"Dragon Ball Z Kai" Episodes 28-35 Talkback (Spoilers)

[Bryan]

Nicktoons Talkback: Dragon Ball Z Kai

Wednesday, July 7 at 8PM ET
#28 “The Countdown to Battle Begins! Enter, The Ginyu Force!”
Vegeta intercepts Krillin and Gohan on their mad dash to get powered up by the Eldest Namekian, but larger problems loom on the horizon. Brace yourselves for the arrival of the Ginyu Force!

Thursday, July 8 at 8PM ET
#29 “First Up for the Ginyu Force! Guldo’s Time Freeze!”
Gohan and Krillin fight to survive against Guldo, a member of the Ginyu Force who possesses awesome psychic abilities! With Goku still in space and Vegeta their only ally, things look bleak for Earth’s heroes.

Wednesday, July 14 at 8PM ET
#30 “The Nightmare Recoome! Come Out and Play, Vegeta!”
Vegeta ramps his battle power up to impressive levels, but he’s still no match for the Ginyu goons. To escape death, he’ll need help from some heroic former enemies. Meanwhile, Frieza tries to unlock the magic of the Dragon Balls!

Thursday, July 15 at 8PM ET
#31 “Goku Arrives At Last! Take Down the Ginyu Force!”
At long last, Goku finally completes his journey from Earth and arrives on planet Namek. His friends are gravely injured, but the mighty Saiyan warrior has a bag full of magic beans and a powerful secret!

Wednesday, July 21 at 8PM ET
#32 “The Star Player Appears! Ginyu vs. Goku!”
As Frieza prepares for his ruthless interrogation of the Eldest Namekian, Goku shows off the benefits of training in gravity one hundred times that of Earth. Will it be enough to help him defeat Captain Ginyu?

Thursday, July 22 at 8PM ET
#33 “Full Power, Goku! Captain Ginyu’s Attack!”
Frieza locates the Eldest Namekian, but Nail intercepts the evil entity, risking his own life to preserve the Dragon Balls. Elsewhere, Gohan and Krillin rescue a damsel from some dinosaurs, and Goku continues his battle with Cpt. Ginyu.

Wednesday, July 28 at 8PM ET
#34 “Surprise! Goku is Ginyu and Ginyu is Goku!”
Gohan and Krillin unearth the Dragon Balls, but their attempts to summon the dragon fail miserably. Later, Cpt. Ginyu’s devious strategy forces Earth’s warriors to do the unthinkable: attack Goku’s flesh and bones with chilling ferocity!

Thursday, July 29 at 8PM ET
#35 “Goku’s Comeback! Call Forth Porunga!”
Goku and his body are reunited, but the noble Saiyan is severely injured and unable to fight. A Namekian messenger rushes to assist Gohan and Krillin in summoning the dragon, but there’s no guarantee he’ll arrive before Frieza.

Previous Episode Talkback Threads:

• Episodes 1-8
• Episodes 9-11
• Episodes 12-15
• Episodes 16-19
• Episodes 20-23
• Episodes 24-27

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[PC!]

Wow, the Ginyu Force is arriving today?

This should be quite the day for discussion in the Dragonball commmunity.

[Zach Logan]

For the first time in a while, I have no prior knowledge on who's playing a recasted character. I like it.

[Gold Guy]

I'm kinda glad that the show is only on twice a week now. It'll help the dub get ahead a bit.

[FantasyAlchemist]

The dub must be slowing down to give Funi more time to dub more episodes. If we kept doing 4 episodes a week the show might go on hiatus.

I say Funi is around or past episode 50 in dubbing right now.

[bleachj0j]

good night today. On Dbz the ginyu force is back and on Naruto Oruchimaru vs naruto 4 tails.

[GWOtaku]

What's with Goku's comment that he could definitely handle 9x or 10x Kaioken? Was that old DBZ filler where he fires a 20x Kamehameha to save his ship just mistranslated or not canon?

I like the bit where Vegeta thinks Goku is in Guru's house, only to be confronted by Gohan. Yep, lots of crazy growth in this arc.

I'm hoping that goofy song stays for the Ginyu Force introduction.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Wow, Reacoom's the only one who wasn't recast. >__________________________________<

Ghurd: Greg Ayres
Reacoom: Chris Sabat
Butta: Vic Mignogna
Jheese: ?
Ginyû: R.Bruce Elliot

Sabat sings 'Ginyû Force Rules'.

Reacoom sounds...gah. >_<

[G1Ravage]

Jheese: Jason Liebrecht
ReaCoom: Christopher Sabat
Butta: Vic Mignogna
Ginyu: R. Bruce Elliot
Ghurd: Greg Ayres
Grand Elder: Bill Jenkins

Interestingly, in the credits, it says "GRAND ELDER (GURU)".

[GingaDaiuchuu]

Interestingly, in the credits, it says "GRAND ELDER (GURU)".

It also says Jeice is voiced by Maxey Whitehead, Dende is voiced by Chris Ayres, and Frieza is voiced by Monica Rial...

[FantasyAlchemist]

Jheese: Jason Liebrecht
ReaCoom: Christopher Sabat
Butta: Vic Mignogna
Ginyu: R. Bruce Elliot
Ghurd: Greg Ayres
Grand Elder: Bill Jenkins

Interestingly, in the credits, it says "GRAND ELDER (GURU)".

Jeice
Recoome
Burter
Ginyu
Guldo

You got the names all wrong.

I'm sort of disappointed that all of the recasts are Funi actors. It said the Ginyu force would be voiced by an all star cast, so I expected non-Funi actors.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Jeice
Recoome
Burter
Ginyu
Guldo

You got the names all wrong.

Not if you read FUNimation's subtitles.

I'm sort of disappointed that all of the recasts are Funi actors. It said the Ginyu force would be voiced by an all star cast, so I expected non-Funi actors.

They used the same term for Onec Piece and Fullmetal Alchemist. It's really just marketing lingo for building hype.

[jph139]

Ha! They dubbed the Ginyu song. Badass.

Again, loving the politics of this arc. New baddies come and now Krillin and Gohan gather up the Dragon Balls for Vegeta! WHAT!? It's like... whoa!

[PC!]

I know it's completely unfair to judge the voices on 2 or 3 words, but it sounds like the Ginyu Force have even goofier voices than before.

But hey, at least they probably don't have silly accents, right? =) Right...?

I'll miss Australian Jeice... =(

[G1Ravage]

It also says Jeice is voiced by Maxey Whitehead, Dende is voiced by Chris Ayres, and Frieza is voiced by Monica Rial...

The credits that aired on Nicktoons TV this evening were correct. Maybe the online credits were wrong.

[Kaiser0120]

I know it's completely unfair to judge the voices on 2 or 3 words, but it sounds like the Ginyu Force have even goofier voices than before.

But hey, at least they probably don't have silly accents, right? =) Right...?

I'll miss Australian Jeice... =(

You shouldn't.

http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/cli...ze-clip-1.html

[GingaDaiuchuu]

The credits that aired on Nicktoons TV this evening were correct. Maybe the online credits were wrong.

Yeah, those were the credits I was reading.

[PC!]

You shouldn't.

http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/cli...ze-clip-1.html

Huh. If Jeice is going to have his silly accent still, they may as well have let Sabat continue to voice him.

Recoome sounds less goofy, and I really like Bruce Elliot's Ginyu. I was sad when I heard Brice Armstrong wouldn't be reprising the role, but Bruce Elliot actually sounds a bit smoother and more natural.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted by GWOtaku
What's with Goku's comment that he could definitely handle 9x or 10x Kaioken? Was that old DBZ filler where he fires a 20x Kamehameha to save his ship just mistranslated or not canon?

Uh, no it's canon. Goku is saying that thanks to the training he went through NOW he can do a 9X or 10X times Kaioken, when before he couldn't even handle a 4 times Kaio Ken. The "20 times kaio ken" was a bad filler flub but it has nothing to do with this since Goku isn't talking about doing a 9 or 10times kaio ken before but being able to do one now.

Spoiler:

I think it was stated that Goku's power level when he arrives on Namek is 180,000 regular. And with 10X KaioKen he'd be 1,800,000. When he rejunivates after the Ginyu battle his regular is 300,000, and he is able to get up to 3 Million using Kaio Ken X 10 spurts. King Kai explans during his fight with Freiza Goku is able to use these spurts at a level where no one can really see him do it but even Times 10 isn't enough to hurt Freiza. As even a X20 Kaio Ken Goku is 6 million, which is only around Freiza's 50 Percent maximum.

Getting past the casting this is actually a very well paced episode in the original and it translates well into Kai. I always did feel they sort of rushed the whole "Vegeta, Gohan and Krillin work together to gather the Dragon Balls" twist but I guess it makes sense considering it was just a last resort. Sort of a shame we never got to see Nail smack around Vegeta though considering at this point at full power he could of. Then again probably wouldn't do it around the Great Elder's house. I also liked the English Ginyu force theme. I really don't know why people are really concerned about the Ginyu Force's voices though: I mean

Spoiler:

In Kai they don't even last till episode 35

So we won't be hearing them for that long. And for that matter we just heard them say they're names and pose and didn't really get a sampling on they're voices. So I really don't think they'll wind up being that bad.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Uh, no it's canon. Goku is saying that thanks to the training he went through NOW he can do a 9X or 10X times Kaioken, when before he couldn't even handle a 4 times Kaio Ken. The "20 times kaio ken" was a bad filler flub but it has nothing to do with this since Goku isn't talking about doing a 9 or 10times kaio ken before but being able to do one now.

Spoiler:

I think it was stated that Goku's power level when he arrives on Namek is 180,000 regular. And with 10X KaioKen he'd be 1,800,000. When he rejunivates after the Ginyu battle his regular is 300,000, and he is able to get up to 3 Million using Kaio Ken X 10 spurts. King Kai explans during his fight with Freiza Goku is able to use these spurts at a level where no one can really see him do it but even Times 10 isn't enough to hurt Freiza. As even a X20 Kaio Ken Goku is 6 million, which is only around Freiza's 50 Percent maximum.

In Dragon Ball Z #50, Gokû uses a Kamehame-Ha and a 'full power' Kamehame-Ha. In FUNimation's first dub (the 'Ocean dub', episode #38 "A Collision Course", Peter Kelamis' Gokû says 'Keiô-ken times ten' and 'times twenty' errorneously...not once does he say 'Kamehame-Ha').

Also, you've got your numbers mixed up a bit (these are common mistakes amongst the more casual fans so don't fret, yo!):

Spoiler:

Gokû does say he now thinks he can handle a Ten-Times Kaiô-ken at this point. Against Ginyû he uses a regular/two-times Kaiô-ken, which doubles his power and speed. Since the figure of 180,000 is while he is using the Kaiô-ken his battle power without the Kaiô-ken is 90,000. This is why Gokû couldn't break out of Ginyû's grip (and why he thinks to himself he has to use the Kaiô-ken) when Ginyû had captured him.

Against Freeza Son Gokû's normal battle power peaked at three million. Not three hundred thousand. Three million. Using the twenty-times Kaiô-ken he hit sixty million. Freeza, who at the timec was using half of his power, was of course at sixty million himself. As a Super Saiyan Gokû topped at one hundred fifty million (150,000,000). At one hundred perfect power, Freeza tapped out at one hundred twenty million. Not fifteen million, not twelve million. From Kanzentai's battle power guide:

Daizenshuu 7's battle powers for both Freeza's full power and Super Saiyan Goku are commonly said to be only 12 and 15 million, respectively, while normal Goku is given as 300,000 and Freeza at 50% as 6 million. This misconception most likely traces back to the Ultimate DBZ Information Site, a very influential English DragonBall fan site in the 90s that was run by Greg Werner. On the "Little Known Dragon Ball Z Facts" page, item 26 provides a list of all battle powers from the manga or daizenshuu, and it gives these numbers for Goku and Freeza.

Werner prided himself on creating all of his site's content, and much of his site consisted of things he took from Daizenshuu 7, so it's unlikely that he relied on someone else to make his list. Countless other fan sites relied on Werner's site for information (and often flat-out stole his content), so this mistranslation spread throughout the English-speaking DragonBall fan community. In particular, the popular site Planet Namek also used 12 and 15 million in their power levels list, color-coding them as being from the daizenshuu. It is possible that SkullMac, the man responsible for maintaining Planet Namek's power list, made the same translation mistake as Werner, but it's more likely that he relied upon Werner's site for these numbers.

At any rate, how would someone mistranslate these numbers? Well, this is the way those battle powers are written in Daizenshuu 7:

Goku: 300万
Super Saiyan Goku: 1億5000万
Freeza 50%: 6000万
Freeza 100%: 1 億2000万

"万" (man) is the kanji for 10 thousand, while "億" (oku) represents 100 million. So if you do the math, "300 man" is 3 million and "1 oku, 5 thousand man" is 150 million. But it's easy to see how someone not too experienced with the Japanese number system could make a mistake converting them, especially since all the previous battle powers in this section of Daizenshuu 7 are written purely in Arabic numerals, with no kanji or mathematical conversion required. For additional information on the Japanese number system, view the "Battle Powers in the manga" page.

This sort of 'spoils' information about the end of the arc...but it's hard to imagine nobody knows how it is going to end.