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    Iron Man: Armored Adventures "Secrets and Lies" Talkback (Spoilers)

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    An all-new episode of Iron Man: Armored Adventures debuts tonight at 7pm (ET) on Nicktoons Network!



    Episode 3 "Secrets and Lies"
    Original Airdate - Friday, May 1st, 2009
    The Mandarin believes Tony can find the missing Makluan Rings, so he reverts back to his true identity, sixteen year old Gene Khan, to get close to Tony. After enrolling at Tony’s school, Tony, Gene, and Pepper are taken hostage by Maggia henchmen in effort to undermine The Mandarin and his Tong triad. Tony and Gene must both survive and protect their respective secret identities as Iron Man and the Mandarin.

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    I really enjoy this episode, I can't really tell why either. I guess it must be all the secrets and lies, like the title says.
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    Tonight's new episode was great. I really really like this series. I thought "Secrets & Lies" was much better than "Iron, Forged in Fire" (although I did like that episode too). I like this show as much as Wolverine and the X-Men. The writing in this show is amazing. 10/10.

    Can't wait for next week!!!


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    I liked the interaction between Tony and Gene, and I find Pepper to be pretty likable/adorable, actually. Don't read comics, so no idea who those two guys or the gang are, but they seemed interesting enough; especially the last scene with Gene 'interrogating' them. Gene can switch between friendly and sadistic pretty well.

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    While I still wish the show slowly had Gene over throw his Step Father and become the Mandarin I can deal with it I guess. Now a bad episode. Yeah Gene is a pretty interesting villain.

    And this episode was a nice set up for Count Neferia to show up later.

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    The episode was okay, I guess.

    I just hope that this show doesn't start drifting into soap opera territory (just like all the other post-1992 X-Men Marvel Comics shows...). By that, I refer to making it look like it will reach some kind of conclusion only to give us some plot device created to enable the show "to be continued" and maintain the status quo. The show should either end completely, or end with the current story arc (you know, when it gets to that). I'm hoping this show doesn't resort to petty writing tricks just to get us to keep watching the show.

    With that said, I look forward to the next episode.

    Really though, I'm sorry about the rant, but it was quicker than making a separate thread about it. Also, I don't usually post in the Marvel Comics forum, but I think this show has possibilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marn Hierogryph View Post
    I liked the interaction between Tony and Gene, and I find Pepper to be pretty likable/adorable, actually. Don't read comics, so no idea who those two guys or the gang are, but they seemed interesting enough; especially the last scene with Gene 'interrogating' them. Gene can switch between friendly and sadistic pretty well.
    The two super-villians were Unicorn and Killer Shrike. Their comic book incarnations aren't as "teched out" though. Speaking of which I love their updated looks. The "gang" was the "Maggia". Marvel's version of the Mafia. I don't know why they needed to change the name. Does the Mafia have the name trademarked?

    As for this episode, I really enjoyed it. In fact, I'll even say that it's made me a fan of the series. Characterization was great, the redesigns worked (well except for Tony), and the action scenes were well done.
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    I think I'm done.

    I've grown bored through all 4 episodes, I don't like any of the characters and I hate the look of the show.

    No real reason for me to keep watching. Bummer. I was hoping for so much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post
    I think I'm done.

    I've grown bored through all 4 episodes, I don't like any of the characters and I hate the look of the show.

    No real reason for me to keep watching. Bummer. I was hoping for so much more.

    I agree, I've watched the 1st 3 episodes and I'm about ready to give up on this show. This show makes the plot for X-Men Evolution sound like a perfect idea.

    I have no Idea why they feel they needed to make Tony Stark/Iron Man and his supporting characters high school teenagers. The adult version in the comics were already interesting, so the Idea for this show is stupid and 100000000000000000000000000X worse than the idea for X-Men Evolution.

    I also don't care for 3D/CGI animated shows, I prefer regular 2d animation. So this just adds another negative for this show.


    The revamped 2nd season of 90's Iron Man is WAY better than this show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maczero View Post
    As for this episode, I really enjoyed it. In fact, I'll even say that it's made me a fan of the series. Characterization was great, the redesigns worked (well except for Tony), and the action scenes were well done.
    The exact same thing happened to me after I saw this episode. If you think this episode was good, wait till you see next weeks episode, it was even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satam55 View Post
    The adult version in the comics were already interesting, so the Idea for this show is stupid and 100000000000000000000000000X worse than the idea for X-Men Evolution.
    The thing with Evo is that it kinda makes sense and you can do a lot with the concept. X-men is about segregation, don't judge a book by it's cover, conformity, and you can do a lot with that in high school 'cause it happens there.

    I don't see what's the advantage of the teen story that couldn't happen with adult Tony, other than it being the target demographic.

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    Furthermore, I personally see this show as an alternate take on Iron Man; it's different, yet it's still the story of Iron Man at its core. It's not like they're claiming the show to be "Iron Man" when it's really a generic "teen" drama or anything like that (whereby the whole "Iron Man" aesthetic would just be a "gimmick"). It's still Iron Man, yet (as I said) a different take on it. That said, BCI Guy and satam55, I think you should give the show a chance, IMO. I know I am. I personally don't feel that this show is being made the way it is just to appease certain "groups". If it was, it would show in its writing. I've seen a lot of shows (2-D animated, 3-D animated, or otherwise) recently, and it just seems like they're trying too hard to please. I feel that this show (at least for the moment...) is just "being itself". For that reason, I hope it will continue being itself throughout its production run (and not delve into the "soap opera" territory I mentioned). In short, we shouldn't expect this to be like previous versions of Iron Man (comics, TV, movies, or otherwise), and instead we should judge it on its own merits.

    Of course, there IS always the possibility that this could just be a tie-in for that live-action Iron Man sequel I've been hearing about, but that's another story...
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    I have learned from experiance to watch episodes at the beginning middle and end. The early episodes the writers and cast are still seting up the story and what not. The middle shows what the show will be like in general. As for the end well shows like to pull out all the stops for Season finales and then can be better then the rest of the show.

    Of course that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W.C.Reaf View Post
    I don't see what's the advantage of the teen story that couldn't happen with adult Tony, other than it being the target demographic.
    The next episode touches on that. Basically, Tony's obsessed with avenging his dad's death and sacrificing his own happiness at a normal teenager's life because of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mandouga View Post
    I feel that this show (at least for the moment...) is just "being itself". For that reason, I hope it will continue being itself throughout its production run (and not delve into the "soap opera" territory I mentioned). In short, we shouldn't expect this to be like previous versions of Iron Man (comics, TV, movies, or otherwise), and instead we should judge it on its own merits.
    Pretty much. The show is it's own reinvention of the character and just because it's not like the comics doesn't make it bad. It's unfortunate that people out there can't get past that fact, whether the changes are good or not, and hate it just because it's different. I'm always for changing the source material if it's for the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandouga View Post
    Furthermore, I personally see this show as an alternate take on Iron Man; it's different, yet it's still the story of Iron Man at its core. It's not like they're claiming the show to be "Iron Man" when it's really a generic "teen" drama or anything like that (whereby the whole "Iron Man" aesthetic would just be a "gimmick"). It's still Iron Man, yet (as I said) a different take on it. That said, BCI Guy and satam55, I think you should give the show a chance, IMO. I know I am. I personally don't feel that this show is being made the way it is just to appease certain "groups". If it was, it would show in its writing. I've seen a lot of shows (2-D animated, 3-D animated, or otherwise) recently, and it just seems like they're trying too hard to please. I feel that this show (at least for the moment...) is just "being itself". For that reason, I hope it will continue being itself throughout its production run (and not delve into the "soap opera" territory I mentioned). In short, we shouldn't expect this to be like previous versions of Iron Man (comics, TV, movies, or otherwise), and instead we should judge it on its own merits.

    Of course, there IS always the possibility that this could just be a tie-in for that live-action Iron Man sequel I've been hearing about, but that's another story...
    I think you make a lot of valid points, and I'm totally OK with series going in a different direction than what is expected (although, IMO, coming off such a successful movie - and one that introduced a lot of people to Iron Man - I'd personally have geared the cartoon more in that direction).

    But my problem is, after 4 episodes I really kind of hate it. I've been bored by the story during all 4. There isn't a single character I like or am interested in, and I can't even fall back on watching it for the animation because I think its awful.

    All I can do is admit it isn't for me and move on - and hope that the Thor and Avengers series are more like SSM (which I absolutely adore) and WATXM (which for me, is hit or miss, but I enjoy it).

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    I like this episode better than the premiere. Now that everyone's settled into their roles, the fun can begin. Gene makes for a good contrast to Tony (although their relationship feels a lot like Reed/Doom when they were in college), and I'm looking forward to seeing more of him.

    The fight scene was pretty good. I thought as soon as Tony got in the armor, he was going to trash those guys, but he's still figuring things out.

    Quote Originally Posted by maczero View Post
    The "gang" was the "Maggia". Marvel's version of the Mafia. I don't know why they needed to change the name. Does the Mafia have the name trademarked?
    Even if they don't, would you want to piss off the Mafia by writing comics where they constantly getting their butts kicked by costumed vigilantes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by W.C.Reaf View Post
    I don't see what's the advantage of the teen story that couldn't happen with adult Tony, other than it being the target demographic.
    It's not so much an "advantage" as it is the perception that children relate better to characters that are close to their own age. Not every kids' show does it, of course, but it's common enough to be standard operating procedure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 90'sCartoonMan View Post
    Even if they don't, would you want to piss off the Mafia by writing comics where they constantly getting their butts kicked by costumed vigilantes?
    Hmmm...I see your point. I remember at one time that Japanese organized crime was referred to as the "Yazuka" instead of the "Yakuza". I just find it funny that people think organized crime would be sensitive to how it's being portrayed in the "funny books".
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    Anyone think Tony is a bit snobby? There were several times during "Secrets & Lies" when he was 'bragging' about being rich. He was like "what do you have against rich kids?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikrewind9 View Post
    Anyone think Tony is a bit snobby? There were several times during "Secrets & Lies" when he was 'bragging' about being rich. He was like "what do you have against rich kids?"
    It probably has to do with him not being use to the whole school thing. Before his father died he was home schooled. The only friend his age that this version of Tony Stark had before the start of the show was Rodes. He's nor use to talking to people his own age.

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