G.I. Joe Renegades - Proper Episode Order

[GregX]

I think it's beyond obvious that the episodes are being aired out of order. No idea why, but after doing a Google search, I found this and I think this should be considered useful.

I'm not going to get into this like it's concrete, but it seems that these episodes were written and designed to air in a different order than what was aired.

In the data for each ep as seen on my DVR, the eps have episode numbers.

They are not airing in that order. But here is what I have. This data is usually pushed to guide data providers by the original company (aka HUB).

Descent 1 = 01
Descent 2 = 02
Rage = 03
Dreadnoks Rising = 04
The Package = 05
Return of the Arashikage 1 = 06
Return of the Arashikage 2 = 07
Busted = 08
Homecoming 1 = NO NUMBER ATTACHED TO EP ON DVR
Homecoming 2 = NO NUMBER ATTACHED TO EP ON DVR

Now, since they did air out of order in first run, and we are documenting it, the fans can fight for decades on what the true order is. Have at it .

Honestly, this makes sense. I suspect there might be at least one more episode that takes place before "Homecoming." Guess we'll find out soon.

EDIT: Also, doing some more research, the next two probably also take place before "Homecoming." Even though I defended it before, it looks like this explains Flint's behavior too.

[TheGunheart]

I thought I noticed something like this. The commercial for Return of the Arashikage showed a couple of scenes of Snake Eyes wearing a trenchcoat, which only showed up in Dreadnoks Rising.

This makes a heck of a lot of sense. It felt like the show had some sense of continuity, but the character development was all over the place.

[Monte]

homecoming was obviously pushed out early for christmas, and that messed up the order since they had to compensate for it. I can only guess that the stuio may have intended to premiere the series sooner so that homecoming would come around christmas, but things happened and they had to push back the premiere. It could even be the case that the show was meant to premiere along with the hub itself

and it does make more sense...

Like I mentioned in the last episode, I've been getting annoyed with how hard headed flint has been, and most of that comes from homecoming... frankly after homecoming I feel like Flint's opinion of duke should have taken some kind of shift

Also homecoming ended with Cobra Commander ordering a new smear campaign against the joes which we have heard nothing of

[Mandouga]

I can only guess that the stuio may have intended to premiere the series sooner so that homecoming would come around christmas, but things happened and they had to push back the premiere.

That sounds too coincidental to me. The first new episode they aired after the premiere was episode 5 ("The Package"). It's most likely that they decided to show whatever, figuring we wouldn't know the difference. I think that any show should be shown at least in production order, but when a show has a specific continuity, people are going to notice sooner or later. I don't know if it was Loesch's decision or not, but either way, it's definitely a step backwards. We'll be getting another new episode this week, but now we can't be sure whether or not it will be the proper 11th episode (I assuming "Homecoming" is episodes 9 and 10).

In all, this show seems to have averted being "screwed by the network" (TV Tropes) in the sense of constantly changing timeslots, etc, and yet I can't help that it may as well be the case when a show has its episodes shown in random (or otherwise the wrong) order. As for this show, I can only wonder how the writers feel about this...

[Ed Liu]

I have questions in to the network about the episode order, which hopefully will have a response this week along with some other stuff. Watch this space.

As for the episode order, I would put "Rage" right before "Homecoming," since "Rage" is the episode the Joes get the new civilian disguises they're wearing in "Homecoming." Both take place in wintertime as well. I would also probably put "Busted" earlier, although it's debatable how much earlier.

The solid continuity elements I can identify are the intro ("The Descent" is obviously the start), Breaker's introduction (all the episodes that refer to him have to come after "The Package") and Storm Shadow ("Homecoming" has to come after "Return of the Arasikage"). Other stuff is less easy to place in the timeline, like Snake Eyes trashing Flint's jeep at the start of "Dreadnoks Rising" (I think), their clothing, and the weather. Those MIGHT be continuity elements, or they might just be random things or mistakes.

I actually like the theory that the later premiere date for this show messed up the episode airing order. At least at the TF: Prime panel at San Diego Comic Con, they were giving the impression that the show was launching with the network. I know I was expecting both to premiere with the network and was a little surprised when they didn't.

[GregX]

I have questions in to the network about the episode order, which hopefully will have a response this week along with some other stuff. Watch this space.

As for the episode order, I would put "Rage" right before "Homecoming," since "Rage" is the episode the Joes get the new civilian disguises they're wearing in "Homecoming." Both take place in wintertime as well. I would also probably put "Busted" earlier, although it's debatable how much earlier.

The solid continuity elements I can identify are the intro ("The Descent" is obviously the start), Breaker's introduction (all the episodes that refer to him have to come after "The Package") and Storm Shadow ("Homecoming" has to come after "Return of the Arasikage"). Other stuff is less easy to place in the timeline, like Snake Eyes trashing Flint's jeep at the start of "Dreadnoks Rising" (I think), their clothing, and the weather. Those MIGHT be continuity elements, or they might just be random things or mistakes.

I actually like the theory that the later premiere date for this show messed up the episode airing order. At least at the TF: Prime panel at San Diego Comic Con, they were giving the impression that the show was launching with the network. I know I was expecting both to premiere with the network and was a little surprised when they didn't.

No, the order I posted is correct. "Rage" coming before "Dreadnok Rising" makes sense, since Flint said the last place the Joes were spotted was Chicago.

[Monte]

That sounds too coincidental to me. The first new episode they aired after the premiere was episode 5 ("The Package"). It's most likely that they decided to show whatever, figuring we wouldn't know the difference. I think that any show should be shown at least in production order, but when a show has a specific continuity, people are going to notice sooner or later. I don't know if it was Loesch's decision or not, but either way, it's definitely a step backwards. We'll be getting another new episode this week, but now we can't be sure whether or not it will be the proper 11th episode (I assuming "Homecoming" is episodes 9 and 10).

Homecoming was essentially a christmas episode, so it stands to reason the Hub would want to air it on christmas, and thus push the air date for that one episode ahead... And remember what happened in Homecoming, there was both references to Breaker and an appearance by storm shadow. As such, before homecoming could air that NEEDED to air both the Package and Return of the Arashikage, before they could air Homecoming to make sure the episode made sense.

Now if by "too coincidental", you are referring to the idea that they managed to squeeze out those necessary minimum of episodes out first before they aired homecoming, it could still just be a result of executive meddling... in truth the development team might have wanted to wait even longer before the premiere, but Hasbro went ahead and aired the episodes anyway for the sake of christmas... by airing the episodes early it could mean that later on we will get a few weeks of no new episodes as the development team finishes up the post production work, or it could result in the team running into some serious crunch time.

Furtharmore, if you exclude those episodes, Rage, Dreadnoks Rising, and Busted all did air in the order they were meant to. If we assume that the show was supposed to air with the network premiere, then Homecoming was originally meant to be the 11th and 12th episodes... assuming they planned to air them on the same day as a 2 parter. If correct, the next episode, Enemy of My Enemy, will actually be episode 9, and the episode after that will be episode 10, and then the episode after that will be 13 and the series will continue to air in proper order.

As for the episode order, I would put "Rage" right before "Homecoming," since "Rage" is the episode the Joes get the new civilian disguises they're wearing in "Homecoming." Both take place in wintertime as well. I would also probably put "Busted" earlier, although it's debatable how much earlier.

Well one thing you may have to take into account is location... i don't remember the locations being mentioned in all those episodes, but it is entirely possible that dreadnoks rising and Busted took place in winter aswell; they however took place in a state that was not as cold or does not get as much snow. As for the civilian clothing, it could be the clothing was only meant for the winter, and they still use their normal clothing in warmer weather... in other words in dreadnoks rising they still have the cilivan clothes, they're just stashed in the truck... ofcourse, i don't know much about weather in other parts of the country so it could be a continuity mistake

[Takao]

They have also done this with Dan Vs. and it is evident on their website's listings for episodes.

[TheVileOne]

The impression at Comic-Con and what I was told by Darryl DePriest basically said the show was supposed to premiere with The Hub.

There were also the TV schedules that had GI JOE: Renegades listed in October around the time the Hub started. So I think there is some logic in the idea that the broadcast delays changed the order around.

I think that explains why we probably saw the Storm Shadow episodes quicker than expected. Since Storm Shadow is such a popular and well known character they probably wanted to showcase him earlier or before the end of the year.

[GregX]

The impression at Comic-Con and what I was told by Darryl DePriest basically said the show was supposed to premiere with The Hub.

There were also the TV schedules that had GI JOE: Renegades listed in October around the time the Hub started. So I think there is some logic in the idea that the broadcast delays changed the order around.

I think that explains why we probably saw the Storm Shadow episodes quicker than expected. Since Storm Shadow is such a popular and well known character they probably wanted to showcase him earlier or before the end of the year.

I think it has more to do with the fact that they wanted to air "Homecoming" on Christmas, and they had to introduce Storm Shadow before that one aired.

[TheGunheart]

The character development also makes more sense with Rage coming after Descent. Tunnel Rat thinking they should just look after themselves and storming off feels rather out of character given what they've been through in later episodes.

It also wouldn't be the only callback to an earlier episode that showed up in Homecoming. The motorcycle Snake Eyes took at the end of Dreadnoks Rising featured prominently in Homecoming, despite only showing up a couple of times between the two episodes. Thus far, I'm pretty sure Busted was the only other one.

Come to think of it, didn't Snake Eyes also ditch the Jeep they stole from the end of Descent at the start of Rage?

I'm actually rather relieved by this news. I was loving the show, but something felt seriously off in terms of character development and continuity. I'm glad to know it's the fault of the network, instead of the show itself.

[GregX]

Looks like wikipedia has been updated with the correct order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gades_episodes

And I hear that Teletoon in Canada is also playing them in this order. Well, that settles that.

[AlgeaX]

Just finished watching all the eps in the corrected order, from Descent to Busted, and it does flow a lot better. Flint's behavior in particular feels more natural if you assume everything we've seen so far takes place before Homecoming.

[GregX]

Straight from the producers' mouths, here is the proper episode order:

Well, I gotta hand it to the Renegades guys… I was certainly not expecting an answer this detailed from the question I submitted for the bonus Q & A in regards to episode order. This comes straight from the “Horse’s Mouth”, in other words, Michael Vogel, VP of Development for Hasbro Studios:

Q: As much as I love the series, several events in the G.I. Joe: Renegades series have made it clear that the episodes are airing out of chronological order. Can you please reveal what the episode order is supposed to be, and if there is a DVD release, will it feature the episodes in their intended order?

A: Well, first of all, the whole G.I.JOE RENEGADES team says “thank you” for the “thanks,” and that we really and truly appreciate the amazing fan feedback we’ve received thusfar. We are also kind of thrilled that you were watching closely enough to figure out that our episodes were aired a little out of order.

There were several factors that contributed to the “not quite the way we intended,” most of them too boring to get into here. But, yes., the DVD release will have the episodes in their proper chronological order.

And that order is as follows:

The Descent Pt. 1
The Descent Pt. 2
Rage
Dreadnoks Rising
The Package
Return of the Arashikage Pt. 1
Return of the Arashikage Pt. 2
Busted
The Enemy of My Enemy
Firefight
Homecoming Pt. 1
Homecoming Pt. 2, and so on…
In a nutshell, we premiered a little later in the year than we originally planned to, but still wanted to get the Xmas-themed episodes on-air BEFORE the holidays. In the future, the Hub will rerun the episodes in their original order.

Awesome. A huge thanks to the Hasbro PR guys, and especially to Mike Vogel for taking time out of his very busy day to write such a detailed and informative response to our question! Great info!

http://generalsjoes.com/2011/02/07/g...rder-revealed/

[suss2it]

Glad that's been settled. Hopefully their wont be any more out of air episodes, because while this show is episodic it's also very serial as well.

[Storm Eagle]

Looks like wikipedia has been updated with the correct order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gades_episodes

And I hear that Teletoon in Canada is also playing them in this order. Well, that settles that.

If they ever had them in the proper chronological order on wikipedia, they're now listed in premiere order.

I could have sworn I saw them properly listed in this order though, per the list you showed us in the link in your last post:

10. Fire Fight
11. White Out
12. Homecoming, Part One
13. Homecoming, Part Two
14. Knockoffs
15. Brothers of Light

When I learned that they weren't premiering the episodes in the right order, I only recorded future episodes, but held off on watching them until the order in which the rest of the episodes premiered was back on track. It doesn't seem like the rest will premiere out of order though, so maybe everything's okay now.

[suss2it]

If they ever had them in the proper chronological order on wikipedia, they're now listed in premiere order.

I could have sworn I saw them properly listed in this order though, per the list you showed us in the link in your last post:

10. Fire Fight
11. White Out
12. Homecoming, Part One
13. Homecoming, Part Two
14. Knockoffs
15. Brothers of Light

When I learned that they weren't premiering the episodes in the right order, I only recorded future episodes, but held off on watching them until the order in which the rest of the episodes premiered was back on track. It doesn't seem like the rest will premiere out of order though, so maybe everything's okay now.

Everything should be in order now, they only aired them out of order to coincide with Christmas.

iTunes has it ordered in production order, and not by air date.

[Lord Mawdryn]

I remember being initially ticked off when my VOD service had "The Rage" immediately after "The Descent, part 2." I thought they were airing them out of order!
:anime:

But after seeing the first five episodes as intended, I can see how everything flows together much better than from the original broadcast schedule...

[Lighthammer]

Everything should be in order now, they only aired them out of order to coincide with Christmas.

iTunes has it ordered in production order, and not by air date.

/rage

Wiki politics annoy me. I'm tempted to fix it but I dont feel like fighting with with the Wiki community over the problem. Its a migraine I don't like dealing with.

I left a note on the discussion feedback asking if someone would mind fixing it. I'll let those interested in maintaining that article fight it out how to "properly" do it.