"The Ultimate Avengers" DTV Speculation Thread (Spoilers)

[EJill34]

I'm really excited about these. This Avengers DTV should kick ass. Now, I'm hoping for a Punisher DTV with Garth Ennis writing the script. That would be a dream come true.

[Fone Bone]

If it's in continuity with the 90s Spider-Man and X-Men shows, I'll pick it up (I know, fat chance). Either way I hope it's family friendly for some reason. The TVY7 cartoons from the nineties were better than the TVPG Spider-Man Chronicles for one thing. Maybe cause they were made for kids AND adults instead of Generation Y. I'm sorry, but the last Spider-Man had VERY limited appeal to anyone outside of a narrow demographic. I hope Marvel remembers that.

[Fone Bone]

Personally? I'd prefer if they were in continuity with the mid nineties Spider-Man and X-Men rather than Evolution.

But I guess not either way. I have no idea what an "Ultimate" is but I hope it's good.

[Mynd Hed]

Hmm... I'm wondering what exactly "based on the Ultimates" means. I mean, I like the Ultimates and everything, but they're definitely NOT what I'd call kid-friendly, between the spouse-abusing Pyms, the cannibalistic Hulk, and all the political stuff that would bore the kiddies to tears when it doesn't just fly right over their heads.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to get to see a dark superhero tale aimed at adults, but given Marvel's shaky track record with animated properties, I'm not sure how much financial sense it makes, and I'd rather have ten good DTVs aimed at kids rather than one really good adult-aimed DTV that also happened to be a spectacular financial failure which would likely kill off all plans for any others.

[Fone Bone]

Hmm... I'm wondering what exactly "based on the Ultimates" means. I mean, I like the Ultimates and everything, but they're definitely NOT what I'd call kid-friendly, between the spouse-abusing Pyms, the cannibalistic Hulk, and all the political stuff that would bore the kiddies to tears when it doesn't just fly right over their heads.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to get to see a dark superhero tale aimed at adults, but given Marvel's shaky track record with animated properties, I'm not sure how much financial sense it makes, and I'd rather have ten good DTVs aimed at kids rather than one really good adult-aimed DTV that also happened to be a spectacular financial failure which would likely kill off all plans for any others.

Hear, hear.

Do anyone know if there is ANY chance of them continuing the stories of Spider-Man '94 and X-Men '93? Since they're owned by Disney I doubt it, but both series ended on a cliff-hanger (especially Spidey) and I'd like some resolution. X-Men: Evolution ended perfectly, so I don't want to see a return for that although The Avengers Evo style would be acceptable.

[Spider-Friends]

I'd rather have ten good DTVs aimed at kids rather than one really good adult-aimed DTV that also happened to be a spectacular financial failure which would likely kill off all plans for any others.

I've got a feeling it will be adult-oriented just like the comic. This will really be the FIRST time that Marvel has had complete freedom with an animated property and I bet they are going to want to see if the HUGE success of the comic can translate to a DTV feature. Keep in mind that it has been stated that Steve Gordon is set to co-direct TWO direct-to-video features for them. I'm sure Marvel has enough business sense to not be making both of them adult-oriented.

And I just thought of something...how cool would it be if they could get Samuel L. Jackson to do the voice of Nick Fury?

[oranthal]

I'm very pleased with this announcement. Glad to hear their sporting the big guns for this DTV, rather than going up with second tier characters, not that there's anything wrong with that .

I agree with you except about the second tier characters a la "Avengers" cartoon a few years ago that ran on Fox. I've a huge problem with having "Avengers" without the Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, and Thor. The inclusion of these characters is a huge plus.

In the other thread, it said that "The Avengers" DTV would be only 66 minutes long, and I think it is a little disappointing. When I first read the subject line on the News Page, I was automatically assuming the minimum runtime would be 70-75 minutes. It could be a very good 66 minutes, but I still want the movie to be a little longer. And how can we let them know that we want a longer movie?

This might be too early to ask this but will it be in WS? And I hope it isn't CG. I'd much prefer traditional 2D cell animation.

[Icer]

It could be good if it's not aimed for children, because The Ultimates are not.

[AdamYJ]

I don't like The Ultimates. Why can't The Avengers be based on The Avengers? There's nothing wrong with the regular MU version of these characters. I also like the "second tier" characters better than the big shots most of the time. I hate the term "second tier". Guys like Wonder Man, Hawkeye and Vision are just as good, if not better than guys like Iron Man and Thor. Thor's as boring as dry toast, and this is coming from someone who's also a big mythology buff.

Sorry, but I don't really think this is for me.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I really don't see how you could call something with Hulk and no Scarlett Witch the Avengers.

[Spider-Friends]

I really don't see how you could call something with Hulk and no Scarlett Witch the Avengers.

I know what you're trying to saying but you do realize the series started WITH Hulk and NO Scarlet Witch, right?

[Nick K.]

An Ultimates dvd... hmmm... That rules!!!

[AdamYJ]

I know what you're trying to saying but you do realize the series started WITH Hulk and NO Scarlet Witch, right?

Yeah, but the Hulk quit about an issue later and then teamed up with Namor to try and destroy the Avengers.

The series didn't really get that good until Wanda, Pietro and Clint joined. That's when it really started to be like a Marvel book.

There are so many great Avengers out there and we only get the boring founders. Look at some of these names:

Hawkeye
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Vision
Hercules
Wonder Man
Tigra
Captain Marvel/Photon
Black Knight
Black Panther
Ms. Marvel/Warbird
Falcon
Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
The Beast
Sub-Mariner (he made a better Avenger than Hulk did)
Spider-Woman
She-Hulk
Swordsman
Moondragon
Black Widow
Starfox
Justice
Firestar
Jack of Hearts
Silverclaw
Quasar
Stingray
Firebird
Living Lightning

And there are about a million more. Who can look at that list and say that some of those people (heck, most of those people) are more worthy of being called Avengers than some of the founders.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I know what you're trying to saying but you do realize the series started WITH Hulk and NO Scarlet Witch, right?

And X-Men started with Cyclops, Marvel Girl etcetera as teenagers and Magneto as a cardboard cutout villain.

Hulk was an Avenger for like 4 issues, Wanda' s been an Avenger for more than 400 issues. Besides, Captain America didn't join the team until after Hulk quit.

[staticblue]

so who do you guys think should voice the team? you can even throw out people that havent been confirmed yet, like the list of avengers above. Until the cast is confrmed, any of them could be on the team

[thanos28542]

I don't understand why Marvel always disses us "old school " Avengers fans in favor of todays kids who are only familiar w/"Ultimate Avengers"! The Hulk was in Issue 1 & then quit in issue 2! Cap joined in issue 4 & has been there ever since! I was hoping/praying that the DTV would feature the George Perez era Avengers consisting of the big 3, Black Panther, Hawkeye, Vision, Scarlet Witch & Yellow Jacket! It would've been mind blowing if they could've done a 60-70 min adaption of either their battle w/Ultron in issues 160-161 or their big throw down w/a super powered Count Nefaria (the 3 issues that Nefaria fought them in escape me at the moment). Or they can do 1 DTV of the Ultimate Avengers for those fans & a DTV of the Perez era Avengers for us old school fans! One things for sure, the villain has got to be either Ultron,Thanos or Nefaria! IMOP those are the only 3 that can go toe to toe w/the Avengers & hold their own!

[Spider-Man]

But I guess not either way. I have no idea what an "Ultimate" is but I hope it's good.

Maybe these DTVs will adopt the Ultimate universe and be an animated take on them. That way a continuity could be established even if it is based on a seperate unvierse.

[Mynd Hed]

I have no idea what an "Ultimate" is but I hope it's good.

Marvel's "Ultimate" universe is a comics line set in an alternate universe which reintroduces most major Marvel characters from the begining. (Think X-Men: TAS vs. X-Men Evolution or 90's Fox Spidey vs. MTV Spidey-- same characters, different universe and continuity.) The idea is to update the characters' origins for the 21st century (example: Peter Parker is now the Bugle's webmaster, not a photographer) and avoid the continuity tangles that plague the mainstream Marvel universe. How successful it is depends who you ask-- I think most Ultimate titles are great, but a surprising number of continuity errors have already cropped up considering how new it is.
Anyway, if you want the best example of the Ultimate universe, check out the "Ultimate Spider-Man" comic. If you just want a look at the title that's likely to have the most influence on the upcoming DTV, check out "The Ultimates," which is the Ultimate universe answer to the Avengers. It ranks as my personal close second-favorite behind Ultimate Spidey, but a lot of mainstream Marvel true believers disagree with me.

[GL2k2]

No offense to anyone who likes the Ultimate universe, but I have reason to believe this is what ruined Spider-Man mTV. It was geared to fans and true fans didn't appreciate all the stupid updating.

[Stu]

No offense to anyone who likes the Ultimate universe, but I have reason to believe this is what ruined Spider-Man mTV. It was geared to fans and true fans didn't appreciate all the stupid updating.

First of all, take pity on a guys eyes! Bright green text!

Second, what's wrong with the update. The odd screw up aside, there's nothing wrong with Ultimate Spider-Man. I consider myself a "true fan" and I've nothing but love for Bendis/Bagley's updated version.

The princepals are the same, it's simple he's a teenager once again, and they can use who they like, without having to worry about issues that happened over 40 years ago.