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    Dr. Octopus In Animation - A Retrospective

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    Time for another retrospective! I've recently been adding the older ones to the main MAA site and got jonesing for some more and I thought I'd look back on one of my favourite Spider-Man villains - Dr. Octopus himself! Updates should appear daily, and as always, images appear courtesty of Marvel Animation Age. Enjoy the retrospective!

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    Back in 1963, Spider-Man was brought back from his initial appearance in Amazing Fantasy #15 he was of course given his book, The Amazing Spider-Man. When he received the upgrade from one shot to monthly the thing he would need most is a rouges gallery to get in the way of his dates with Betty Brant. Having previously fought The Chameleon, The Vulture and The Tinkerer, Stan Lee told artist Steve Dikto that he wanted a villain with eight arms for Spidey to fight and with Dikto’s unmatched originality Dr. Octopus was born and debuted in Amazing Spider-Man #3.

    Doc Ock quickly became one of the favourites in regards to supervillains and if memory serves, was the fist of Spidey’s rouges to make a second appearance in Amazing Spider-Man. In the fall of 1967, Spider-Man made his debut on ABC with an all-new animated series and who else should appear in the very first episode other than Doc Ock.



    The premiere, The Power Of Dr. Octopus to me, stands as one of the series best. For those who haven’t seen the show, it’s quite possibly the cheesiest thing you’ll ever see that doesn’t star Adam West but at times, it was great fun and a good laugh. Spider-Man himself is at his best in the premiere, with a never-ending string of one-liners at the expense the villain of the piece. This show worked far better as a comedy than an action show but the sheer amount of cheese will no doubt put many off. The hooky designs, the voice acting, sound effects and constantly repeated animation are all part of it’s charm to me. The show was clearly done on the cheap but I think it helps emphasise the tone the show was trying to go for. This episode is probably the most quoteable of the bunch;

    Ocatvius: My plan is simple.
    Spider-Man: Just like you!

    Jameson: Now tell me exactly what happened!
    Betty: Well, Spider-Man…
    Jameson: Enough! Enough! I don’t wanna hear another word!


    Octavius himself isn’t the show’s best villain (that esteemed honour is surely deserved by Mysterio!) but he’s not too bad aside from his purple tracksuit (sadly lacking a gay hood ornament). As with most villains in the show, there’s no attempt to develop him or explain his origin, he’s simply a villain with four mechanical arms and wants money. As with all ransom demands on the show, he approaches J. Jonah Jameson, the fearless publisher of The Daily Bugle for payment. Spider-Man, none too impressed with Ock’s plans of blowing up his crib, eventually defeated Ock by tying him up with his web. It’s not too bad an episode if you know what to expect going into it but if you’ve never seen the show before… prepare yourself if you ever do get the chance to sit down and watch it.



    Doc Ock would make one more appearance in the show, with the intention of stealing a rocket. It’s never quite explained what he wanted the rocket for, but alas, Dr Octopus has stolen a rocket and Spider-Man must stop him! The Terrible Triumph Of Dr. Octopus isn’t as memorable as the opening episode but it’s still pretty good. I remember being quite impressed with the fight that took place outside the building where the rocket was being presented. Ock’s design remained unchanged and his voice actor was pretty good in the role but there are better episodes to be found in the show (and yes, most of them star Mysterio.)

    Given how bad the second and third seasons were, I’m glad Dr. Octopus never appeared again.
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    Ah Doc Ock, arguably spider man's arch nemesis, or at least his most consistent throught his 40+ year history. I remember seeing maybe a few minutes of The Power of Doctor Octopus, thought it was a fun romp( and yes Mysterio ruled that show ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu
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    Er, where?

    As a matter of fact, I saw The Power of Dr. Octopus on Youtube yesterday, but with spoofy dialogue dubbed in - in Spanish (yielded by "1981 Spider-Man". Odd.). It was still pretty easy to follow, but yes, I saw it in English afterward. If that's some of the series' best... well, I guess I'm one of the folks who doesn't like it. It felt more like a full-length story's third act than a story unto itself.

    And why would he need a rocket if he can blow up half the city already?
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    Er, where?
    That's for you to find out! I'm nearly done, I just have a little tweaking to do before I announce them.

    I'll be adding this one to it once I've completed it.
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    Spider-Man didn’t receive his own show in the 70’s and had to settle for a few guest spots on Spider-Woman, and since none of his rouges gallery showed up in that show, we’ll have to move onto Spider-Man’s 1980’s cartoons to view Dr. Octopus’ next animated appearance.

    Marvel decided to break into the animation business in the 1980’s and believed that the best way to do this was to create their own animation studio with the dream of getting Spider-Man on network TV. Marvel funded this entire operation themselves and set up a deal to syndicate the previous 67 Spider-Man series and add new episodes to freshen the deal. So, in 1981 a new Spider-Man cartoon debuted. Taking its cue from the 67 cartoon, the show followed college student Peter Parker and his exploits as Spider-Man whilst he worked for irate publisher J. Jonah Jameson taking pictures of Spider-Man and romancing his secretary Betty Brant. The show clearly had a bigger budget than the 60’s show (what didn’t?) and because the show was to be recorded in the States, the show was recast and the models were changed. So ‘officially’ the show is in continuity with the 67 show but they have different tones, voices, models so it’s pretty much a completely different show.




    Going back to the models, they were a big improvement on all fronts. The show managed to translate the legendary artwork of John Romita Sr. nicely, with simple, clean models that animated fairly well. Spider-Man himself looked especially great, not too bulky but not too skinny either. I’m a sucker for Romita Sr’s work so I admit to being biased but I think that the Romita look works well in animation. With Spider-Man coming to DVD again next year, I wouldn’t be upset if they went down this route again – hell, I’d probably be thrilled.

    The story is typical of the 80’s but still really enjoyable. I don’t remember a whole lot about this show but this particular episode revolves around Dr. Octopus stealing things in order to make his tentacles more powerful. Ock’s design is quite snazzy, I actually really like the black and orange colouring, it fits better than the green one suit of the comics. There’s a few typical 80’s stuff in here the biggest one being Ock’s submarine looking like it came straight from a toy shelf from Toys R Us. The episode isn’t especially memorable but it’s entertaining enough. It’s a shame the show never really went into the origins of it’s villains, I think it would’ve helped a lot of the episodes and Doc Ock is no exception.

    The good Dr would appear once again in Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends in a bit role but he would have a long wait ahead of him. Whilst Octavius was the first villain to be animated in both previous Spider-Man shows, he didn’t appear until season three of Spidey friends! Spider-Man Meets The Girl From Tomorrow features Spidey falling in love upon sight with some bird from the future (it’s not just a clever title folks) and helps them rebuild their spaceship. He later decides to leave everything behind and swan off this girl until her Father tells him that he’ll pretty much kill their entire planet because he’s none of them have the anti-bodies they’d need to survive around him. The episode is perhaps best known for the small kiss Spider-Man and Firestar share after he decides to leave. Such a sweet little moment. Doc Ock does bugger all in the episode really. He is voiced by the legend that is Michael Bell, so they get bonus points anyway!



    By far the greatest animated appearance of Dr. Octopus in the 80’s was oddly enough in The Incredible Hulk and oddly enough, he once again appears in the first episode in production order! Anyone who’s read any of the previous retrospectives I’ve done will no doubt be aware that I think The Incredible Hulk is the balls but if you want more on that, check out the Hulk retrospective (I warn you, I rattled on for some time). The episode in question sees Dr. Banner randomly changing into The Hulk due to radiation being emitted from Gamma base. Bell once again returns to voice Doc Ock, as of course, he voices Bruce Banner in the show to begin with. The show didn’t have that many memorable villains and Doc Ock probably stands amongst the best of them. In a rather amusing scene, The Hulk ties Ock’s tentacles together to defeat him and Ock is shown still struggling to untangle them in prison in the epilogue.

    Given that he appeared in all three Marvel shows that Marvel produced in the 80's, he could be considered one of the biggest villains of the decade. None of the appearances were especially brilliant, but considering the time the shows aired we were lucky he wasn't completely butchered. Networks were notoriously fickle about supervillains in the 1980's, most of them were demanded to be comic relief rather than truly threatening. Thankfully, Ock's next animated appearance faired better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu
    That's for you to find out!
    You mean like... er... that one other page? (Oh, and I haven't found any yet, but I thought you might want to know that some of the "Spider-Man: The New Animated Series" pages title themselves "The New Amimated Series".)
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    I'm nearly done, I just have a little tweaking to do before I announce them.
    That won't include expanding just a little on Avengers: United They Stand, will it? So it had stupid battle armor, left out almost every Avenger anyone cared about except Ant Man, and was overall in many ways subpar - but it still ran for a season, had good animation, and was the only real extended appearance of said superhero team. And the intro was at least better than Fantastic Four/Iron Man season one.
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    Slight correction Stu, Vulture was the first villain to make a repeat appearance , not Doc Ock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caswin
    That won't include expanding just a little on Avengers: United They Stand, will it? So it had stupid battle armor, left out almost every Avenger anyone cared about except Ant Man, and was overall in many ways subpar - but it still ran for a season, had good animation, and was the only real extended appearance of said superhero team. And the intro was at least better than Fantastic Four/Iron Man season one.
    To be honest, probably not. I'll be blunt, I've had about 90% of my Avengers: United They Stand site completed on my HD for months but it just keeps getting pushed back because of other site stuff, the 9-5 and my inability to stay in on a Saturday night. It should hopefully be up shortly. Perhaps perodic PMs from Arsenal telling me to get my arse in gear will help?

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    Slight correction Stu, Vulture was the first villain to make a repeat appearance , not Doc Ock.
    Really? Am I right in thinking Ock appeared in #3, then #12 as his second appearance? If The Vulture debuted in #2, what issue featured his sophmore appearance?
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    By the time Spider-Man: The Animated Series aired in 1994, audiences (and networks) had changed. Gone were the squeaky clean fun of the 80’s, superheroes with character were back in due to the success of Batman and X-Men and expectations were high for Spidey’s triumphant return to Saturday morning.

    In the first season especially, the show had consistently strong stories and animation and I personally loved it back in the day, I couldn’t get enough. I remember my next door neighbour would come round to watch it with my brother and I and we would guess which villain was going to appear this week. (When The Rhino appeared in The Alien Costume, Part One I won the best and was thus rewarded the finest can of coke anyone ever drank). These were the days before everything’s already revealed on the internet and you were literally clueless as to who was going to appear this week. Even episode titles were unknown before you sat down to watch the show.



    I remember especially looking forward to seeing Dr. Octopus appear, because I was more knowledgeable about him than most of the other villains in the show. (I remember my neighbour and I asking my brother who the dude in yellow in the opening credits was, so no, I wasn’t winning any bets with The Alien Costume, Part Two). If memory serves, I had the Doc Ock figure before the episode aired too. I remember buying most of the first wave in a single trip the very first time we saw them because we had a hell of a time trying to find the X-Men figures and my Mum just said “screw it!” and bought the lot there and put them away for Christmas. Bare in mind, this was early September time and I had to look past the figures to get into the bathroom to brush my teeth every morning. Do you have any idea how hard it is for an eight year old to walk past toys that he won’t be allowed to open for months on end? Perhaps my cruellest childhood memory – it’s a sad subject in the Hamilton household, even to this day.

    Anyway, back to the episode. Dr. Octopus: Armed And Dangerous introduced the villain and stands as one of the show’s best episodes rarely seems to make it onto anyone’s top five list. Perhaps it stands as a forgotten classic?

    Octavius isn’t just some generic supervillain here – he is an embittered scientist looking for revenge and hoping to use it to fund his experiments. Doc Ock planned to master fusion in hopes of finding a new energy source. His funding was originally paid for by Anastasia Hardy - Felicia’s Mother. When she shut off the grant Octavius funded the experiment himself without the safety barriers - the resulting explosion caused by the accident wielded his metallic arms to his spine and gave him control over them. He then kidnapped Felicia and demanded a ransom to release her. I was especially impressed with the abduction scene, Octavius brakes into her room, kidnaps her and makes quick work of Peter, without saying a word and letting his arms do all the work. You can really tell that the storyboard artists were working hard here which simply wasn’t found in the later episodes – the episode is bursting with small little touches – Peter’s reluctance to introduce himself to Otto as a child, the FBI agent helping Mrs Hardy into her chair as she informed him of her abduction and Peter placing his hand on Mrs Hardy’s shoulder to comfort her whilst Jameson read the message out over the news. If these production standards had maintained throughout the show’s run, I believe it would be remembered in a much better light.



    Octavius believed that science justified any crimes he might commit because he was intending to do good with it. He even says it in the episode;

    “Their laughter is meaningless. Science is the important thing – it justifies all that we do in its service”.

    The show had an original twist in it from the comics, here, Dr. Octavius was a former teacher of Peter when he was a child and from the looks of things, had a great influence on Peter as a young man, especially in regards to his passion for science. Peter even mentions that the quote above is something that he would “never forget”. It was all wonderful stuff, the story, the character and even the dialogue was a cut above average and believe it or not, the show looked stunning!

    TMS outdid themselves here with outstanding staging, even better animation and stunning storyboard. The fights in this episode actually look like they hurt, it’s great fun watching Doc Ock effortlessly pummel Spider-Man with his tentacles and then watching Spidey dodge his arms in the warehouse. Pretty DVD screen captures simply don’t do the episode justice this is an episode you have to watch to truly enjoy. The episode is simply so well put together that it’s honestly hard to fault. The show’s usual flows – poor editing, choppy animation and crap fight scenes aren’t present. It also has a nice slower pace that simply never happened in the later seasons.




    Special mention must go to Efrem Zimbalist, Jr the actor who portrayed Dr. Octopus. Whilst he is probably best known to most of us as Alfred from Batman: The Animated Series Zimbalist was excellent as the deranged Doctor and really did bring a lot to the role. The dialogue helped him tremendously of course but he delivers it with such finesse, again, it’s simply hard to find fault in the episode. There's some great, great lines in here.

    Octopus: Spider-Man! You're making a career of interferance!
    Spider-Man: Some career! No salary, no vacation and talk about on the job health hazards!

    Octavius: Did you really expect your pathetic webs to stop me?
    Spider-Man: It was a throught!
    Octavius: Don't waste your time thinking, it may very well be the last thought you ever have!


    The one thing I do have a grievance about however, is his design. Not only did it look silly, but it doesn’t fit the character in the slightest. This isn’t some battle suit designed to protect him or whatever, Octavius is a scientist, not a supervillain – why dress him up like one? I think the Eric Larsen white suit or even a trench coat look would’ve fit him better. As it stands though, the armour just looks a little daft. A small sour note on an otherwise amazing episode. On another note, you've got to love that creepy ending too.

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    But would the rest follow up to the spectacular standards set by Dr. Octopus: Armed And Dangerous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu
    To be honest, probably not. I'll be blunt, I've had about 90% of my Avengers: United They Stand site completed on my HD for months but it just keeps getting pushed back because of other site stuff, the 9-5 and my inability to stay in on a Saturday night. It should hopefully be up shortly. Perhaps perodic PMs from Arsenal telling me to get my arse in gear will help?



    Really? Am I right in thinking Ock appeared in #3, then #12 as his second appearance? If The Vulture debuted in #2, what issue featured his sophmore appearance?
    Vulture came back in issue 7, while Doc Ock reappeated in issues 11 and 12.

    Here's a question, is Doc Ock German or not? In Spider-Man TAS and the PS1 game Efrem Zimbalist Jr. gave Ock a German accent, but he didn't have a German accent in any other cartoons or the movies. According to the comics Doc Ock was born in Schenectady, New York State, so it be odd that he would have a German accent, unless in Spider-man TAS and in the PS1 game he wasn't born in the US and moved to the US from Germany, which would be different from the comics, movies, etc.

    Now Ock's civilian name is Otto Gunther Octavius, Otto and Gunther sound German, but Octavius sounds Latin to me. His father's name was Tobert, is that German or is something else, Dannish or something?

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    He's not German, they just added that to the show to make him more of a menacing scientist. He's just a very well spoken intellectual from a suburb of NY.

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    Now, while I admit that Spiderman: TAS was my first introduction to Doc Ock, I've got to disagree with Stu on Ock's costume. I liked it. I mean, really liked it. (Especially compared to the other costumes shown on this thread) To this day, I still picture him in metallic green and yellow.

    I will agree with Stu on the voice, though! Efrem did a great job making the Doc sound menacing. Again, that's still how I hear him in my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tb4000
    He's not German, they just added that to the show to make him more of a menacing scientist. He's just a very well spoken intellectual from a suburb of NY.
    I think he was born in NY state, not NY city. Anyway I think Ock is a German American, Otto Guther Octavius sounds pretty German to me. Plus his father's name was Tobert, which doesn't sound like an WASP name to me.

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    Now, while I admit that Spiderman: TAS was my first introduction to Doc Ock, I've got to disagree with Stu on Ock's costume. I liked it. I mean, really liked it. (Especially compared to the other costumes shown on this thread) To this day, I still picture him in metallic green and yellow.

    I will agree with Stu on the voice, though! Efrem did a great job making the Doc sound menacing. Again, that's still how I hear him in my head.
    I disagree, Doc Ock's white business suit from the early 90s is the best costume he every wore. I don't see why he needs a costume, he should be above such things, the robot arms, sun glasses and bowl cut are his trade mark, not his clothes.

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    I may be wrong here but there's a small change Doc Ock was given the accent because of his role in the then upcoming Spider-Man film, to be directed by James Cameron. I've never quite managed to figure it all out properly, but wasn't the legend that is Arnold Scwarchenegor rumoured to be portraying Dr. Octopus in the movie? And yes, I admit to having no idea how to correctly spell Arnie's surname!

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    I disagree, Doc Ock's white business suit from the early 90s is the best costume he every wore
    I think the movie had a pretty cool look for Octavius, but in the comics, I definatly agree. I don't think it makes sense for Ock to be in supervillain spandex, he is supposed to be a scientist, not some wacky villain. Whilst we're on the subject, who do you think draws him best? I've always been partial to the way Erik Larsen draws him, especially in the Return Of The Sinister Six storyline from back in the 80's.
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    The villain of the week formula of season one was thrown aside for season two and the show began a bold storyline featuring Spider-Man fighting his own superpowers as the mutation which caused his powers began to spiral out of control and threatened to transform him into something that “won’t be human”. The Neogenic Nightmare, although flawed, was perhaps one of the most ballsiest things I've ever seen on Saturday morning.

    The season opened with Spider-Man’s powers failing him as The Kingpin decides he’s had enough of the wall crawlers’ constant interference to the point he sprung six different supervillains in order to form a team capable of beating Spider-Man. They were quite sinister, so the new group, consisting of The Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion, Chameleon, Mysterio and the star of our thread, Dr. Octopus. They were all in jail as a result of their previous encounters with Spider-Man the previous season. Doc Ock was still encaged in his cool looking prison with his arms entrapped in the corners that were broken by The Shocker destroying them with his vibration blasts.



    With Ock’s previous episode establishing that he wasn’t just another Neanderthal in a costume, I was glad to see that they gave him a real motivation behind join the Insidious Six rather than simple revenge against Spider-Man. Promising Octavius one of the finest labs and an unlimited budget to match, Doc Ock then became the leader of The Insidious Six.

    Amongst some fanboys nods of a possible chemistry between Octavius and Aunt May these two episodes are great fun. In order to learn where Spider-Man is, the group kidnap Aunt May and a powerless Spidey must defeat all of them in order to save his Aunt. I’ve always loved the ending of this episode, in which The Six surround him and The Chameleon asks if he’s ready for the end. The look on Spider-Man’s face as he realises that he doesn’t stand the slightest chance against them was one of my favourite shots in the series. Typically, I don’t have a screen shot to show you.

    I enjoy part two more than part one, and it acts as a great follow up to Armed And Dangerous, as when Octavius unmasks Spider-Man and Octavius believes that Parker is merely an impostor as Peter couldn’t be Spider-Man because he was defeated far too easily. I especially loved seeing Peter outsmart the six without his powers and essentially had them defeat each other. The chemistry between Parker and Octavius is still present here and Ock still refers to Peter as his student. Their own egos and unwillingness to follow The Kingpin eventually lead to the groups’ demise, but for me, despite how great the episodes are and how much good stuff is in there, the best part is the ending, after Spider-Man awaits the answers to his blood test as his powers have now returned to him.



    Spider-Man: C’mon Doc, my powers came back and I feel great! How bad can the test results be?
    Conners: This bad. The mutagenic factor in your blood has undergone another transformation.
    Spider-Man: Did you say mutagenic, as in “mutant”?
    Conners: I’m afraid so. While I can’t tell you exactly what your powers are turning you into – one thing’s already clear… it won’t be human.


    My personal favourite ending in the entire show. Whilst the episode didn't quite live up to the amazing standards of his original appearance, I'm sad to say his next appearance wouldn't even come close.
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    Apologies for the delay, I used my superior intellect to battle the pub quiz last night (got 14/22, for those interested). Here's the penultimate post!

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    Octavius would once again return in Make A Wish, the extended origin episode of Spider-Man that took place in season three. Unfortunately, everything that made him great in his first two appearances was sadly absent. Gone was the disgruntled scientist, he was replaced by a generic lackey who worked for The Kingpin. The episodes themselves are nothing to write home about to begin with but Ock’s appearance is especially embarrassing especially when an eight-year-old girl defeats him. How the mighty have fallen! Two episodes and nothing of any significance happens to the good Doctor.



    His next appearance was only more of the same. Season four is generally regarded as a rather weak season and one of the main reasons for this, in my opinion, is because it lacked any great villains. The Cat starts well enough, with Octavius blackmailing Felicia’s mother to once again to fund his experiments but the episode quickly falls after that for our dear Doctor as once again, he is turned into a lackey for Kingpin. He spent the rest of the episodes as a pawn in the fight scenes, all of which were pretty bad, especially when compared to the brilliance of Ock’s original episode. If you’re wondering why this chapter isn’t as in depth as the previous ones it’s because Ock was pretty much an extended cameo – he did naff all except fight Spider-Man, and lose. A rather lacklustre season of Spider-Man that isn’t at all helped by Ock’s presence.

    The final season would feature more of Dr. Octopus but again, there’s very little worth speaking of. He was just another lackey for Kingpin as part of The Insidious Six in the majority of The Six Forgotten Warriors arc and he appeared in Secret Wars and again, made absoloutly no significant contributions other than making himself a lackey of The Red Skull (who had previously tried to kill him in the last episode, but we’ll forget that happened because pretty much everything else in Secret Wars was pretty effing cool.)



    Having appeared in nearly every episode of the season, Ock wasn’t presented in the series finale. I doubt his presence would’ve done much to change it and at this point, there really wasn’t any point in including him, the damage had been done. A character that began as a fascinating mad scientist disappointingly became just another supervillain. Bar a quick cameo in Spider-Man: Unlimited, Doc Ock hasn’t been animated since. What a waste.

    Doc Ock’s story away from the comics’ doesn’t end here however. In the summer of 2004 he became one of the best big screen supervillains of all time, but that’s for the next post!
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    Why did they make Ock a thug for hire, there were plenty of other thug villains around to use, like Shocker and Rhino (Rhino was underused in the last couple of seasons, he could have easily have taken Ock's place in the Black Cat episodes, so Ock could have a storyline to himself later in the season, to replace one of those crappy episodes.) One of the biggest flaws in this series was making almost all the villains into minions of the Kingpin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu
    Doc Ock’s story away from the comics’ doesn’t end here however. In the summer of 2004 he became one of the best big screen supervillains of all time, but that’s for the next post!
    By far my favourite representation of the character. I was a little offput by his lack of an accent, but once I got past that, I really learned to like and sympathise with Ock. As much as I liked the animated version, I can't say I really sympathised with him. Also, as you said, the green/orange armour didn't help in the 'making him a real person' department. If you want revenge against someone and want to be taken seriously, what you don't do is slap on a gaudy costume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.C.B
    By far my favourite representation of the character. I was a little offput by his lack of an accent, but once I got past that, I really learned to like and sympathise with Ock. As much as I liked the animated version, I can't say I really sympathised with him. Also, as you said, the green/orange armour didn't help in the 'making him a real person' department. If you want revenge against someone and want to be taken seriously, what you don't do is slap on a gaudy costume.
    Ock was never that much of a sympathic character in the comics, he was never designed to be in the comics. What Ock is comics is a somewhat honourable, though he is evil for the most part, now and again he allows his good side to show through and does a good deed (for example he once saved Spider-Man's life, he once tried to cure AIDs, he once tried save Reed Richard's unborn child, etc). So while Ock is honourable, he is not sympathic, though it was a good idea to make him sympathic in the film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stu
    Bar a quick cameo in Spider-Man: Unlimited, Doc Ock hasn’t been animated since.
    Heh. By that one picture, they really got his design right (no armor). Of all the places...
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    (Well, it was worth a go.)

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