ever be brought back to life since the late 60's early 70's and that maybe the fans want to make this cartoon a history in the making and all, but that is just my thought.

[Auggie Doggie]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
I think that a lot of the popularity has to do with the adventure mixed with comedy. I think that kids sort of like the idea of ghosts and such, and maybe even like the thrill of being scared. Many people seem to like being scared to a degree, which is why you see the popularity of horror movies, roller coaster rides and so on.

Yeah, and that's a quality that's only limited to him? I think not. We can give an comedy-adventure quality to other characters in the HB stable that is just like Scooby, with a few minor differences, like not ripping it off.

Originally posted by StrangerAtaru
Sadly, Scooby is, was, and will be for a while, the Hanna-Barbera cash cow. Even though Yogi, Huckelberry, Quickdraw and the rest put HB on the map (and the Flinstones as well, but that has a bit more staying power), it was the mutt (well OK, purebred Great Dane) that had the longest staying power for them. And then, because they keep pushing it on the younger generations, it keeps him constantly in the spotlight.

You sound just like Matt Wilson. If you are referring to "they" as Warner Brothers, then you are right. The reason why Yogi and Co. are hardly recognized today is because AOLTW is treating them like dirt. Also, I was referring to days when Scooby was the top dog, but the likes of Huck, Doggie Daddy and countless other canines were close behind like Queens is close to Manhattan, not the current "dark ages" where Scooby appears to be lonely at the top, thanks to Kellner and his hoards.

Sadly, many of the rest of the Hanna-Barbera characters have no real following except from baby-boomers and cartoon afficionatos, but just because they are old don't mean they are not funny. Well OK, the early stuff was funny, but some of the degenerate stuff of the classic characters from the 1970's and 1980's were just wrong.

Okay, now THAT is bull. And I am not just saying that because I didn't think Treasure Hunt was nice, like the original shorts (another quality is the animation style of HB 80's, like on Smurfs, mixed with Hoyt Curtain's music...yeah, that REALLY clicked with me), and was very much like anything the Disney Afternoon offered, but because it isn't exactly true. Remember what I said earlier about AOLTW not giving the characters a chance, maybe that is why not many know about them, hence, a lack of popularity. Maybe if they gave the characters a chance, then their pop culture status might extend beyond the cartoon afficiantos and grumpier old men.

[StrangerAtaru]

Originally posted by Auggie Doggie
You sound just like Matt Wilson. If you are referring to "they" as Warner Brothers, then you are right. The reason why Yogi and Co. are hardly recognized today is because AOLTW is treating them like dirt. Also, I was referring to days when Scooby was the top dog, but the likes of Huck, Doggie Daddy and countless other canines were close behind like Queens is close to Manhattan, not the current "dark ages" where Scooby appears to be lonely at the top, thanks to Kellner and his hoards.

When I said "they", I meant whoever heald the power to the Hanna-Barbera characters at the time. I mean, at first it was HB themselves, who saw popularity to the dog and the mystery adventures, leading not only to sequel series but the various other mystery series in the 1970's and 1980's. Then, when Turner took control of HB, they started the process of showing the shows to a new generation. They did show other HB shows off as well with the start of the Cartoon Network, but for some reason or another Scooby has a wider appeal. But it was when Turner merged with Time Warner (and the subsequent merger with AOL) that have really made things out of hand. Now Scooby is an even greater corporate icon than ever, with all the movies and new series, while sadly the other HB characters are left behind except for Boomerang.

Okay, now THAT is bull. And I am not just saying that because I didn't think Treasure Hunt was nice, like the original shorts (another quality is the animation style of HB 80's, like on Smurfs, mixed with Hoyt Curtain's music...yeah, that REALLY clicked with me), and was very much like anything the Disney Afternoon offered, but because it isn't exactly true. Remember what I said earlier about AOLTW not giving the characters a chance, maybe that is why not many know about them, hence, a lack of popularity. Maybe if they gave the characters a chance, then their pop culture status might extend beyond the cartoon afficiantos and grumpier old men.

I guess my comment about that was partially because of the degregation of the other Hanna-Barbera characters over the years outside of "The Flintstones", "The Jetsons" and "Scooby Doo". (OK, those three had crappy cartoons as well, but I guess something clicked) I remember watching "Yogi's Treasure Hunt" as a kid, but it was just another show to me. But however, when they actually showed original Hanna-Barbera shorts on TNT in the early 1990's around the time of the start of the Cartoon Network, I did start liking a lot of them (sort of discovering them for the first time). However, I have realized that a good chunk of the neglect for Yogi and the gang did somewhat start in the 1970's with the crappy cartoons they were written into. And then there is the fact that the cartoons are hardly on TV today outside of Boomerang, while Scooby at one point pretty much dominated the CN schedule. Sadly, I just think that time and corporations have just been better towards Scooby and his cartoons over the rest of the HB shows, especially the good ones of the early days. It is just something too large of an entanglement for me to understand.

[Buddy Lee]

I wish they would bring back the "Laff-A-Lympics". I loved that show growing up. They could do that now and WB can try and re-introduce some of the other classic characters in the Hanna Barbera world.

While, I liked the Yogi Yahooeys and the Scooby Doobys, I always rooted for the Really Rottens. You got to luv Mutley!!

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Auggie Doggie
Yeah, and that's a quality that's only limited to him? I think not. We can give an comedy-adventure quality to other characters in the HB stable that is just like Scooby, with a few minor differences, like not ripping it off.

Why are you getting all excited? Calm down. Geez.

HB tried to duplicate the Scooby-ness over and over, as I mentioned above. Speed Buggy, Jabberjaw, Goober & The Ghost Chasers, and Chan Clan are just a few examples. But those were more or less failures. I think this is because they were unable to capture the same kind of mystery feel as the original.

Are you saying you want Yogi and crew to solve mysteries in the same way as Scooby? I don't think that would work well, myself. It would feel too artificial and, IMO, would seem too much like blatant ripping off. Besides, I don't think there's enough of a market for those sorts of stories to justify inventing a new brand of them.

I'm not a big Scooby fan, but the team that they came up with worked reasonably well, at least in comparison to its dopplegangers. I don't think it would work as well if you randomly threw Yogi, Huck and Quick Draw together to do the same thing. And look at how crappy the Yogi's Ark stories were, when they tried to throw the characters together for storytelling purposes. (I still kinda like Laff-A-Lympics though, even if it is corny.)

I would be all for new stories starring Yogi and the others that had the same kind of setting as the old stories though.

[The Dork Knight]

The only time I liked Scooby was when he had a guest apperence on Johnny Bravo (Before JB went downhill).

- Foley Is Good

[CLStorm]

Originally posted by Foley Is Good
The only time I liked Scooby was when he had a guest apperence on Johnny Bravo (Before JB went downhill).

I don't know, seeing Avenger swooping down on Scrappy was pretty good.

[jeffrey 228]

But I thought that was like on Harvy Birdman Atterny at Law, maybe I'm just guessing.

[CLStorm]

Yah and the Scooby scene Foley was describing was on Johnny Bravo.

[Auggie Doggie]

Yeah, I thought the Scooby parody on Johnny Bravo was funny, especally the cameo by Speed Buggy in the end.

Now, back to the topic, I would like to address Joe Tully. Ahem...

NO, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE YOGI AND COMPANY RIP OFF SCOOBY-DOO!!!! THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS TOPIC!!!

AND I DID NOT SAY I WANTED THE CHARACTERS TO RIP OFF SCOOBY!!!!! MAN!!!!!

Now, seriously. I was saying I wanted Yogi and Co. to get better time slots on CTN and, perhaps, have new specials and, eventually, a series, if they are successful (if not, I can safely say we live in a stupid country which will obviously faulter in a war).

As for these new specials, I said I wanted them to feature a good plot and concept, so it can appeal to the kids and adults alike, like the characters in the old days and in the same way Kim Possible and The Fairly OddParents do in present times. Perhaps they can go on brand new adventures, unless any of you have a problem with that.

[Pietro]

I said it on the TTTP, I said it on TZ Cafe, and I'll say it here:

That Great Dane is Gettin' to be a Real Pain!

-Pietro

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Auggie Doggie

Now, back to the topic, I would like to address Joe Tully. Ahem...

NO, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE YOGI AND COMPANY RIP OFF SCOOBY-DOO!!!! THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS TOPIC!!!

AND I DID NOT SAY I WANTED THE CHARACTERS TO RIP OFF SCOOBY!!!!! MAN!!!!!

I'M SORRY. I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU. BUT PLEASE, MAYBE NEXT TIME YOU COULD ARTICULATE YOUR MESSAGE MORE CLEARLY? THANKS!

[Dub]

Originally posted by Auggie Doggie
Yeah, I thought the Scooby parody on Johnny Bravo was funny, especally the cameo by Speed Buggy in the end.

Now, back to the topic, I would like to address Joe Tully. Ahem...

NO, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE YOGI AND COMPANY RIP OFF SCOOBY-DOO!!!! THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS TOPIC!!!

AND I DID NOT SAY I WANTED THE CHARACTERS TO RIP OFF SCOOBY!!!!! MAN!!!!!

Dude....you're wigging out over absolutely nothing. All that yelling isnt called for. Cut it out.

Now, seriously. I was saying I wanted Yogi and Co. to get better time slots on CTN and, perhaps, have new specials and, eventually, a series, if they are successful (if not, I can safely say we live in a stupid country which will obviously faulter in a war).

Most of the reasons why they obscure the older HB to harder timeslots I'd mostly attribute to ratings. Personally I'd love to them back too but they just dont get the "good ratings" which ever TV company strives for. You cant very well expect them to put them in a Primetime position which is their most watched hours do you? Granted I wish there was more, but they do do enough to at least let people remember they are there. Its a Catch 22 situation kinda, but what can ya do. And besides, thats what Boomerang (the channel and the CN specials) are for.

As for these new specials, I said I wanted them to feature a good plot and concept, so it can appeal to the kids and adults alike, like the characters in the old days and in the same way Kim Possible and The Fairly OddParents do in present times. Perhaps they can go on brand new adventures, unless any of you have a problem with that.

As far as new specials, that would probably be the best route to go to rejuvenate the characters, but then you have those who are of the mindset that anything new immediately constitutes suckage before even giving the new thing a try. **something that annoys me greatly** -__- I think that I'd like to see new material too, but I think that new material would need to stay in character to the old material in some way.

Maybe its just me and my personal opinion, but I thought that Flintsones On the Rocks was a much better attempt at updating/continuing/being a newer take on a series concept than say Boo Boo Runs Wild. Boo Boo Runs Wild is OK but, A) its probably my personal bias since I'm not a big fan of the John K. stuff and B) It just want my cup f tee as to how I grew up with and envisioned Yogi Bear and Boo Boo. Thats not to discredit it, because I did think it had its highlights. But like I said, sometimes its a touchy area.

I will admit it would be neat to see the current camp at Cartoon Network do a new series featuring Yogi and The Classic HB Gang. I miss that bunch