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    Care Bears: Welcome to Care-a-Lot Pre-Release Discussion and News Thread

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    care bears are coming to the hub this summer.
    this thread is to disscuss and tell any news of the new care bears series.
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    I saw four-or-five commercials during the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic season finale. I'm sorry, Hasbro, but I don't believe lightning is going to strike twice. Perhaps they should have stuck with the same art style and animation as MLP:FIM, like those fan designs that were floating around for a while, instead of going with yet another 3D CGI show. It works for Transformers, but not so much for cuddly bears.
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    At least they should have some villains. One thing I liked about the old Care Bears cartoons they had some great villains. No Heart was an awesome villain, Cold Heart good comic relief villian though I did find him kind of creepy with the pedphile undertones. Granted I don't know if they could have a villain as great as No Heart, hell MLP:FiM none of their villains are as good as Terach, but they still good villains non the less.

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    First, let me get this off my chest: it kinds of bugs me how in the wake of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, now whenever a new series based on an 80's toy product is announced, people start in with, "Will this be the next Friendship is Magic?", as if a phenomenon like FiM happens every day. It only serves to hold the new series up to ridiculously high standards, so then people are naturally disappointed when said show doesn't live up to these folks' pre-set expectations, although the producers of said relaunch never made the claim that they were making the next FiM in the first place.

    That said, no, I don't see this new Care Bears show becoming another Friendship is Magic. Based on what I've seen, it looks more like this will be another Strawberry Shortcakes' Berry Bitty Adventures, a show so unremarkable that the new episodes never get talkbacks here. It appears to be a direct throwback to it's original 80's incarnation than an innovation; the characters don't even possess the scraps of clothing that they did to distinguish themselves from one another in the syndicated Nelvana series and in Adventures in Care-a-Lot. The writing may surprise us, but at first glance, this show just doesn't appear to work on more than the basic 'keep little kids entertained' level.

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    At least they should have some villains. One thing I liked about the old Care Bears cartoons they had some great villains. No Heart was an awesome villain, Cold Heart good comic relief villian though I did find him kind of creepy with the pedphile undertones. Granted I don't know if they could have a villain as great as No Heart, hell MLP:FiM none of their villains are as good as Terach, but they still good villains non the less.
    Respectfully, I disagree. A show doesn't need regular villains to be good; it just needs quality writing, decent characters and above average execution. The aforementioned MLP:FiM generally doesn't employ the use of big-bads except in the 2-part season openers and closers and they do just fine. (FTR, I don't count characters like Diamond Tiara, Gilda Griffin and Trixie as villains; they fall more into the general jerk/annoyance category as far as I'm concerned.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbro View Post
    Respectfully, I disagree. A show doesn't need regular villains to be good; it just needs quality writing, decent characters and above average execution. The aforementioned MLP:FiM generally doesn't employ the use of big-bads except in the 2-part season openers and closers and they do just fine. (FTR, I don't count characters like Diamond Tiara, Gilda Griffin and Trixie as villains; they fall more into the general jerk/annoyance category as far as I'm concerned.)
    I agree, but I am just saying No Heart is awesome. Having some awesome villains while not necessary, wouldn't hurt. All I know in the old Care Bears cartoon the only characters that I liked and were somewhat interesting was Grumpy Bear and the villains. My Little Pony is a whole different thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbro View Post
    First, let me get this off my chest: it kinds of bugs me how in the wake of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, now whenever a new series based on an 80's toy product is announced, people start in with, "Will this be the next Friendship is Magic?", as if a phenomenon like FiM happens every day.
    I'm surprised you're taking that position. People like MLP:FIM because it's a good show. There are countless male-oriented shows that are liked the same amount. The only reason it was treated any differently was because it was based off of a franchise that was notorious for being childish, inane and overtly girly. Asking whether or not Care Bears will break that mold as well is hardly a bad question to ask. In the grand scheme of things, MLP:FIM is an unremarkable show. It has remarkable episodes, to be sure, but its quality is no less hit-or-miss than other shows. There are many shows that match, or even exceed, MLP:FIM's quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Huntsman View Post
    I'm surprised you're taking that position. People like MLP:FIM because it's a good show. There are countless male-oriented shows that are liked the same amount. The only reason it was treated any differently was because it was based off of a franchise that was notorious for being childish, inane and overtly girly. Asking whether or not Care Bears will break that mold as well is hardly a bad question to ask. In the grand scheme of things, MLP:FIM is an unremarkable show. It has remarkable episodes, to be sure, but its quality is no less hit-or-miss than other shows. There are many shows that match, or even exceed, MLP:FIM's quality.
    Yeah there have been others. Just not with the previous history of My Little Pony franchise, and in today's internet culture a large of what Brony came from. So MLP:FIM is the first cartoon for girls that had these crossover appeal, hell not even the first from Hasbro. I loved the old Jem cartoon and it had fans from all genders, though that is more for its action. And don't get me started on anime. Sailor Moon need I say more. There as some others to a lesser extint, Pretty Cure, Tokyo Mew Mew, none of them were as good as Sailor Moon but still okay. Anyway I am rambling, point being not only did they not have the MLP backage, but there was no Toonzone, 4 Chan, etc. for fans to have talkback threads and spread their love like today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Huntsman View Post
    I'm surprised you're taking that position. People like MLP:FIM because it's a good show. There are countless male-oriented shows that are liked the same amount. The only reason it was treated any differently was because it was based off of a franchise that was notorious for being childish, inane and overtly girly. Asking whether or not Care Bears will break that mold as well is hardly a bad question to ask. In the grand scheme of things, MLP:FIM is an unremarkable show. It has remarkable episodes, to be sure, but its quality is no less hit-or-miss than other shows. There are many shows that match, or even exceed, MLP:FIM's quality.
    Oh, I definitely agree with that. My point is that just because 1 toyetic girl-based show managed to break the mold doesn't mean that every other toyetic show after it is going to do the same, and while it would be nice if they did manage to deliver something that works on more than one level and become something that more than just its' intended audience can enjoy, we shouldn't come into every show like this expecting the same level of quality that FiM has and for them all to attain that same level of notoriety. Lightning rarely strikes twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Huntsman View Post
    I saw four-or-five commercials during the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic season finale. I'm sorry, Hasbro, but I don't believe lightning is going to strike twice. Perhaps they should have stuck with the same art style and animation as MLP:FIM, like those fan designs that were floating around for a while, instead of going with yet another 3D CGI show. It works for Transformers, but not so much for cuddly bears.
    Well, to be fair, I'm fairly certain The Hub is just airing it. It's an American Greetings property, like Strawberry Shortcake and The Twisted Whiskers show.

    But yeah, as someone who grew up with the DiC and Nelvana series and actually enjoyed Adventures In Care-A-Lot, I'm kind of disappointed. It reminds me of those direct-to-video CGI films they churned out that made me abandon the series in the first place.

    I think the most disappointing aspect is how they discarded Adventures' more stylized designs in favor of aping the card illustrations again. Even the Nelvana series had the good sense to try something more cartoon friendly, like in Food Facts and Fables. These just don't have any personality to them; they all look like boring clones.

    By the way, you wouldn't happen to know where I could find those fan designs, would you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGunheart View Post
    Well, to be fair, I'm fairly certain The Hub is just airing it. It's an American Greetings property, like Strawberry Shortcake and The Twisted Whiskers show.

    But yeah, as someone who grew up with the DiC and Nelvana series and actually enjoyed Adventures In Care-A-Lot, I'm kind of disappointed. It reminds me of those direct-to-video CGI films they churned out that made me abandon the series in the first place.

    I think the most disappointing aspect is how they discarded Adventures' more stylized designs in favor of aping the card illustrations again. Even the Nelvana series had the good sense to try something more cartoon friendly, like in Food Facts and Fables. These just don't have any personality to them; they all look like boring clones.

    By the way, you wouldn't happen to know where I could find those fan designs, would you?
    Agreed on all counts; the Nelvana series is still enjoyable to this day for me, and Adventures was a pretty solid effort. Both of those were cartoons first and foremost and took relative advantage of that. I'm really not sure where this new series is headed, but to me, the designs are a definite step backwards, and if the writing becomes as cloying as the Laugh-a-lot/Big Wish movies, I'm gonna be disappointed.

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    Just throwing out my 2 cents on this since I just saw the commercials;

    I grew up with the Care-Bears back when I was a kid and I remember that I was totally in love with these little things. I loved the original animated movies, the Dic and Nelvana (its Cookie Jar now isn't it?) series and for what its worth, I got a chuckle out of the Adventures in Care-a-Lot series even if I did find it a TINY bit bland and I didn't like how they focused a bit too much on five select bears instead of trying to include the HECK-TON of characters that were made for this franchise. Granted, the Nevela series did this as well but I digress.

    As for the new series, it is DEFINITELY going back to its roots on this, from making the bears look like clones again, the big chubby bodies and all those other things but what I'm surprised about is how... mediocre the animation looks. I LOVE the original card illustrations but I guess that's because even though they do look the same, there is a sense of softness, cuteness, and an overall sense that someone knew how to freaking draw and paint. That worked, and it worked in the DiC show as much as everyone hated the designs there and yes, the Nelvana series did do a good job by making them cartoony and giving them things such as clothing, hair, ect much like Adventures in Care-a-Lot did. Now, how the paintings from the freaking 80s can look better than the fully rendered new CGI models is beyond me but I guess what it all comes down to is how you're using it. I saw the new CGI movies back when they ran them constantly on Disney but seeing these new shots now really makes me kind of sad that they went this route, if only because CG, when done badly, makes character designs look really cheap and even dated for their time. This is one of the reasons I DO like 2D more than 3D AT TIMES. 3D seems to work better when you have people at the controls who know how to make character designs and animation work as well as textures. The problem is, with somethings its not going to work and with Care-Bears, they brought back that cold, rubber-texture feel to this and I never understood why people think this looks good on ANYTHING, especially about a show that's supposed to be about cuddly, bright colored bears. Maybe they should have gone with something simpler or at least had CGI animation and design that looks....NEW.

    Serisouly, I don't want to put my foot in my mouth but aside from Transformers, who's bot designs look AWESOME in CGI (not so much with the humans) CGI animation is starting to look really OLD, at least on the smaller screen. I guess I'm just tired of seeing the same textures, the same movements, and the real-world like environments even if they're supposed to be FAKE. Don't get me wrong, some small screen CGI series look AWESOME but what works for ONE series isn't going to work for EVERYTHING and I wish people would realize this and stop trying to force EVERYTHING that is animated either into CG or into Flash because for a lot of things, its limiting. I know people are SICK of hearing 'But will it be XX to MLP' but I think Care-Bears is a show that SHOULD have taken the MLP route in terms of just sticking to 2D. The animation, designs, and colors in the Cookie Jar series were great, even if I felt the way the stories were handled were REALLY heavy-handed. I don't know why they couldn't have just carried that over with some new designs. Is fully-drawn 2D animation REALLY that hard to come by now, especially when it comes to e/i programming?

    But as far as story telling goes, it seems that they are going back to the route of having the Care-Bears interact with kids which I believe it or not welcome. This was one of the things that I LIKED about the Care-Bears to begin with was how they did help kids so I never really got it when they never did this as much in the Nelvana series or in Adventures in Care-a-Lot. I am aware there was a movie or something within the series that had them interacting with more kids, but yeah...I didn't see it so I don't know. All I saw was the DVD cover that had some Strawberry Shortcake look-a-like kid on the cover and that's all.

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    the hub's facebook page has just posted a new picture of the new care bears series and that the series will preimere on june 2nd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbybop View Post
    the hub's facebook page has just posted a new picture of the new care bears series and that the series will preimere on june 2nd.
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    Neeeeh, again, its one of those things where I'm not feeling anything really new on the designs or anything. I mean, its the classic Care Bear designs that most of us grew up on but by the time, after seeing so much and much and much and MUCH CG after all these years, its starting to look OLD.

    Judging on one shot isn't far thought and I will admit that right now but wow...it just looks so...unspectacular but then again, I sometimes get the feeling that because things are in CG we're supposed to go gaga over them.

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    here's the first offical trailer for care bears welocme to care a lot.
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    Apparently the Hub is hoping that this show will have their own "bronies".


    ...yeah, I don't think they understand why FIM got so much attention.

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    Yeah, see...no one latched on to Strawberry Shortcake, and this looks like its spiritual successor. It doesn't have a well-known cartoonist attatched to it, it doesn't have stylish animation, and I have a suspicion that it won't have any villains. Now, if it were like FiM-ized version of the Nelvana series, I could see it getting some fans, but this looks like simply a TV version of those direct-to-video movies they released in the '90s and '00s.
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    The more I hear about this show, the less inclined I am to give it a chance. It's sounding incredibly... pre-school, and it doesn't look much better.
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    Try to understand that I don't mean any disrespect whatsoever to anyone's opinions, and that this is all just my own opinion. If anyone here is expecting the show to be like MLP:FiM, you're going to be disappointed. If anything, unlike that show (except when it is), this one will be more reflective of what the Care Bears franchise is all about (albeit brought to the present time). FiM simply can't decide whether it wants to be one thing or the other. It tries to please everyone by trying to be both, but all it really does is switch between the two things without any cohesion. With the new Care Bears series, after seeing commercials for it, it's clear to me that it knows what it wants to be and what it wants to do. This is all I could ever expect for any show, whether it's something like this upcoming show, or whether it's something like Transformers: Prime. With this in mind, I'm sure that this will be a great series, at least as far as the Care Bears franchise goes. Personally, I don't like it when a new installment or iteration of an established franchise tries to subvert itself in order to either attract "new" viewers, and/or please select groups of viewers, which means that I think it's possible to do both: make a new installment/iteration that brings back existing viewers while also attracting new viewers. However, it's even worse when a new installment/iteration tries to both play it straight and subvert itself at the same time, something I feel FiM does, but (at least at this point) which doesn't appear to be the case with the new Care Bears series, and for that reason, I'm certain that this new show will actually be watchable 100% of the time (again as far as the Care Bears franchise goes), unlike FiM which is only watchable 50% of the time.

    Again, I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I'm just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandouga View Post
    Again, I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I'm just saying.
    Yet as has been pointed out many times since MLP:FIM premiered in 2010, you're in the extreme minority and most people wouldn't like the show if you had your way and got what you wanted. I mean, you're saying that Care Bears will be a better show than My Little Pony because Care Bears is aiming low and not trying to exceed expectations, allowing itself to succumb to the reputation of its predecessors. My Little Pony may not have been perfect, but it aimed high. Ambition should always be praised over stagnation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Huntsman View Post
    Ambition should always be praised over stagnation.
    Even if that's the only thing a show (much less FiM) has going for it? Even if it comes at the cost of a show's creativity or even the viewers' intelligence? Even if it means that a show has to try to be something it's not? FiM may have had ambition, but ambition by itself isn't enough. Moreover, it really ended up being too ambitious, resulting in everything I said in my last post. Now, being ambitious isn't a bad thing, mind you, but sometimes, sticking with what works also works. I suppose it depends on each individual show, but FiM was clearly trying to be ambitious and stick with works, all at the same time, and again, I already mentioned the results earlier. Sometimes it (doing both at the same time) works, but other times it doesn't, and FiM simply was one of those times it doesn't work in the long run. Okay, so this new Care Bears series may be sticking with what works, but as a result, it also isn't trying to be something it's not, either.
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