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    Jerry Beck on Stu's Show Tonight

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    Cartoon historian Jerry Beck will be on Stu's Show again tonight, at 7 PM Eastern/4 PM Pacific. Unfortunately, I won't be able to listen to it live; anybody out there willing to make Cliff's Notes of the show?
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    Sure.

    I'm going to ask about the forthcoming Olive Films releases of Betty Boop. Hopefully, Jerry isn't far removed from that.
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    Thanks.

    I sent an e-mail asking if there will be any more LT Super-Stars sets. Lemme know if it's read/answered, please?
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    Okay, here we go

    - Jerry Beck is co-hosting a day of animation on TCM with Robert Osbourne, October 21.
    - Jerry has ideas for animation on TCM that may be implemented in the future
    - Jerry and TCM are working on making the TCM show the best it can possibly be (with regards to PQ of Mr. Bug and Gulliver)
    - Dreamworks buying Classic Media: Jerry is pretty optimistic that Dreamworks will be good stewards of the Classic Media holdings
    - Paramount recently restored Mr. Bug AND Gulliver
    - CENSORED ELEVEN!!!!!!!!! Donald Bogle doing intros, cartoons have all been restored. Supposed to be announced at Comic-con, but wasn't.
    - it's sounds like Warner is really waiting for Sony to greenlight their Popeye movie to finish restoration on those cartoons.
    - special anniversary Woody Woodpecker set for Universal 100th anniversary (
    - Mr. Magoo delayed so Sony can restore cartoons.
    - Tom and Jerry Golden Collection V2; coming out next year.
    - They answered my Olive Films question; sadly, Jerry doesn't share my optimism about the issue
    - TCM Jolly Frolics set very successful; TCM is discussing plans for rest of Sony-owned.
    - Thunderbean is Working on special project with Jerry.
    - Preliminary plans for Tex Avery.
    - LT Platinum V2: Bonus material mostly replicated from Golden Collections. Bonus cartoons won't be restored on Platinum Collection #2.
    - Hare-Um Scare-Um will most likely have original ending
    - Blu-Ray's more profitiable than DVD's at this point
    -- New Looney Tunes Super Stars in November. No info, but Bob Bergen did an intro ("beans" was also mentioned. Probably Porky-related)
    - Warner anniversary set on the board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathan View Post
    - CENSORED ELEVEN!!!!!!!!! Donald Bogle doing intros, cartoons have all been restored. Supposed to be announced at Comic-con, but wasn't.
    I'm intrigued.
    - Tom and Jerry Golden Collection V2; coming out next year.
    Was there any reason given for not coming out this year? I was assuming these would be yearly sets... I guess I assumed wrong.
    -- New Looney Tunes Super Stars in November. No info, but Bob Bergen did an intro ("beans" was also mentioned. Probably Porky-related)
    Cool. If a LTSS set of Porky cartoon was made, this would be a pretty good disc:
    -Cracked Quack
    -Thumb Fun
    -Boston Quackie
    -China Jones
    -My Generation G-G-Gap
    -Dog Collared
    -Fool Coverage
    -Riff Raffy Daffy
    -Daffy Doodles
    -Nothing But the Tooth
    -The Pest That Came to Dinner
    -Little Orphan Airedale
    -One Meat Brawl
    -Mouse Menace
    -Brother Brat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathan View Post
    - CENSORED ELEVEN!!!!!!!!! Donald Bogle doing intros, cartoons have all been restored. Supposed to be announced at Comic-con, but wasn't.
    It's about time! Hopefully, we'll be seeing this soon. I'm curious about this collection, but when it comes down to it, I'm really only going to purchase it for one short: All This and Rabbit Stew


    - Tom and Jerry Golden Collection V2; coming out next year.
    I'm really disappointed this won't be out this year, along with the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection V2.


    - Preliminary plans for Tex Avery.
    Preliminary plans? I would have thought they were in later stages by now on something for Tex. I know there's going to be a few Tex Avery bonus features, and possibly shorts, on the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection V2, but I don't know if that'll be enough for fans like me who want a complete collection of Tex's MGM shorts.


    Was there any mention of the Looney Tunes Platinum Collection V2 Blu-ray coming in a DigiBook format, or even a possible Collector's Edition Box, like V1 did? The cover images appear to be standard case/slipsleeve designs.

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    All of this sounds really cool, especially Tex and Censored 11 sets as possibilities, and I'm already excited for Platinum Collection vol. 2. Things certainly seem more optimistic for classic animation on home video compared to a few years ago.

    I should really get that UPA collection, but I don't really know anything about these cartoons. Oh well, Jerry's night of animation on TCM will rectify that!

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    Also: hopefully the Censored 11 set will be a catch-all for all the unreleasable cartoons (Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips included).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angilasman View Post
    Also: hopefully the Censored 11 set will be a catch-all for all the unreleasable cartoons (Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips included).
    That would be cool. I don't understand why these so called "Censored 11" are considered so special anyway, when there are many more cartoon shorts that have also been banned. Can someone enlighten me?

    I don't know the history of these shorts, but my original guess was that maybe these 11 are so important because they were banned immediately (or within a certain amout of time) after their first screenings, while most censored or banned cartoons got more mileage later on television and weren't pulled until some time had passed and they were later deemed too offensive. But this theory can't be true, because I've heard that "All This and Rabbit Stew", which is one of the Censored 11, ran quite a bit in the early days of TV.

    Or maybe it's the opposite -- with the Censored 11 getting banned after being run over time, when others of the kind were usually banned right away?

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    I think those were the original censored ones, (whether they made it to early TV or not), and this because they were so out there in the racial references, while the other ones that have been banned were not as bad, and thus it took longer for them to be banned (some making it to the last couple of decades), as sensitivities increased.
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    Thanks for the info, Eric B

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    The censored 11 are a group of cartoons originally banned from syndication by United Artists in 1968, due to their racial stereotypes. Other cartoons may have been banned (or rarely played) since that initial batch, but they aren't "officially" considered part of the original 11. Still, I agree with you that it would be nice if the set had more than those 11 cartoons; that would be a pretty slim set otherwise.
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    Yeah; that's right. I had forgotten precisely that detail (read it not too long ago), but I knew it was something like that.
    Are you sure you mean "United Artists" and not "Associated Artists Press" (the actual syndicator)?
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    The Golden Age of Looney Tunes laserdiscs included most of the cartoons with racial stereotypes that weren't part of the Censored 11 (the Inki series, September in the Rain, Confederate Honey and originally Bugs Bunny Nips to Nips). In fact, one side was even called Politically Incorrect and had a bunch of such cartoons.

    Including them in this upcoming C11 set would be the best way to tastefully present the material (and since it's not a "kids" set, less potential for negative publicity).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angilasman View Post
    Also: hopefully the Censored 11 set will be a catch-all for all the unreleasable cartoons (Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips included).
    I'll be sure to get my copy whenever it becomes reality and is officially announced. Besides the 11 obvious ones, there are second-degree shorts that had similar offensive content, such as:
    *Sweet Sioux (1937)
    *September in the Rain (1937) (the current TV print removes all of the blackfaced caricatures, thus making it quite a short cartoon!)
    *Injun Trouble (1938)
    *The Major Lied 'til Dawn (1938)
    *A-Lad-in Bagdad (1938)
    *Johnny Smith and Poker-Huntas (1938)
    *Kristopher Kolumbus, Jr. (1939)
    *Scalp Trouble (1939)
    *Sioux Me (1939)
    *The Little Lion Hunter (1939)
    *The Early Worm Gets the Bird (1940)
    *Africa Squeaks (1940)
    *Ali Baba Bound (1940)
    *The Hardship of Miles Standish (1940)
    *Malibu Beach Party (1940)
    *The Fighting 69-1/2th (1941)
    *A Coy Decoy (1941)
    *Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt (1941)
    *Inki and the Lion (1941)
    *Robinson Crusoe, Jr. (1941)
    *Confusions of a Nutzy Spy (1943)
    *Tokio Jokio (1943)
    *Inki and the Minah Bird (1943)
    *Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips (1944)
    *Slightly Daffy (1944) (color remake of Scalp Trouble, but as a Merrie Melody directed by Friz Freleng)
    *Inki at the Circus (1947)
    *A Feather in His Hare (1948)
    *Nothing But the Tooth (1948)
    *Which is Witch? (1949)
    *Caveman Inki (1950)
    *Tom Tom Tomcat (1953)
    *Hare-abian Nights (1959)
    *Horse Hare (1960)
    *Hocus Pocus Pow-wow (1968)
    *Injun Trouble (1969)

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    In addition to that list there's also

    - Buddy in Africa
    - Buddy of the Apes
    - Going to Heaven on a Mule
    - September in the Rain
    - Injun Trouble (w/ Porky)
    - Scape Trouble
    - Confederate Honey
    - The Hardships of Miles Standish
    - Malibu Beach Party
    - Any Bonds Today?
    - Fresh Hare
    - Tokio Jokio
    - Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips
    - Hocus Pocus Pow-Wow
    - Injun Trouble [w/ Cool Cat).
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    "Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt" is one that should be overlooked and put on a Platinum Collection volume. It's a classic short that shouldn't be viewed as offensive. Little Hiawatha is just a cartoon character who happens to be Native American. He's not representive of or meant to ridicule Native Americans any more than Elmer Fudd is representive of or meant to ridicule white people.

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    The rule of thumb should be; if you can't picture Cartoon Network running it (or if it loses more than a minute of footage), it should be in this set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat-Fan Beyond View Post
    "Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt" is one that should be overlooked and put on a Platinum Collection volume. It's a classic short that shouldn't be viewed as offensive. Little Hiawatha is just a cartoon character who happens to be Native American. He's not representive of or meant to ridicule Native Americans any more than Elmer Fudd is representive of or meant to ridicule white people.
    True. They don't even use the scalping stereotype with him. Funny, as both this and Nothing But the Tooth were mainstays on CN/TNT through the 90's. The latter film played the scalp thing to the hilt. That guy was on a mission to get Porky's scalp.
    Then, after the merger, and the post-48's began arriving to the rotation, all of that stuff was dropped. Hiawatha was even remastered in that major project they did, yet didn't air after that.
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    Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt was included on the Academy Awards Animation Collection, if nothing else.
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