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    I think this is the first show I love how they display Spider-Man's strength in
    Fury's line: "The one who made this plan should step forward, out of this team"
    Aahh, what happened to "they need discipline? Training to cause the least possible damage and subdue the enemy in the least time necessary to finish the job?

    Coulson > Everybody else
    His head design and animation still reminds me of HISHE (how it should have ended)
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    I wonder if the supporting heroes will get any spotlight on their lives and backgrounds in this show. I know it's Spidey's show, but still.
    It should, the good stories don't ignore the background of any of its characters, if this one is good enough it will explain them before the end of season 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudley View Post
    If there's one character I don't like on the show, it's White Tiger. Almost every other line coming out of her mouth is "you guys are all stupid!" or something of that effect.
    Because they were. I'm liking her because she calls them out on their crud.

    She was completely in the right and nothing wrong with what she said.

    If it had been one of the male characters that said it, no one would be saying jack about it.

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    Eh, it feels like a campy 80's cartoon but with allot better animation.

    I sort of knew it would be like that, when I heard Man Of Action was behind it.
    Those guys are just making dragged out toy commercials..... more obvious then others.

    Also it feels as if this could have been a Deadpool series, with all the Family guy like humor.

    I will continue watching it even if it makes my eyes spin in 360. It's Spider-man with amazing animation and that's why. The only why.


    Anyway this episode had cool animation and Dr Doom was the only thing I liked here.

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    As a huge Spider-Man fan I really, really want to enjoy this show and I do enjoy certain aspects of it. This episode was a step-up from the two-part opener for sure but it still isn't clicking 100% for me. I'm going to stick with the show for a little bit longer to see if we'll actually get some improvements. It's not a bad show but it's not great either. It just seems a bit mediocre. I still like the voice actor playing Spider-Man but this show is really light on characterization and I think that is going to start becoming an issue if we want to actually get invested in any of these characters. Seeing Dr. Doom was very cool however and I'm getting more used to the whole 'ultimate friends' thing. Not bad but needs to get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom Melendez View Post
    Because they were. I'm liking her because she calls them out on their crud.

    She was completely in the right and nothing wrong with what she said.

    If it had been one of the male characters that said it, no one would be saying jack about it.
    Just because she's calling them out in their mistakes doesn't mean she's not annoying about it. She fits the stereotypical "Eww, boys are dumb! You guys are idiots and I'm ALWAYS right!" attitude that is very bothersome, just as much as Spidey and Nova were. Not to mention it's not like she did diddly-squat to stop the two, or to stop them from going in the plane, or even said anything to Fury before. So much for being the "responsible" one.

    And don't make this into a sexism argument. It would have been just as annoying hearing it from Luke or Danny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M.O.D.O.K. View Post
    Just because she's calling them out in their mistakes doesn't mean she's not annoying about it. She fits the stereotypical "Eww, boys are dumb! You guys are idiots and I'm ALWAYS right!" attitude that is very bothersome, just as much as Spidey and Nova were. Not to mention it's not like she did diddly-squat to stop the two, or to stop them from going in the plane, or even said anything to Fury before. So much for being the "responsible" one.
    I do seem to recall her saying something about how they're not going to fly to Latveria and fight Dr. Doom, and then the doors closed and the plane took off anyway.

    Anyway, the point of the episode in many ways was that they all contributed to the problem. First, Spidey and Nova's feud ruins their training session. Then, Power Man suggests they do something to prove themselves to Fury. Then White Tiger gets the bright idea to go catch a supervillian. And it's then that Spidey and Nova's feud takes over and gets them all in over their heads. The only one who really didn't do anything was Iron Fist, and he seems willing to bear the blame simply for going along with the whole thing.
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    I actually didn't like this episode as much as the pilot because I fear this show might fall into a typical routine of Spidey and the others doing something stupid/irresponsible and "learning" from the experience. There could be character development down the line, sure, I was just a little offput by it.

    It was great seeing Doom as such a threat, but, how much of his SHIELD file did they read? Sure, he's on their wanted list, but going to Latveria to take him down would cause an international incident! There are protocols and such!

    Humor still continues to entertain, me though. "So Nicholas, how was your day?"

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    Also, I swear to God, Thor, AND Darkseid if I see that stupid jetpack gag one more time I will actually go crazy and commit a murder...
    Whoa...

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamYJ View Post
    I know her from the Avengers Academy comics, so I kind of know her story. Her big brother was the original White Tiger, who was the first big Latino superhero. So she's a bit of a perfectionist and she tries a little too hard to show what she's capable of because she's got big shoes to fill.
    Was that before or after she was a supporting player in Daredevil?

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    Oh, and Coulson is surprisingly funny.
    You're surprised? He's hilarious in the live action movies, and I thought his antics translated well here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    Though one thing that really annoys me about this episode is that kinda goes against the premise... Spidey is supposed to lack training, but have experience while the rest of the team has the training but none of the experience. As such, Spidey should actually be the voice of reason on the team.
    That'd be great to see. And also, ya know, experienced heroes giving them training sessions.

    Quote Originally Posted by NBM05 View Post
    Anyway, in my mind, between Green Lantern, Young Justice, Avengers, and USM, it's a fantastic time to be a fan of superhero cartoons.
    Agreed. Ditto live action movies (on the Marvel side, anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by LostAnarchist View Post
    The problem is obvious - Spider Man's story is and has always been a serious one - to see so much comedy in this, especially forced BTW (unlike Teen Titans, which did this right, IMHO - and at least Generator Rex tried to tell a story, despite the flawed humor...) - this show just feels... aimless and wrong (especially in its execution)...
    I wouldn't say Spider-Man's that serious. I mean, he's not Batman or even Daredevil, but there should be a sense that not everything is light for him. He jokes around, but he's always the underdog getting screwed over by the universe.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamYJ View Post
    The fact that this is kind of a "Marvel" show is kind of what I like about it. I mean, the way I see it, there have been only certain Marvel characters or groups that have gotten their own cartoons in my lifetime: Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Hulk, Silver Surfer and the Avengers. Some were more popular, some were less popular. Some lasted a long time while some only lasted a season or two. And unless something comes along that really shakes up that pattern, this will probably continue to be the case. That means that there will be a lot of really cool Marvel characters, locales and concepts that will not get touched on unless they get attached to a more popular idea. The Heroes for Hire will probably never get their own cartoon, but they get to be on this Spider-Man one. This opinion applies to some of the older shows too. Unless maybe someone makes a modern FF cartoon that lasts longer than two seasons (something that's proving doubtful) we probably wouldn't have gotten to see Counter-Earth except for Spider-man Unlimited. The chances of seeing Falcon or Tigra animated would be pretty slim if it weren't for the '99 Avengers cartoon.
    I feel we're at the mercy of live action movies (then again, we never did get a Daredevil cartoon) and that Luke Cage and Iron Fist could get a bump that gives them a cartoon after their movie. Look what having live action movies did for Blade!

    As far as Falcon goes, I don't credit that Avengers cartoon too much. He's one of the most high profile non-mutant black heroes who isn't covered in head to toe with a costume, so he was the logical choice for SHS for the sake of diversity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 90'sCartoonMan View Post
    Was that before or after she was a supporting player in Daredevil?
    I didn't know she was ever in Daredevil. I don't read Daredevil because I find him kind of on the depressing side. All I know is that she's a character in Avengers Academy right now. It could have been the previous White Tiger, who also had her own miniseries. The current White Tiger is Ava Ayala, who is Hector Ayala's little sister. The previous White Tiger was Angela Del Torro, who was Hector Ayala's cousin. There have been, like, five White Tigers all together.

    I forgoit to mention in my earlier assessment of the character that there's also something weird about her tiger amulets where she might get possessed by a feral tiger god if she doesn't maintain control. So, yeah, she's got some issues.

    I feel we're at the mercy of live action movies (then again, we never did get a Daredevil cartoon) and that Luke Cage and Iron Fist could get a bump that gives them a cartoon after their movie. Look what having live action movies did for Blade!

    As far as Falcon goes, I don't credit that Avengers cartoon too much. He's one of the most high profile non-mutant black heroes who isn't covered in head to toe with a costume, so he was the logical choice for SHS for the sake of diversity.
    I forgot all about Superhero Squad. I also forgot that they apparently made animated shows for Blade and Black Panther. They just kind of flew that low under my radar.
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    I finally found the time to watch this episode yesterday. So far, it's okay. The interaction between Spider-Man and Nova was kind of interesting and funny, but as it went on, it felt overdone. Like they were trying to be funny. Speaking of funny, I didn't find the jet-pack to be humorous at all. I thought it was a little annoying. I still don't like the use of freezing time so Spider-Man can over-explain things.

    But overall, I'm warming up to this show, and I look forward to the next episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudley View Post
    If there's one character I don't like on the show, it's White Tiger. Almost every other line coming out of her mouth is "you guys are all stupid!" or something of that effect.
    I don't know, I was pretty much saying the exact same thing all throughout the episode. Maybe she's supposed to be the audience surrogate.

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    I'm sad to admit i can no longer continue watching this show. It is far too childish and i feel this a poor representation of the Spiderman character. Throughout this episode Peter made numerous decisions, which made no logical sense, for the sake of his ego. He is meant to have a genius intellect, yet he is repeatly making the mistakes of a petulant child. In addition to this, the constant , 'funny moments' are a distraction and i feel unsuitable for this type of show.

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    I greatly dislike this episode. I hope that it will be the last of its kind in this show. It wasn't funny, and the characters are all unlikeable. It just was... pathetic. I gave this episode one star. I'll be watching the three next episodes before I decide to bail out of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamYJ View Post
    I didn't know she was ever in Daredevil. I don't read Daredevil because I find him kind of on the depressing side. All I know is that she's a character in Avengers Academy right now. It could have been the previous White Tiger, who also had her own miniseries. The current White Tiger is Ava Ayala, who is Hector Ayala's little sister. The previous White Tiger was Angela Del Torro, who was Hector Ayala's cousin. There have been, like, five White Tigers all together.
    Ah, that was Angela in Daredevil. Her I liked.

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    I forgot all about Superhero Squad. I also forgot that they apparently made animated shows for Blade and Black Panther. They just kind of flew that low under my radar.
    Yeah, plus that Black Panther cartoon never aired. Blade's not a superhero per se (and you can only market him so much when he's chopping things' heads off and stabbing people in the chest), and as I mentioned, T'Challa (and even Rhodey) are covered head to toe so on first glance you may not know they aren't white. Falcon's got that base covered (that is, until Luke Cage's rising popularity is enough to eclipse him).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 90'sCartoonMan View Post
    Ah, that was Angela in Daredevil. Her I liked.
    I liked her too. I bought her miniseries. Why they didn't just deage Angela for the role in this show, I'll never know. A younger version of her would probably even fit the personality type for this White Tiger. "Overachieving perfectionist" sounds about right for someone who goes on to be an FBI agent.

    Yeah, plus that Black Panther cartoon never aired. Blade's not a superhero per se (and you can only market him so much when he's chopping things' heads off and stabbing people in the chest), and as I mentioned, T'Challa (and even Rhodey) are covered head to toe so on first glance you may not know they aren't white. Falcon's got that base covered (that is, until Luke Cage's rising popularity is enough to eclipse him).
    I don't know, maybe it's me, but I really don't quite get the appeal of modern Cage. The 1970s G-rated black-exploitation superhero seems more fun. The current version is just some dude who hangs with the Avengers and so far, the Power Man on this shoiw hasn't really done anything.

    Then again, I may just have a weakness for the old-school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexnvrmnd View Post
    This episode was God awful. This show is God awful. The cutaways aren't even close to being funny, and it's just way too silly. They've turned Spider-man into freakin' Teen Titans, maybe even worse. After the first two episodes, I was ready to chuck the show, but I figured I'd give it another shot. No more; I'm done.
    You're done?
    Good.

    This show is fairly decent. Not great. Not perfect. Not "The Spectacular Spider-Man", to be sure.
    But it's far, far, FAR from "god awful".
    And anyone who doesn't like Teen Titans has horrendous taste in my book.

    I'm enjoying what I've seen of it thus far. I hope to see more soon. I can't wait to see what this show does with Wolverine, Hulk, and the other characters it's got lined up.

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    I thought this episode was decent. I'm starting to get used to Drake Bell's voice, and at first I wasn't a fan of Doom's voice based off one of the preview clips, but hearing it out throughout the episode, I liked it. It was awesome to see Doom so early and so close to his appearance in EMH.

    The humour was hit or miss here. The jetpack gag got old real quick, but I did like Coulson's going native, Nova as a baby and Spidey, Fury and Doom having dinner.

    White Tiger was annoying in this one, but I understood where she was coming from, since Spidey and Nova were acting like idiots. But since Cage and Iron Fist weren't, she didn't need to classify all boys as stupid. Hopefully she'll move on from that characterization quickly.
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    I know, that's why i mention him of doing the serious stuff, i doubt the comedy we have seen in this show is done by Dini unless i'm wrong.
    You probably are. Sure he has less influence on the show than Man of Action, but he's still a consultant for the show, and he did write the first two episodes, and like WC Reaf said, he's no stranger to writing more comedy oriented cartoons. Not to mention he did have the idea to have Spidey break the 4th wall independent from the other guys involved in USM. I get that Dini is a fan favourite, but he's very much involved in this show, so whether you like it or don't, Dini deserves credit/blame.
    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post

    They kind of tried to make up for it at the end by having him come up with the plan, but really by then I feel it was too late... Going after doom was a MASSIVE mistake.
    Yeah, that was pretty much the point of the episode.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy Lee View Post
    But, this show is insulting on so many levels. Their main character is so unlikable and unitelligent. He is not even remotely close to the portrayal of Spider-man we have seen since its creation. I am now firmly in the camp of "I can't believe they cancelled Spectacular Spider-man for this!"
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    I couldn't resist a Doom episode and of coarse I was disappointed. I mean what is going on? why did they cancel spectacular spider-man for this? it just makes me angry.
    They kinda didn't. Due to Sony selling back the the animation rights for Spider-Man to Marvel, but not the trademarks for Spectacular Spider-Man, Marvel couldn't make more Spectacular even if they wanted to. So basically their only choice was a new Spidey toon.


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    Although this is only episode 3, we're starting to see a pattern where they are really making this series out to be a teen drama like everything else on DXD.
    How is this in anyway like a teen drama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamYJ View Post
    I liked her too. I bought her miniseries. Why they didn't just deage Angela for the role in this show, I'll never know. A younger version of her would probably even fit the personality type for this White Tiger. "Overachieving perfectionist" sounds about right for someone who goes on to be an FBI agent.
    It wouldn't have worked. Besides, Ava is Hector Ayala's sister and since they mentioned that the White Tiger mantle is a family Legacy, we'll probably see her reference Hector at some point, maybe Angela too.

    Plus, Ava actually wants to be a hero, while Angela kinda didn't.Ángela wasn't exactly an overachiever either. I like both in any case.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamYJ View Post
    I do seem to recall her saying something about how they're not going to fly to Latveria and fight Dr. Doom, and then the doors closed and the plane took off anyway.
    Yup, she was telling them it was a bad idea, Spidey agreed, but then Nova locked the ships door as she walked in and they took off.




    Quote Originally Posted by AdamYJ View Post
    I know her from the Avengers Academy comics, so I kind of know her story. Her big brother was the original White Tiger, who was the first big Latino superhero. So she's a bit of a perfectionist and she tries a little too hard to show what she's capable of because she's got big shoes to fill. I suppose without any backstory she just seems like a jerk for no reason, though.

    I wonder if the supporting heroes will get any spotlight on their lives and backgrounds in this show. I know it's Spidey's show, but still.
    They said they would, so yeah.

    It seems the Taskmaster episode focuses on Spidey and White Tiger, so we'll probably get more on her there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suss2it View Post
    Yeah, that was pretty much the point of the episode.
    With great power, comes great responsibility... and chances to ignore responsibility for the sake of one-up-manship
    No really, THAT was what I found to be the worse thing about this mistake; its a clear and blatant violation of Spidey's defining credo. He even openly acknowledges that what they are doing is irresponsible and dangerous but in the same breath decides to ignore it for no good reason. Sure there have been times when Spidey faltered or failed to follow his credo, but it was generally in cases when the mistakes were easier to miss, when he buckled under the pressure that comes with trying to carry on such a burden, or when he believed he may be doing more harm than good. This is just plain stupid and irresponsible.

    Hell what makes it even worse is that just LAST EPISODE, Spidey was turning down Fury's offer because he did not want to lead a bunch of novices into danger... That was pretty good moment for spidey (though i might argue it was both responsible and irresponsible given the circumstances... kinda of a grey area)... So what does he do just one episode later? He leads them into a fight with one of Marvel's most dangerous villains.

    And its not JUST a mistake, but a NOVICE mistake. Spidey is supposed to be leading this team because he is the one who has the experience fighting super-powered baddies. And yet on his first day he makes a mistake that only novices would make; getting overconfident and charging against an A-list villain. THIS would have been the time for Spidey to step up and show WHY he's gonna lead this team; the team should have been the novices that charge into certain doom, while spidey is the one who warns them not too and then pulls their butts out of the fire; it would have even been a great way for Spidey to earn the team's respect. As it is, Spidey makes the same mistakes as the novices.

    And the basic premise is even off... They believe that they needed to take down a super villain to prove they were ready. And yet just last episode they took down 3 of the frightful four; they already proved themselves. Granted, you could argue that spidey did most of the work and thus the team still needs to prove themselves... But spidey himself should still not feel he needs to prove himself

    How is this in anyway like a teen drama?
    Well Peter is getting agnsty about the others invading his personal life and they are openly interfering, and hanging out with his friends. It becomes more obvious in the following Venom episode. Though i would not say that teen drama itself is a problem since a big part about spiderman is the drama that goes on in his normal life as he tries to balance things out... though the execution may still come under scrutiny.
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    I really like.....

    like the look and feel of the show. Great action sequences, designs and VA. I even like the snarky/wise cracking take on the Peter Parker/SpiderMan character.

    What I find disappointing is the jokes aren't funny. I wouldn't mind the cut aways and anime features if they made me chuckle; but so far they just break up the flow of the action with no reward.

    It's hard to be funny all the time, but with the number of attempts in the first three episodes, I would think they could at least got lucky once or twice?

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