"Ultimate Spider-Man (Animated Series)" News & Discussion Thread, Part 3 (Spoilers)

[W.C.Reaf]

Did you feel the same way about Young Justice?

No, for a couple of reasons:

1) YJ still retains the basic themes of the comic, 'young heroes bonded by friendship and adventure team-up despite reservations from the Justice League.' That describes what happens in both the cartoon and the comic.

2) YJ was never meant to be like the comic and was never promoted as such. The logo used and the first promo released are taken from the comic, suggesting this will be an adaption of the comic. While the show may not have meant to be like the comic it sure wasn't promoted that way.

3) It is such a departure from the comic. YJ was still a team of teens and it was still Robin, Superboy, and a Flash, it felt close enough to the comic but viewed through a different lens. This show doesn't feel anything like the comic (see the 2099 example), though we don't know yet since we haven't seen how it will be executed.

4) It's my own opinion and this show feels like a bigger disconnect from the comics than YJ to me. Maybe because I love the Ult Spidey comics more than YJ comics (which I still love but haven't read as much of), maybe it's because I'm a hypocrite.

[CyclonatorZ]

All I have to say is: they canceled Spectacular Spiderman for this? It seems Spidey just cant catch a break, either in animation or live action.

[suss2it]

No, for a couple of reasons:

1) YJ still retains the basic themes of the comic, 'young heroes bonded by friendship and adventure team-up despite reservations from the Justice League.' That describes what happens in both the cartoon and the comic.

If we're gonna be that broad, than I still don't see the difference between what Marvel is doing with this. "Young Peter Parker is also the superhero known as Spider-Man and he interacts with superheroes." That describes both the comics and the show.

2) YJ was never meant to be like the comic and was never promoted as such. The logo used and the first promo released are taken from the comic, suggesting this will be an adaption of the comic. While the show may not have meant to be like the comic it sure wasn't promoted that way.

The first promo released for YJ didn't exactly set itself apart from the comics. It shows a Robin that looks like Tim Drake, a Kid Flash with goggles, the ones that Impulse had, Superboy, a girl who uses archery, very similar to Arrowette and Miss Martian and a new Aqualad. In fact because of that poster many fans thought it was Tim, Bart and Arrowette at first. So if anything the Ultimate Spider-Man & Young Justice promos seem to be parallel. They even both quickly announced that the renowned writers for each comic series would be writing episodes for the respective show.

3) It is such a departure from the comic. YJ was still a team of teens and it was still Robin, Superboy, and a Flash, it felt close enough to the comic but viewed through a different lens. This show doesn't feel anything like the comic (see the 2099 example), though we don't know yet since we haven't seen how it will be executed.

At this point you're just splitting hairs. In the show for YJ they're using different characters entirely than the comics, but that gets an okay from you, simply because they share the same name? But this show doesn't get a pass because... why exactly? And I haven't read all the YJ comics, but from what I did read it is very different from the show. The comic is way more lighthearted and has different character dynamics than the show.

4) It's my own opinion and this show feels like a bigger disconnect from the comics than YJ to me. Maybe because I love the Ult Spidey comics more than YJ comics (which I still love but haven't read as much of), maybe it's because I'm a hypocrite.

See, that's what I think it boils down to. For me, even though I really like what I've read from Ultimate Spider-Man, I'm not gonna allow that to give me pre-concieved notions on how this show should be like. Because really it's only a name, and afterall what's in a name?

[W.C.Reaf]

The first promo released for YJ didn't exactly set itself apart from the comics. It shows a Robin that looks like Tim Drake, a Kid Flash with goggles, the ones that Impulse had, Superboy, a girl who uses archery, very similar to Arrowette and Miss Martian and a new Aqualad. In fact because of that poster many fans thought it was Tim, Bart and Arrowette at first. So if anything the Ultimate Spider-Man & Young Justice promos seem to be parallel. They even both quickly announced that the renowned writers for each comic series would be writing episodes for the respective show.

While the YJ poster didn't point out that it was Dick, Wally, and Artimis, the fact that it was a different line-up then the fairly consistent one from the comics does set it apart. The fact that fans jumped to conclusions doesn't change the fact that YJ wasn't promoted as an adaption of the comic. That they used artwork from the Ult Spider-Man comic has lead to people thinking at the beginning it would be an adaption when it isn't. It also helps that YJ is closer to the comics than Ul Spidey is looking at the moment.

At this point you're just splitting hairs.

I'll cop to that.

See, that's what I think it boils down to. For me, even though I really like what I've read from Ultimate Spider-Man, I'm not gonna allow that to give me pre-concieved notions on how this show should be like.

As I said it's my opinion that this is worse than the YJ name. I'll still watch a few episodes and either like it despite the name or not because of the content of the show.

Because really it's only a name, and afterall what's in a name?

If the name doesn't fit then it's just a poor name. It could also lead to people picking up the comics thinking it'll be like the cartoon then putting down again when they find out it's not. Fan backlash will be minimal at best considering the viewers will be a lot higher than those buying the comics. But it could stop people getting into the comics, which is a problem.

And another name example I just thought of: it'd be like if Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes was instead called The Ultimates.

[young101]

If this is marvel's take on spiderman, they frankly should have just called it spiderman and dropped ultimate in the name.

Theres clearly contradictory statements going around. Especially with Loeb saying that this show is an extension of people who have worked on spiderman and that it connects with the comics. I haven't read ultimate, but I dont think spiderman pulls off teen titans goofy-esque acts. Loeb's statement is clearly clashing with the fact that they want to do a new take on a spiderman cartoon show.

[Mad Hatter]

If this is marvel's take on spiderman, they frankly should have just called it spiderman and dropped ultimate in the name.

Theres clearly contradictory statements going around. Especially with Loeb saying that this show is an extension of people who have worked on spiderman and that it connects with the comics. I haven't read ultimate, but I dont think spiderman pulls off teen titans goofy-esque acts. Loeb's statement is clearly clashing with the fact that they want to do a new take on a spiderman cartoon show.

That's the thing. This ISN'T Marvel's take on Ultimate Spider-Man (yeah, I know Marvel Studios is controlling this, but hear me out). They produce the comics, after all. They should know how to do Ultimate Spidey. After all, BENDIS was involved in the creation of the show. He seriously had no problems with this? It's hilarious that when Spider-Man wasn't directly controlled by Marvel Studios, like, I don't know, IN SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN, it was AWESOME. And now...now we have Spidey becoming a toaster. Allow me to put this link here: you may click on it to see my reaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s&feature=related

*sigh* I liked Teen Titans. I did, even if the chibification and the physical humor gags got tired after a very short time (like two episodes). But, dear GOD, is that style wrong for Spider-Man. I love Spider-Man SO MUCH, and I wish SSM was continued, but when this show was announced, I was ecstatic, since I love Ultimate Spider-Man's early days (not recently though. It got too unnecessarily emo or just stupid for me after a while.), and would love to see the early storied on screen. And to answer your inquiry about whether the comics are like this, young 101: NO THEY AREN'T.

Next thing you know they'll tell us the Uncle Ben is still alive, J. Jonah Jameson is Peter's real father, and all of the villains in the rogue gallery go to high school with Parker. I'm just saying. Anything can happen at this point.

Spider-Ham? REALLY? I mean the nerd in me is like "Spider-Ham on TV? AWESOME!!!" But...really? REALLY? Dear God, the world is falling apart. Someone give me good news. ANYBODY!!!

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[Dragnatek]

All I have to say is: they canceled Spectacular Spiderman for this? It seems Spidey just cant catch a break, either in animation or live action.

Spectacular Spider-man probably would have been cancelled regardless. The show suffered from Peter Parker level bad luck, especially with timing. Had Spectacular Spider-man been made two years earlier or two years later then it had the show probably would have lasted twice as long.

What probably killed Spectacular Spider-man more then anything was that the show premiered on Kids WB(CW) months before the before the block died.

And yeah Bendis had no problem with this, after all one of the episodes he's writing is a Dr Doom episode with Doombots. Ultimate Doom never (Or very rarely) used Doom Bots and he never faced Spider-man. So obviously Bendis is ok with it not being a straight adaptation of Ultimate Spider-man/

[young101]

I actually had no clue who spider-ham was but I can see that they wanted a batman brave and the bold-fan-like reaction. Even though it may be goofy, it does not necessarily mean they are misrepresenting the material. We haven't actually seen the footage so we can only speculate of course.

I personally think that after this show is done, the next take on spiderman should be a tone and storytelling SSM carried. I'm guessing thats why Greg Weisman doesn't want to answer every single question even though the show got dropped. Who knows, if greg is still alive and everyone still wants spiderman cartoons, we may see a continuation of SSM.

I think we should enjoy everything while its here.

[brickrrb2]

Well was there any other new animation footage at the con? Character designs? Things like that?

[TheVileOne]

Well was there any other new animation footage at the con? Character designs? Things like that?

Yes, check out my report from the Marvel TV panel here:

http://www.toonzone.net/news/article...r-man-revealed

Agent/Principal Coulson based on the movie character is in the show. We got to see some of him. Spider-Man at one point will be turned into Spider-Ham and that design was shown.

The Heroes for Hire (including Luke Cage/Power Man and Iron Fist) were also shown in the new trailer.

I found the tone from the material in the trailer closer to say Batman: The Brave and The Bold and at times Generator Rex (This is a Man of Action show) than Teen Titans.

Also, to the people who are upset about this show, you do know that Ultimate Spider-Man had some really goofy stuff in it sometimes right? Like I don't know, anyone ever read that really goofy issue where Wolverine and Spider-Man swapped bodies and Wolverine attempted to molest Mary Jane? Bendis did weird, meta, and goofy stuff in Ultimate Spider-Man constantly.

[SpaceWay2008]

After reading the news on Ultimate Spider-Man on IGN, my expectations for the series went down a bit. It seems to me that series will take a more goofy direction; which is fine, but I wouldn't want the series to be completely like that. For right now, I'll wait to see any more updates/footage before I judge the series some more.

[Harlequinn]

Yes, check out my report from the Marvel TV panel here:

http://www.toonzone.net/news/article...r-man-revealed

"Drake Josh as Peter Parker/Spider-Man"

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

When I first heard about Spider-Ham appearing on the show, I thought to myself What is this? Is this going to be like Batman: The Brave and the Bold with lots of guest stars, a silly tone, and Spider-Ham as this show's Bat-Mite?

But then I read that the Spider-Ham episode is due to Peter being turned into the Porker by way of magic, and it reminded me of the Justice League Unlimited episode where Wonder Woman is turned into a pig by way of magic. And although that JLU episode was indeed a bit silly, it wasn't detrimental to the series as a whole; So until I see more, I'm not going to get my undies in a twist. Though, I am really hoping this show turns out to be as great as The Spectacular Spider-Man was.

[W.C.Reaf]

Also, to the people who are upset about this show, you do know that Ultimate Spider-Man had some really goofy stuff in it sometimes right? Like I don't know, anyone ever read that really goofy issue where Wolverine and Spider-Man swapped bodies and Wolverine attempted to molest Mary Jane? Bendis did weird, meta, and goofy stuff in Ultimate Spider-Man constantly.

When Spidey gets turned into a toaster and Spider-Ham in the comics, not to mention doing breaking the forth wall jokes, then I'll concede the point.

[BigEclipse]

I find it rather ironic that Drake Bell is voicing Spider-Man when he recently played a parody of the character in the spoof, "Superhero Movie". I wonder if the casting director is aware of this..?

[Mad Hatter]

When I first heard about Spider-Ham appearing on the show, I thought to myself What is this? Is this going to be like Batman: The Brave and the Bold with lots of guest stars, a silly tone, and Spider-Ham as this show's Bat-Mite?

But then I read that the Spider-Ham episode is due to Peter being turned into the Porker by way of magic, and it reminded me of the Justice League Unlimited episode where Wonder Woman is turned into a pig by way of magic. And although that JLU episode was indeed a bit silly, it wasn't detrimental to the series as a whole; So until I see more, I'm not going to get my undies in a twist. Though, I am really hoping this show turns out to be as great as The Spectacular Spider-Man was.

Wait, where did you read that about Spider-Ham? Peter gets turned into him via magic?
...That's actually a LOT better than him being a guest star. I would watch that episode. Still, the toaster thing REALLY bothers me.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Wait, where did you read that about Spider-Ham? Peter gets turned into him via magic?

http://www.toonzone.net/news/article...r-man-revealed

Slides were also shown of The Amazing Spider-Ham because in one episode Spider-Man will be transformed into Spider-Ham because of a magic spell.

[Matt Hazuda]

I live-tweeted the event, but the shots weren't the best. I found two more on my phone of Spider-Ham that are a little better (not much), so here they are.

Spoiler:

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[TheVileOne]

When Spidey gets turned into a toaster and Spider-Ham in the comics, not to mention doing breaking the forth wall jokes, then I'll concede the point.

Yeah all of that has precedence in the comics. Stracynski did fourth wall breaking and meta material. Bendis did it in Ultimate Spider-Man.

All of this is possible in the Marvel universe. Spider-Man has actually turned into a literal spider more than once. He's grown extra arms out of his torso. The Mighty Thor was once turned into a The Mighty Frog.